I always struggle with binary, this or that, questions. Two choices only, you pick. What I actually want is to be in the mix almost every year, making a deep run regularly, and winning it all on occasion. Maybe miss the playoffs once every 5 or 6 years. More or less the Ravens experience, with a few fewer early playoff losses to teams you are better than. And in those odd years we miss the playoffs we're actually atrocious, and get a superstar in the draft. Something like that would do nicely. I'm not greedy. We don't need to win the SB EVERY year. But, if that's what the simulator spits out, then I will accept it.
I'd much rather have 10 playoffs and no Superbowls. Every single time. Always better to be playing in January than not, because at least there is a chance. There is never a guarantee to play in the Owl, for any team, but one thing IS guaranteed for the teams that don't make the playoffs: All hope is lost.
For the second question, give me the top pick, as long as that doesn't mean that the Seahawks were the worst team, and as long as no one bitches if we don't select a QB. Having the pick of the top talent in the draft is invaluable.
No simulation, sorry. I already escaped the Sky Daddy myth. Not interested in another.
Re: the Mariners, while I am not specifically a Mariners fan, I've been a baseball fan for most of my life and even if you look at the overall results, the Mariners are still not the worst franchise in sports. Just in baseball, you have the Colorado Rockies, who are completely directionless, with one of the worst owners in sports, and have almost as bad an overall record as the Mariners. The Chicago White Sox had the worst record in modern baseball history (since 1900) last year, and have terrible ownership trying to extort a new stadium from the city of Chicago, although Jerry Reinsdorf is finally going to sell the team over the next few years. The Athletics also have horrible ownership (notice a theme here?) and have turned into nomads trying to extract as much money out of cities and fans as they can. There are also terrible owners in Miami and Tampa Bay as well. So the Mariners, while the results haven't shown it, don't have THAT BAD of an ownership situation as these other clubs, and therefore really aren't the worst baseball franchise, let alone all of sports.
Anyone remember, just off the top of your heads, who was the first overall draft pick in 2000, the year Tom Brady was drafted? I'll go with the extra Cap room.
Had to look it up. Courtney Brown. And I get your point for sure. But I think I'd flip the other way and take my shot 1st overall, at least how we've been drafting the last few years. If it's a good QB year you get the pick of the litter. Just pick Manning over Leaf.
$25M in cap space is definitely useful building the overall team, but until we know we have a long term answer at the most important position, I'll take the #1 overall pick, and pray that it's a strong QB year.
Well I’m in the minority here. I don’t ever want the Seahawks win one Super Bowl and then spend 10 years imitating Cleveland.
I’ve lived through the MANY years when the Seahawks had ZERO chance of making the playoffs. It sucked. Because to me, football is about all the games and not just one at the end. Every season, 31 teams are disappointed. But the disappointment is so much higher for teams that never make the playoffs.
A playoff team has a chance to win each and every Sunday during the season. It wins more than loses and I care about that. It’s about being proud of a team that plays quality football. If they don’t with the Super Bowl? Well the ball isn’t round and it bounces funny. Stuff happens.
But if your team is stuck in first gear all season for a full decade? That’s tough to watch. Really tough.
I guess I enjoy the process that is the off season as well as training camp, the full season and then the playoffs. To me it’s not just about the very last game.
That’s my 2 cents. Your mileage will vary…by a lot. And that’s OK because we need a wide and varied fan base.
Why the money over guaranteed first rd pick? Two reasons. First. No guarantee you get it right. Plain and simple see the stinking Rick Mirer (yes not first but). If we knew it was Allen or maybe Daniels great. But what’s the chance. Second reason. We’ve said it and SJ you’ve written many times, championship team needs multiple studs. That extra money could get us a return of guys like Avril, ET, Sherman, KJ, BWagz and awesome stud Kam. Use the money to build that and likely get a winner over Allen/Daniels/Mahomes (also eventually that #1 will want a much bigger piece of the cap pie).
Depending on how you define "simulation," traditional religions with "creation dogma" seem to explicitly rest upon the concept of a crafted/produced reality that manifests according to a conceptual plan. Those entities/things in the world function according to the manifested conceptual plan. That sounds quite simulation-esque if considered from the perspective of one or more omnipotent creators. If humans coded or otherwise constructed a closed world in which autonomous creatures interacted, according to structure that was imposed upon them, it would also have elements of a simulation, especially if it was created to observe certain phenomena.
This is very banal and quite mediocre philosophizing on my part, but I still believe it reveals that any concept of creation as the origin of reality means our existence can be shoehorned into a broad understanding of the concept of a simulation
I think the results of the simulation question are very interesting. As it flies directly in the face of religion. If you believe in religion then you cannot fathom that we are living in a simulation (we totally are).
I picked the extra $25M for four years because it's a guaranteed advantage over the rest of the league. That advantage, combined with a little patience, would allow a capable GM to pick and choose which shots to take, rather than rolling the dice one time only.
Maybe it's just my limited human brain that can't function at a posthuman level, but I don't grasp the point of the simulation theory. What would our hyper-advanced ancestors be trying to learn from such a simulations? Surely they already know the true history of their evolution, so is this an ancient cultures sociology experiment or something? Let's say there is some question, or questions, that I can't comprehend that our posthuman ancestors are trying to find answers for. Why give us programs the ability to question our existence in such a way? If our coding allows for us to believe that our existence is fake, doesn't that undermine whatever purpose the simulations were created to serve? Unless their evolution were dependent upon the fact that we must be able to challenge our existence to drive us toward the technological advancements necessary to manifest the future that has already happened! oh, shit! It's all starting to make sense now!!!
Casual fans don’t track playoff wins, Pro Bowls, All Pros, or Walter Mitty Awards. But they know SB wins and remember them forever.
That said, if your team wins the Big Game, but nothing more for decades, opponent fans will taunt you. If your team never wins it, you’re taunted. Win big and win often is the only thing that brings respect/resentment.
Show me the Superbowl. Panthers have never had back to back winning seasons...that sucks. Show me the first pick, I'll gamble that I can make any pick in the draft vs only picking from what other teams will let walk out their doors. The cost benefits swing wildly depending on both success of picking a good player in either scenario. If we're living in a simulation, who created it and why? Who is monitoring the simulation? Is it to learn and teach, like a flight simulator? Is it a way to entertain, or to try decide something like Cynthia Frelunds simulations? Not sure about the simulator...maybe it's possible. Maybe it's just our brains making the best sense they can of the actual world we live in. Go Hawks!
I see your point. I chose the extra $25M in cap because we only got the 1st overall once and you just never know with draft picks.
Conversely, you could trade draft picks for a great player and have the extra cap space, plus the ability to keep (almost) every good player on the roster
That's a pretty wild stat about the Panthers. I was never a Cam Newton fan (although at times he was a phenomenal player) but I guess from that perspective I can understand why he was so beloved in Carolina...they went to playoffs in 4 of 5 years.
10 playoffs and guaranteed to see your hopes dashed sounds so miserable that I can't believe anyone chose it. If it was, "make the playoffs 10 years in a row and then no guarantees" I think all of us would choose that one. But with a 100% chance that we'd lose somewhere between the first round and the NFCCG; that's a decade of regular season competence that ends up like 31 other teams. I want Lombardi trophies.
And one #1 overall pick sounds nice, but not as nice as being able to add $25M in extra talent for 4 straight years. Maybe if a Burrow type prospect was there at the end of the college season, otherwise the pick is a gamble; the salary bonus is a certainty.
I feel like I will still be a Seahawks fan if we discover that we're all living in a simulation. But I would drop all sports fandom if it was revealed that the games were scripted.
I came here to say the exact same thing. I wouldn't trade the Super Bowl season for any outcome over that decade that ended with no trophies. Maybe someday it will change but I still always look back and say "at least we got that one, they'll never take that from us."
As for the Mariners - you're not talking out of your ass, Joe. I was just telling someone today that the M's are sneakily in the "most painful team to root for" competition, right up with more famous examples like the Brown, Bills, or Vikings.
I think the weirdest part of being an M's fan is that we've consistently had historically elite players to root for but it never comes to anything - Junior, A Rod, Big Unit, Ichiro, Edgar, Felix. Even current guys like Julio and Big Dumper are fun as hell and have a chance to be special. And yet they still always find a way to break your heart.
Didn't know who "Big Dumper" was but thought, maybe Cal Raleigh. He is. Hit 2 HR today, has 29 now ~ most by a Catcher before the All Star break ... EVER in MLB.
Yeah, they often enough have a lead in the later innings, then blow it. Still rooting.
I always struggle with binary, this or that, questions. Two choices only, you pick. What I actually want is to be in the mix almost every year, making a deep run regularly, and winning it all on occasion. Maybe miss the playoffs once every 5 or 6 years. More or less the Ravens experience, with a few fewer early playoff losses to teams you are better than. And in those odd years we miss the playoffs we're actually atrocious, and get a superstar in the draft. Something like that would do nicely. I'm not greedy. We don't need to win the SB EVERY year. But, if that's what the simulator spits out, then I will accept it.
If I discovered today that this was a simulation, woukd I be a Seahawk fan tomorrow? Why not, it is only entertainment.
I'd much rather have 10 playoffs and no Superbowls. Every single time. Always better to be playing in January than not, because at least there is a chance. There is never a guarantee to play in the Owl, for any team, but one thing IS guaranteed for the teams that don't make the playoffs: All hope is lost.
For the second question, give me the top pick, as long as that doesn't mean that the Seahawks were the worst team, and as long as no one bitches if we don't select a QB. Having the pick of the top talent in the draft is invaluable.
No simulation, sorry. I already escaped the Sky Daddy myth. Not interested in another.
I’m 70 and don’t know if I’ll be around for ten years. Plus, I’ve been a Red Sox fan for 64 years. Give me a Super Bowl any day.
Re: the Mariners, while I am not specifically a Mariners fan, I've been a baseball fan for most of my life and even if you look at the overall results, the Mariners are still not the worst franchise in sports. Just in baseball, you have the Colorado Rockies, who are completely directionless, with one of the worst owners in sports, and have almost as bad an overall record as the Mariners. The Chicago White Sox had the worst record in modern baseball history (since 1900) last year, and have terrible ownership trying to extort a new stadium from the city of Chicago, although Jerry Reinsdorf is finally going to sell the team over the next few years. The Athletics also have horrible ownership (notice a theme here?) and have turned into nomads trying to extract as much money out of cities and fans as they can. There are also terrible owners in Miami and Tampa Bay as well. So the Mariners, while the results haven't shown it, don't have THAT BAD of an ownership situation as these other clubs, and therefore really aren't the worst baseball franchise, let alone all of sports.
Anyone remember, just off the top of your heads, who was the first overall draft pick in 2000, the year Tom Brady was drafted? I'll go with the extra Cap room.
Had to look it up. Courtney Brown. And I get your point for sure. But I think I'd flip the other way and take my shot 1st overall, at least how we've been drafting the last few years. If it's a good QB year you get the pick of the litter. Just pick Manning over Leaf.
$25M in cap space is definitely useful building the overall team, but until we know we have a long term answer at the most important position, I'll take the #1 overall pick, and pray that it's a strong QB year.
Well I’m in the minority here. I don’t ever want the Seahawks win one Super Bowl and then spend 10 years imitating Cleveland.
I’ve lived through the MANY years when the Seahawks had ZERO chance of making the playoffs. It sucked. Because to me, football is about all the games and not just one at the end. Every season, 31 teams are disappointed. But the disappointment is so much higher for teams that never make the playoffs.
A playoff team has a chance to win each and every Sunday during the season. It wins more than loses and I care about that. It’s about being proud of a team that plays quality football. If they don’t with the Super Bowl? Well the ball isn’t round and it bounces funny. Stuff happens.
But if your team is stuck in first gear all season for a full decade? That’s tough to watch. Really tough.
I guess I enjoy the process that is the off season as well as training camp, the full season and then the playoffs. To me it’s not just about the very last game.
That’s my 2 cents. Your mileage will vary…by a lot. And that’s OK because we need a wide and varied fan base.
Go Hawks!
Well Said, Rusty.
It’s a legit perspective. It’s also true that no subsequent SB win will equal the thrill of the first one.
Why the money over guaranteed first rd pick? Two reasons. First. No guarantee you get it right. Plain and simple see the stinking Rick Mirer (yes not first but). If we knew it was Allen or maybe Daniels great. But what’s the chance. Second reason. We’ve said it and SJ you’ve written many times, championship team needs multiple studs. That extra money could get us a return of guys like Avril, ET, Sherman, KJ, BWagz and awesome stud Kam. Use the money to build that and likely get a winner over Allen/Daniels/Mahomes (also eventually that #1 will want a much bigger piece of the cap pie).
Depending on how you define "simulation," traditional religions with "creation dogma" seem to explicitly rest upon the concept of a crafted/produced reality that manifests according to a conceptual plan. Those entities/things in the world function according to the manifested conceptual plan. That sounds quite simulation-esque if considered from the perspective of one or more omnipotent creators. If humans coded or otherwise constructed a closed world in which autonomous creatures interacted, according to structure that was imposed upon them, it would also have elements of a simulation, especially if it was created to observe certain phenomena.
This is very banal and quite mediocre philosophizing on my part, but I still believe it reveals that any concept of creation as the origin of reality means our existence can be shoehorned into a broad understanding of the concept of a simulation
I think the results of the simulation question are very interesting. As it flies directly in the face of religion. If you believe in religion then you cannot fathom that we are living in a simulation (we totally are).
I'll take the Action Green pill, thanks
I picked the extra $25M for four years because it's a guaranteed advantage over the rest of the league. That advantage, combined with a little patience, would allow a capable GM to pick and choose which shots to take, rather than rolling the dice one time only.
Maybe it's just my limited human brain that can't function at a posthuman level, but I don't grasp the point of the simulation theory. What would our hyper-advanced ancestors be trying to learn from such a simulations? Surely they already know the true history of their evolution, so is this an ancient cultures sociology experiment or something? Let's say there is some question, or questions, that I can't comprehend that our posthuman ancestors are trying to find answers for. Why give us programs the ability to question our existence in such a way? If our coding allows for us to believe that our existence is fake, doesn't that undermine whatever purpose the simulations were created to serve? Unless their evolution were dependent upon the fact that we must be able to challenge our existence to drive us toward the technological advancements necessary to manifest the future that has already happened! oh, shit! It's all starting to make sense now!!!
I'll take the blue pill.
I think we already have seen what 1 Superbowl and 10 seasons of no playoffs feels like. Didn't we just experience that, or was it a simulation?
Why o why didn’t I take the blue pill?!
Super Bowl or bust!
Casual fans don’t track playoff wins, Pro Bowls, All Pros, or Walter Mitty Awards. But they know SB wins and remember them forever.
That said, if your team wins the Big Game, but nothing more for decades, opponent fans will taunt you. If your team never wins it, you’re taunted. Win big and win often is the only thing that brings respect/resentment.
Show me the Superbowl. Panthers have never had back to back winning seasons...that sucks. Show me the first pick, I'll gamble that I can make any pick in the draft vs only picking from what other teams will let walk out their doors. The cost benefits swing wildly depending on both success of picking a good player in either scenario. If we're living in a simulation, who created it and why? Who is monitoring the simulation? Is it to learn and teach, like a flight simulator? Is it a way to entertain, or to try decide something like Cynthia Frelunds simulations? Not sure about the simulator...maybe it's possible. Maybe it's just our brains making the best sense they can of the actual world we live in. Go Hawks!
I see your point. I chose the extra $25M in cap because we only got the 1st overall once and you just never know with draft picks.
Conversely, you could trade draft picks for a great player and have the extra cap space, plus the ability to keep (almost) every good player on the roster
That's a pretty wild stat about the Panthers. I was never a Cam Newton fan (although at times he was a phenomenal player) but I guess from that perspective I can understand why he was so beloved in Carolina...they went to playoffs in 4 of 5 years.
Not so sure he still beloved after the comments on his teammates this past year.
10 playoffs and guaranteed to see your hopes dashed sounds so miserable that I can't believe anyone chose it. If it was, "make the playoffs 10 years in a row and then no guarantees" I think all of us would choose that one. But with a 100% chance that we'd lose somewhere between the first round and the NFCCG; that's a decade of regular season competence that ends up like 31 other teams. I want Lombardi trophies.
And one #1 overall pick sounds nice, but not as nice as being able to add $25M in extra talent for 4 straight years. Maybe if a Burrow type prospect was there at the end of the college season, otherwise the pick is a gamble; the salary bonus is a certainty.
I feel like I will still be a Seahawks fan if we discover that we're all living in a simulation. But I would drop all sports fandom if it was revealed that the games were scripted.
I agree, making the playoffs and losing 10 years running is just mediocre. In fact, we’ve pretty much done that since 2015. SB or bust!
I came here to say the exact same thing. I wouldn't trade the Super Bowl season for any outcome over that decade that ended with no trophies. Maybe someday it will change but I still always look back and say "at least we got that one, they'll never take that from us."
As for the Mariners - you're not talking out of your ass, Joe. I was just telling someone today that the M's are sneakily in the "most painful team to root for" competition, right up with more famous examples like the Brown, Bills, or Vikings.
I think the weirdest part of being an M's fan is that we've consistently had historically elite players to root for but it never comes to anything - Junior, A Rod, Big Unit, Ichiro, Edgar, Felix. Even current guys like Julio and Big Dumper are fun as hell and have a chance to be special. And yet they still always find a way to break your heart.
Didn't know who "Big Dumper" was but thought, maybe Cal Raleigh. He is. Hit 2 HR today, has 29 now ~ most by a Catcher before the All Star break ... EVER in MLB.
Yeah, they often enough have a lead in the later innings, then blow it. Still rooting.