Buffalo traded up from #12 to #7 to get a guy who only completed 56% of his passes in college. Was Josh Allen your Will Levis in 2017?
Tanner McKee looked bad against a Washington team with a banged up secondary because he couldn't deal with the pass rush. He lacks mobility and the NFL is all about dealing with the pass rush. He's fallen way down my BBQ (Big Board of Quarterbacks).
BTW, the quarterback survivor concept is great and I'm having fun with it. Thanks.
I distinctly remember the Draft nick talking heads mercilessly excoriating the Bill's for drafting a QB from Wyoming in the first round and going off because Haskins wasn't drafted earlier.
A family friend was a pro scout and he complained that evaluating college QBs was difficult because you never knew if the draftee was a good college QB on a great team ( see Haskins , Barrett R. G. Griffin etal ) or a great QB on a bad team.
I don't quite understand the "old" label for a QB. Roger Staubach played after serving his obligation to the navy and was 26 or 27 when he went into the NFL. If you want a QB to play well on a rookie contract, maybe a guy who has a few years of life experience might be better adjusted or have the mental game down. Maybe not, but it doesn't seem like such a deal breaker as it might be for another position.
I think my only intention with acknowledging age is when teams say "Well, if he wasn't good at 18, and he wasn't good at 22, and he wasn't good at 24, then why will he start to become good at 26?" As opposed to maybe someone like Jalon Daniels, who was starting for Kansas at 17.
In Jaren Hall's case though, you're right. His circumstances were unique and age is not quite the same as maybe for me, Will Levis, who had a lot of chances and didn't show a lot of improvement quite yet.
Now, they can come out early. So, with most these “old” QBs, it’s legit to wonder why he didn’t declare for the 2022 draft where the QB class was weak. E.g., if Will Levis is such a great prospect, why not declare in 2022 and be the first WB taken? Unless he’s not such a great prospect.
Interesting that two years out from the 2021 draft, none of the guys taken are looking like obvious franchise QBs. Lawrence seems to be coming along. Zach Wilson was just cleared to play. Tre Lance didn't look good and is now out for the season. Fields may be improving, maybe. Mac Jones wasn't playing well and now he's out.
As I've been saying, a higher pick maximizes one's chances of getting a franchise QB but guarantees nothing. Lawrence is beginning to look like maybe he'll pan out. We'll see about Wilson. Color me skeptical about Lance, though I hope he succeeds. Fields too. Jones came in more ready to play but hasn't wowed anyone and doesn't have as many tools as the guys picked ahead of him.
Mac Jones looked pretty good last week, I must say. He could have more than people were giving him credit for. But then he got hurt. Lawrence definitely showing the stuff.
As a group I much prefer the underdogs. I was at one point taken in b y Richardson's sparkle but he has pretty much flamed out. There isn't anyone else in this group that I see and go YES he is a possibility.
When the Seahawks drafted Russell Wilson, they didn't draft — like you said — the next Drew Brees. When they scouted Mahomes and Allen, they weren't looking for the next anyone. That's why I have great hopes that the Hawks will draft a great QB this year.
(Even McGough, the only QB we drafted after Russ, outplayed his draft position by starting at the spring leagues).
Buffalo traded up from #12 to #7 to get a guy who only completed 56% of his passes in college. Was Josh Allen your Will Levis in 2017?
Tanner McKee looked bad against a Washington team with a banged up secondary because he couldn't deal with the pass rush. He lacks mobility and the NFL is all about dealing with the pass rush. He's fallen way down my BBQ (Big Board of Quarterbacks).
BTW, the quarterback survivor concept is great and I'm having fun with it. Thanks.
Thanks Dale!
I distinctly remember the Draft nick talking heads mercilessly excoriating the Bill's for drafting a QB from Wyoming in the first round and going off because Haskins wasn't drafted earlier.
A family friend was a pro scout and he complained that evaluating college QBs was difficult because you never knew if the draftee was a good college QB on a great team ( see Haskins , Barrett R. G. Griffin etal ) or a great QB on a bad team.
Great info as always SJ! Fun and creative game to get to know these prospects!
I don't quite understand the "old" label for a QB. Roger Staubach played after serving his obligation to the navy and was 26 or 27 when he went into the NFL. If you want a QB to play well on a rookie contract, maybe a guy who has a few years of life experience might be better adjusted or have the mental game down. Maybe not, but it doesn't seem like such a deal breaker as it might be for another position.
I think my only intention with acknowledging age is when teams say "Well, if he wasn't good at 18, and he wasn't good at 22, and he wasn't good at 24, then why will he start to become good at 26?" As opposed to maybe someone like Jalon Daniels, who was starting for Kansas at 17.
In Jaren Hall's case though, you're right. His circumstances were unique and age is not quite the same as maybe for me, Will Levis, who had a lot of chances and didn't show a lot of improvement quite yet.
Now, they can come out early. So, with most these “old” QBs, it’s legit to wonder why he didn’t declare for the 2022 draft where the QB class was weak. E.g., if Will Levis is such a great prospect, why not declare in 2022 and be the first WB taken? Unless he’s not such a great prospect.
Interesting that two years out from the 2021 draft, none of the guys taken are looking like obvious franchise QBs. Lawrence seems to be coming along. Zach Wilson was just cleared to play. Tre Lance didn't look good and is now out for the season. Fields may be improving, maybe. Mac Jones wasn't playing well and now he's out.
As I've been saying, a higher pick maximizes one's chances of getting a franchise QB but guarantees nothing. Lawrence is beginning to look like maybe he'll pan out. We'll see about Wilson. Color me skeptical about Lance, though I hope he succeeds. Fields too. Jones came in more ready to play but hasn't wowed anyone and doesn't have as many tools as the guys picked ahead of him.
Mac Jones looked pretty good last week, I must say. He could have more than people were giving him credit for. But then he got hurt. Lawrence definitely showing the stuff.
Didn't watch the game. Maybe I'll grab the replay. So much football, so little time.
I'm still putting all my chips on Zach Wilson.
As a group I much prefer the underdogs. I was at one point taken in b y Richardson's sparkle but he has pretty much flamed out. There isn't anyone else in this group that I see and go YES he is a possibility.
When the Seahawks drafted Russell Wilson, they didn't draft — like you said — the next Drew Brees. When they scouted Mahomes and Allen, they weren't looking for the next anyone. That's why I have great hopes that the Hawks will draft a great QB this year.
(Even McGough, the only QB we drafted after Russ, outplayed his draft position by starting at the spring leagues).
McGough looks nice!