Didn’t realize how bad Lynch is as a GM until reading several of your pieces on him recently. Fro afar, names like Bosa Warner Kittle blinded me from seeing his many mishaps
Is Lance a better prospect than Kaepernick was as a second round pick? I don't think so. Both are very good running QB's. Both of them have strong arms. Neither of them are either experienced nor have they shown in college excellent accuracy. Both of them might survive leaning on their running threat, but neither of them are likely to last longer than their legs.
With Kap, it was pretty clear that he could not throw the football. With Lance, nothing is very clear because of how little he has played. I agree that it is shocking they were viewed as vastly different prospects, Lance going top-3 and a team trading 3 firsts for him is unbelievable.
No one on the 49ers is allowed to use the word " bust " regarding Lance. He was a dual threat QB from a small school and played a week schedule. Another very good running back with a good arm playing QB. A long term QB project at best. That's the reason Garappolo was resigned ! The 49ers paid a kings ransom to draft Lance . Good luck. Duane Haskins 2.
Trey Lance will almost certainly have some big runs but our concern should be about Bosa against Cross and Samuel against a secondary of questionable tacklers.
Bosa presents a need for quick running back dump-offs but the combo of LB Werner and SS Hufanga makes that difficult. That's why we need to run outside with two tight-end sets and DK blocking down and jet sweeps with Eskridge. We've got to get Bosa and Werner running laterally. Will Dissly could be our MVP offensively for his blocking.
Defensively this is a scarey game because it requires assignment football and sure tackling. We've got a new scheme, an inexperienced secondary, and tackling has been a weakness. If Darrell Taylor can't set the end this is going to be a long day. The good news is that Smith doesn't seem inclined to panic, Mike Jackson is a good tackler, and the Brooks/Barton duo is better that I thought.
Your right. Taylor must hold the edge and the tackling has to improve. I counted 15 missed tackles last week. Too many guys trying for a kill shot tackle. Square up and wrap up, basic techniques.
Seattle has had pretty good fortune against the Niners the last few years. Seattle still has problems defensively against the run and the secondary is still on a learning curve. 49ers still have a good defense that will make it harder for Seattle on the road. Again Seattle is still the underdog (5 to 6 points) and is expected to lose after a poorly clock managed game by Denver pretty much assured Seattle's win (according the the bulk of the press)
So what can we expect. At this point it's anyone's guess.
I'll look at the glass half full. I think Seattle actually has the best offensive line they have had in years. Will this be a big test against SF. You bet it will. Don't forget, though Denver has a pretty good D Line and secondary.
KW3 will be there with Penny and I think we are going to have a big game rushing / backs in passing game. Seattle has some real potential at TE. Locket always has big games against SF. If Seattle can control the clock and take a lead I believe the defense may get some turnovers. Geno may be better than we think. We'll find out this week.
Seattle still has Johnson and Neal to fill in at Safety and I think they can both be competitive. Neal has had a few good games against SF when they had a better roster at RB and Johnson finally got his chance as a 2nd round bust and has looked good. Muse is back on the 53 and may actually help defensively in a 3-4 defense (according to his draft eval). Barton started playing in the second half the same way he did late last season when he replaced Wagner when he was hurt. He has not been on the injury report this week Seattle's young players are going to improve as the season goes on. I think camp and opportunities given to play have shown that so far for a small sample size. Nwosu (great add) will draw double teams and open up opportunities for Taylor and Mafe. I think pressure on lance will bring positives for Seattle.
Seattle may be expected to lose but I think there is chemistry with this team that will show up and make them a tougher out than the Swami's are predicting.
If Seattle wins they face Atlanta at home and Detroit on the road.
Spin the Roulette wheel and put your money on Blue.
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I expect Shanahan to use rookie QB Trey Lance, the same way QB Russ nickle-dime the Seahawks, throwing short easy passes to the right, moving the ball down field to the red zone. But if Lance continues to struggle moving the ball, after losing their first game, I wouldn't be surprised if we see the return of Jimmy G. to the field. This is an important early 'Divisional Game', that could decide which team makes it to the playoffs at the end of the season. Hopefully the Seahawks can make the necessary Defense adjustments to force Lance to throw deep, to give Seahawk secondary a chance to pick off a few of his passes
I will be 100% floored if Trey Lance is pulled from a game this early for performance reasons. Can't see that happening before October at the earliest.
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Shanahan will get crucified if he pulls Lance. Unless it's truly UGLY (capital letters UGLY -- you caught that, right) on Sunday. Then he'll be able to say that he was trying to protect the kid from a soul-obliterating, "you will be assimilated into the Borg" type loss of confidence. If he pulls Lance for any reason short of a massacre on the field, there will be hell to pay -- with the press, with fans. I think Shanny just has to take his lumps. At least for the first five or so games.
This is the reason why a lot of folks were shocked when they re-signed Jimmy. Maybe it will wind up looking smart when all's said and done, but I doubt it. To me, it seems about as well thought out as Uncle Vlad's decision to invade Ukraine.
If we can sort out the second half damp squibs, our offense will be fine. A lot to assume, but that’s two games in a row that Geno has sliced and diced a defense in the first half, and we are now adding KWIII to the mix. Get the ball out quick and nullify their pass rush.
Against this there is the potential improvement that might be shown by Lance in better conditions, against our young defense’s ability to gel after the first week. Their Oline, outside of Trent, looks terrible. I take our D to shut down Deebo and smother Ayiuk and whatever RBs they are forced to put back there.
The bookies are seldom wrong, so their +8.5 line must be based on something more than ‘the 49ers are supposed to be good and the Seahawks are supposed to be bad’. Maybe I have blinkers on, but I just don’t see it.
I too am surprised by the +8.5 line. I recognize my own bias as a Hawks fan too, but I don't see how you favor either team by more than 7 in this game. I'd also bet the under at 42.5 points. I've also never been particularly good at gambling.
I could definitely see it more the 49ers being overrated than anything else. People are going to struggle to let go of their belief in Shanahan and Lance for a couple more weeks at least.
Least of all, me -- apparently. On the road, I'm not surprised Vegas is favoring them by 8.5. I think more likely than not we lose ugly. Maybe two touchdowns ugly. Of course the casinos are just wanting to get half of the money on each side of the bet so the House can't lose. Just take their cut and laugh all the way to the bank, as my dad used to say.
Thanks for the analysis. That part of the game looks promising for us... if... well, if a lot of things, but for one, I think this is an opportunity for Darrell Taylor to make good on some of the preseason hype.
Aha. Hmmm. Well, I sort of agree with you. I didn't see how well he held the edge against Denver, but they certainly had their way with us for much of the time on the ground. That's quite a menu for one guy to have: pass rush, hold edge, drop back... Are we asking too much of him?
So you're saying the 49ers have an above average left tackle and Debo, and that's pretty much it? Cool! I hope you're going to post something like this on their defense too.
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One of my takes on the 49ers is the Shanahan's a genius and Lynch is a dunce. To his credit, though, he has managed some great draft picks. Kittle as an example. Trading up for Lance, however, has to be seen as malpractice. I'm not saying this with 20/20 hindsight. When I heard the Niners had made that move, I was shocked. More so than when I heard the Hawks had traded two first rounders for Adams.
In 2021, the consensus was that Lawrence was really special and Wilson was a notch down. Beyond those two, everyone saw a significant dropoff. There was this kid, Trey Lance, who might one day be great but it was obviously a high-risk move to take him. So maybe he'd go at #10, like Mahomes. To mortgage the future for a high risk prospect seemed stunning. Let's roll all the chips onto the board and spin the roulette wheel.
I don't expect the Hawks to win this game because, frankly, my original assessment wasn't too many miles off. I still think we stink. Not in the hapless, helpless way I'd thought before last week's performance. But despite the win, we're still honestly not that good. This time we'll be on the road against a great coach who has some very talented, albeit too-often injured, pieces.
I suspect the game plan will be to shield Lance from challenging passes and exploit our weakness against the run. We'll see the option. We'll see the play action run option that becomes a pass if someone is wide open before Trey crosses the line. Stuff like that. Plus San Francisco's very best defensive effort. Nick Bosa anyone? They know their season is on the line. Hope Lucas comes ready to play.
I could see this game going either way but I'd say our chances are less than 50/50. But then, hey, I'm a pessimist (apparently). I'm not generally pessimistic in life but this 2022 incarnation of the Seahawks seems to inspire me to great heights of pessimism.
I don’t think we really played all that well last week. Outgained by almost 200 yards, no red zone scores, two dropped INTs.
I saw a team energized by emotion and adrenaline play a strong first half, after which the QB reverted to form. We can’t count every week on recovering two fumbles at the 1 or on the other team racking up over a hundred penalty yards or on 17 points being good enough to win (not to mention no second half points) Or on having the DPOW every week or winning with a TOP of 26m.
Didn’t realize how bad Lynch is as a GM until reading several of your pieces on him recently. Fro afar, names like Bosa Warner Kittle blinded me from seeing his many mishaps
Is Lance a better prospect than Kaepernick was as a second round pick? I don't think so. Both are very good running QB's. Both of them have strong arms. Neither of them are either experienced nor have they shown in college excellent accuracy. Both of them might survive leaning on their running threat, but neither of them are likely to last longer than their legs.
With Kap, it was pretty clear that he could not throw the football. With Lance, nothing is very clear because of how little he has played. I agree that it is shocking they were viewed as vastly different prospects, Lance going top-3 and a team trading 3 firsts for him is unbelievable.
Kroft? Frokt? Forkt?
Oof, all bad!
No one on the 49ers is allowed to use the word " bust " regarding Lance. He was a dual threat QB from a small school and played a week schedule. Another very good running back with a good arm playing QB. A long term QB project at best. That's the reason Garappolo was resigned ! The 49ers paid a kings ransom to draft Lance . Good luck. Duane Haskins 2.
It's gonna be really challenging for them to hold back Garoppolo if they have a .500 or losing record through 5-6 games.
Hey Joe... check out this QB list.
https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/college-football-picks-predictions-odds-florida-vs-usf-leads-best-bets-in-week-3/
I don't think that's a QB list!
Trey Lance will almost certainly have some big runs but our concern should be about Bosa against Cross and Samuel against a secondary of questionable tacklers.
Bosa presents a need for quick running back dump-offs but the combo of LB Werner and SS Hufanga makes that difficult. That's why we need to run outside with two tight-end sets and DK blocking down and jet sweeps with Eskridge. We've got to get Bosa and Werner running laterally. Will Dissly could be our MVP offensively for his blocking.
Defensively this is a scarey game because it requires assignment football and sure tackling. We've got a new scheme, an inexperienced secondary, and tackling has been a weakness. If Darrell Taylor can't set the end this is going to be a long day. The good news is that Smith doesn't seem inclined to panic, Mike Jackson is a good tackler, and the Brooks/Barton duo is better that I thought.
100%, Dale. Need to have good games from the rookie tackles.
Your right. Taylor must hold the edge and the tackling has to improve. I counted 15 missed tackles last week. Too many guys trying for a kill shot tackle. Square up and wrap up, basic techniques.
Very true!
Seattle has had pretty good fortune against the Niners the last few years. Seattle still has problems defensively against the run and the secondary is still on a learning curve. 49ers still have a good defense that will make it harder for Seattle on the road. Again Seattle is still the underdog (5 to 6 points) and is expected to lose after a poorly clock managed game by Denver pretty much assured Seattle's win (according the the bulk of the press)
So what can we expect. At this point it's anyone's guess.
I'll look at the glass half full. I think Seattle actually has the best offensive line they have had in years. Will this be a big test against SF. You bet it will. Don't forget, though Denver has a pretty good D Line and secondary.
KW3 will be there with Penny and I think we are going to have a big game rushing / backs in passing game. Seattle has some real potential at TE. Locket always has big games against SF. If Seattle can control the clock and take a lead I believe the defense may get some turnovers. Geno may be better than we think. We'll find out this week.
Seattle still has Johnson and Neal to fill in at Safety and I think they can both be competitive. Neal has had a few good games against SF when they had a better roster at RB and Johnson finally got his chance as a 2nd round bust and has looked good. Muse is back on the 53 and may actually help defensively in a 3-4 defense (according to his draft eval). Barton started playing in the second half the same way he did late last season when he replaced Wagner when he was hurt. He has not been on the injury report this week Seattle's young players are going to improve as the season goes on. I think camp and opportunities given to play have shown that so far for a small sample size. Nwosu (great add) will draw double teams and open up opportunities for Taylor and Mafe. I think pressure on lance will bring positives for Seattle.
Seattle may be expected to lose but I think there is chemistry with this team that will show up and make them a tougher out than the Swami's are predicting.
If Seattle wins they face Atlanta at home and Detroit on the road.
Spin the Roulette wheel and put your money on Blue.
15 of their last 17! The Seahawks are in this game for sure.
I expect Shanahan to use rookie QB Trey Lance, the same way QB Russ nickle-dime the Seahawks, throwing short easy passes to the right, moving the ball down field to the red zone. But if Lance continues to struggle moving the ball, after losing their first game, I wouldn't be surprised if we see the return of Jimmy G. to the field. This is an important early 'Divisional Game', that could decide which team makes it to the playoffs at the end of the season. Hopefully the Seahawks can make the necessary Defense adjustments to force Lance to throw deep, to give Seahawk secondary a chance to pick off a few of his passes
I will be 100% floored if Trey Lance is pulled from a game this early for performance reasons. Can't see that happening before October at the earliest.
Shanahan will get crucified if he pulls Lance. Unless it's truly UGLY (capital letters UGLY -- you caught that, right) on Sunday. Then he'll be able to say that he was trying to protect the kid from a soul-obliterating, "you will be assimilated into the Borg" type loss of confidence. If he pulls Lance for any reason short of a massacre on the field, there will be hell to pay -- with the press, with fans. I think Shanny just has to take his lumps. At least for the first five or so games.
This is the reason why a lot of folks were shocked when they re-signed Jimmy. Maybe it will wind up looking smart when all's said and done, but I doubt it. To me, it seems about as well thought out as Uncle Vlad's decision to invade Ukraine.
If we can sort out the second half damp squibs, our offense will be fine. A lot to assume, but that’s two games in a row that Geno has sliced and diced a defense in the first half, and we are now adding KWIII to the mix. Get the ball out quick and nullify their pass rush.
Against this there is the potential improvement that might be shown by Lance in better conditions, against our young defense’s ability to gel after the first week. Their Oline, outside of Trent, looks terrible. I take our D to shut down Deebo and smother Ayiuk and whatever RBs they are forced to put back there.
The bookies are seldom wrong, so their +8.5 line must be based on something more than ‘the 49ers are supposed to be good and the Seahawks are supposed to be bad’. Maybe I have blinkers on, but I just don’t see it.
I think people betting on Trey Lance and not betting on Geno Smith may have something to do with that line.
I too am surprised by the +8.5 line. I recognize my own bias as a Hawks fan too, but I don't see how you favor either team by more than 7 in this game. I'd also bet the under at 42.5 points. I've also never been particularly good at gambling.
Big surprise to me, but I like the fuel that being a heavy road dog will give us
And yet the Niners are favoured in this game by 5 points last time I checked.
If the Seahawks get the same kind of effort as last week they will win again SF.
Pete has had Shanni’s number and I am expecting a win on Sunday.
Even worse, -8.5
SF is definitely overrated by the pundits and no one is taking the Seahawks seriously it would appear.
I could definitely see it more the 49ers being overrated than anything else. People are going to struggle to let go of their belief in Shanahan and Lance for a couple more weeks at least.
Least of all, me -- apparently. On the road, I'm not surprised Vegas is favoring them by 8.5. I think more likely than not we lose ugly. Maybe two touchdowns ugly. Of course the casinos are just wanting to get half of the money on each side of the bet so the House can't lose. Just take their cut and laugh all the way to the bank, as my dad used to say.
Thanks for the analysis. That part of the game looks promising for us... if... well, if a lot of things, but for one, I think this is an opportunity for Darrell Taylor to make good on some of the preseason hype.
Taylor needs to hold the edge on run plays, something he didn't have to do last year. I would rather see him just pass rush for a few more games
Aha. Hmmm. Well, I sort of agree with you. I didn't see how well he held the edge against Denver, but they certainly had their way with us for much of the time on the ground. That's quite a menu for one guy to have: pass rush, hold edge, drop back... Are we asking too much of him?
You can never ask too much of the greats! So we will see which category Taylor falls into this year: Great, Very Good, Good, Underachieving.
Wow, that report should give all Seahawk fans hope. That and Pete Carroll and the Seahwaks recent record against the Niners.
In the column of very surprising the Niners opened as 9.5 favorites.
First chance I have been able to thank you for putting on Murph and Top Billing, he is funny and very accurate with his analysis.
I just can't fathom why ANYONE wouldn't be really concerned about the 49ers offense. It looks VERY BAD to me.
So you're saying the 49ers have an above average left tackle and Debo, and that's pretty much it? Cool! I hope you're going to post something like this on their defense too.
"I hope you're going to post something like this on their defense too." I will try my best! For anyone who reads this comment, please help spread the word on Seaside Joe and share with a Seahawks friend. Or create fake emails and sign up twice, three times, six times! We're on our way to doing great things, so all your help towards reaching those goals will help free up Seaside Joe for more bonus articles.
Happy to spread the word.
I agree with Ray. Talk to us about that defensive line. Our rookies are looking great so far but man . . .
One of my takes on the 49ers is the Shanahan's a genius and Lynch is a dunce. To his credit, though, he has managed some great draft picks. Kittle as an example. Trading up for Lance, however, has to be seen as malpractice. I'm not saying this with 20/20 hindsight. When I heard the Niners had made that move, I was shocked. More so than when I heard the Hawks had traded two first rounders for Adams.
In 2021, the consensus was that Lawrence was really special and Wilson was a notch down. Beyond those two, everyone saw a significant dropoff. There was this kid, Trey Lance, who might one day be great but it was obviously a high-risk move to take him. So maybe he'd go at #10, like Mahomes. To mortgage the future for a high risk prospect seemed stunning. Let's roll all the chips onto the board and spin the roulette wheel.
I don't expect the Hawks to win this game because, frankly, my original assessment wasn't too many miles off. I still think we stink. Not in the hapless, helpless way I'd thought before last week's performance. But despite the win, we're still honestly not that good. This time we'll be on the road against a great coach who has some very talented, albeit too-often injured, pieces.
I suspect the game plan will be to shield Lance from challenging passes and exploit our weakness against the run. We'll see the option. We'll see the play action run option that becomes a pass if someone is wide open before Trey crosses the line. Stuff like that. Plus San Francisco's very best defensive effort. Nick Bosa anyone? They know their season is on the line. Hope Lucas comes ready to play.
I could see this game going either way but I'd say our chances are less than 50/50. But then, hey, I'm a pessimist (apparently). I'm not generally pessimistic in life but this 2022 incarnation of the Seahawks seems to inspire me to great heights of pessimism.
In my opinion, the 49ers have way more bad draft decisions under Lynch than the lucky ones like Kittle.
Agree. Neither Kittle nor Shanahan are bargains.
I don’t think we really played all that well last week. Outgained by almost 200 yards, no red zone scores, two dropped INTs.
I saw a team energized by emotion and adrenaline play a strong first half, after which the QB reverted to form. We can’t count every week on recovering two fumbles at the 1 or on the other team racking up over a hundred penalty yards or on 17 points being good enough to win (not to mention no second half points) Or on having the DPOW every week or winning with a TOP of 26m.