To the extent there's a consensus, my sense of it from the comments that get posted from week to week is that a lot of us would be fine with a down season where we tank so badly we wind up with one of the top QBs in the draft. That's how I feel, so perhaps I'm projecting. It's hard to be objective -- perhaps impossible. But it's been my sense that a lot of fans share my sense that this would be the best realistic outcome for this year given that there's not a one in a million shot of making a deep playoff run.
I sense that there is a sizeable contingent that prioritizes wins and would prefer an 8-9 season to 2-15. My guess is that's anywhere from a quarter of fans to a third. Maybe more. It can be hard to be patient through a crappy season. But, again this is my sense, it seems to me a lot of us could find other things to get excited about (e.g. the development of Charles Cross) while maintaining focus on the importance and potential value of a high draft pick.
Of course only time will tell if Stroud or Young will be worth the draft capital it will likely take to land one of them. It's such a guessing game with QBs. Kerry Collins, Richard Todd, Jeff George, David Carr, Joey Harrington, Kelly Stouffer, Tim Couch, Dan McGwire, Todd Blackledge (taken before Kelly and Marino), Rick Mirer, Heath Shuler, Art Schlichter, JaMarcus Russell, Ryan Leaf are just a few who come to mind. Sure things whose careers never came to fruition. The Seahawks bear the scars (Mirer, McGwire, Stouffer after he really disappointed the Cards). I remember how some of these guys (Jeff George in particular) were really thought a sure thing.
I watched Geno play the 3 games when Russell was hurt. Geno shook the rust off in the first 2 games and looked really good the third game. Geno has been the backup QB to one of the greatest QBs. So he really hasn't had a fair chance to show what he has to offer. In my mind, this should be a competition between Geno and Drew to see who will be the QB for this season. After the season is over, then decide if they need to go draft a QB next Spring for the long haul.
The problems with Geno are his age and ceiling. He's a valuable backup and that should be okay. A backup is someone who has enough skill to start but can recognize when someone else is better and be okay with that situation. It's a tough job to be stay involved and be prepared to play on a moments notice without getting a lot of reps during the week. You can have a long career and make lots of money being a dependable backup.
I feel like a broken record at this point, but I'll reiterate: I want us to win as many games as possible next season and be an interesting, relevant team. Pete isn't tanking, and there's no reason to think this organization would lose just for draft position on what's a gamble at best. Baker represents the best possibility to win more games than we lose next year, and no matter what it will be INTERESTING, and I dare say, relevant.
I don't love Baker Mayfield and it's sheer coincidence that my Jeep is covered by Progressive. He's had one great season in his career and the rest are "meh." But I don't think that our QB next year is expected to be our future, and most of the comments of pushback seem to suggest this. Or "drama." The Browns just passed him over for a guy with 23 allegations of sexual misconduct. It's the 19M salary and Cleveland hoping for compensation that's keeping him from another team. The guy is probably what he appears to be: a 15th ranked or so NFL starter. But he was thought of as ascending and in the talk with the best guys at the position 2 years ago after narrowly losing to Mahomes in the playoffs. Ceiling is SO much higher than Geno or Lock, and floor is much, much higher. He's going to be plenty motivated in a contract year. I don't think we wind up with him but outside of those of us rooting for a tank season, I bet by week 8 we wish that we had.
Hope is a wonderful thing. I hope I win the lottery, twice. Hoping that Drew Lock, a 3 year catastrophy in Denver, becomes a better than 3rd rate QB in Seattle is asking a lot. He has absolutely no history of success as an NFL. starter. Get Mayfield, Minshew or Jimmy G. and give a talented team a chance for the playoffs. Tanking for a high draft pick is very risk. Half of rookie QBs are a bust.
I voted Geno, Minshew, 3rd day pick + cheap (I actually think the right price for Baker is a 3rd rounder and 6M).
Geno because Lock is bad, and Pete hates losing. If Lock keeps being bad but starts showing more upside, he may win, but now it's Geno job to lose.
Minshew because he's the only non-starter in the league I'm actually excited about.
I think that whoever ends up with Mayfield will be vindicated fairly soon, as long it's a non-dysfunctional franchise. Mayfield won a playoff game with the Browns. He almost won against the Chiefs. He's a great quarterback that would grow a lot under Carroll, Belichick, or any remaining great defensive-minded coach.
Hey my man - thank you for the 'Clipboard Jesus' mention...John Clayton-isms are very much welcomed. You got the same reaction out of me than JC got when I first heard it on on one of his radio 'segments'.
No Pete Carroll Seahawk team will tank it. Nevertheless, should they compete with a little less assurance about the QB choices they have to make at this point they will likely not be in the playoffs. Thus, being virtually guaranteed a draft pick lower than 16 also gives them the same likelihood of netting an upper echelon QB for the future.
The subsequent virtual guarantee is they will Not be paying an enormous contract to any QB for at least 4 years, unless Drew Lock kills it. Even if Geno has a strong season, his age and extended look-back will keep his contract from choking the team. Those funds, redirected elsewhere will help in the Hawks return to greatness.
I see nothing positive from bringing a “meh” QB for one year. You maybe win one or two more games but at the end of the season what have you got. Just the same situation we’re struggling with now. Be big boys and watch the new offense and defense develop, all the new players and see what happens. If it’s win at any price for you then you’re probably just a fair-weather fan anyway and you’ll probably drop out even with Mayfield. I don’t see any gain with him from what we have now.
To the extent there's a consensus, my sense of it from the comments that get posted from week to week is that a lot of us would be fine with a down season where we tank so badly we wind up with one of the top QBs in the draft. That's how I feel, so perhaps I'm projecting. It's hard to be objective -- perhaps impossible. But it's been my sense that a lot of fans share my sense that this would be the best realistic outcome for this year given that there's not a one in a million shot of making a deep playoff run.
I sense that there is a sizeable contingent that prioritizes wins and would prefer an 8-9 season to 2-15. My guess is that's anywhere from a quarter of fans to a third. Maybe more. It can be hard to be patient through a crappy season. But, again this is my sense, it seems to me a lot of us could find other things to get excited about (e.g. the development of Charles Cross) while maintaining focus on the importance and potential value of a high draft pick.
Of course only time will tell if Stroud or Young will be worth the draft capital it will likely take to land one of them. It's such a guessing game with QBs. Kerry Collins, Richard Todd, Jeff George, David Carr, Joey Harrington, Kelly Stouffer, Tim Couch, Dan McGwire, Todd Blackledge (taken before Kelly and Marino), Rick Mirer, Heath Shuler, Art Schlichter, JaMarcus Russell, Ryan Leaf are just a few who come to mind. Sure things whose careers never came to fruition. The Seahawks bear the scars (Mirer, McGwire, Stouffer after he really disappointed the Cards). I remember how some of these guys (Jeff George in particular) were really thought a sure thing.
I watched Geno play the 3 games when Russell was hurt. Geno shook the rust off in the first 2 games and looked really good the third game. Geno has been the backup QB to one of the greatest QBs. So he really hasn't had a fair chance to show what he has to offer. In my mind, this should be a competition between Geno and Drew to see who will be the QB for this season. After the season is over, then decide if they need to go draft a QB next Spring for the long haul.
The problems with Geno are his age and ceiling. He's a valuable backup and that should be okay. A backup is someone who has enough skill to start but can recognize when someone else is better and be okay with that situation. It's a tough job to be stay involved and be prepared to play on a moments notice without getting a lot of reps during the week. You can have a long career and make lots of money being a dependable backup.
I feel like a broken record at this point, but I'll reiterate: I want us to win as many games as possible next season and be an interesting, relevant team. Pete isn't tanking, and there's no reason to think this organization would lose just for draft position on what's a gamble at best. Baker represents the best possibility to win more games than we lose next year, and no matter what it will be INTERESTING, and I dare say, relevant.
I don't love Baker Mayfield and it's sheer coincidence that my Jeep is covered by Progressive. He's had one great season in his career and the rest are "meh." But I don't think that our QB next year is expected to be our future, and most of the comments of pushback seem to suggest this. Or "drama." The Browns just passed him over for a guy with 23 allegations of sexual misconduct. It's the 19M salary and Cleveland hoping for compensation that's keeping him from another team. The guy is probably what he appears to be: a 15th ranked or so NFL starter. But he was thought of as ascending and in the talk with the best guys at the position 2 years ago after narrowly losing to Mahomes in the playoffs. Ceiling is SO much higher than Geno or Lock, and floor is much, much higher. He's going to be plenty motivated in a contract year. I don't think we wind up with him but outside of those of us rooting for a tank season, I bet by week 8 we wish that we had.
Hope is a wonderful thing. I hope I win the lottery, twice. Hoping that Drew Lock, a 3 year catastrophy in Denver, becomes a better than 3rd rate QB in Seattle is asking a lot. He has absolutely no history of success as an NFL. starter. Get Mayfield, Minshew or Jimmy G. and give a talented team a chance for the playoffs. Tanking for a high draft pick is very risk. Half of rookie QBs are a bust.
I voted Geno, Minshew, 3rd day pick + cheap (I actually think the right price for Baker is a 3rd rounder and 6M).
Geno because Lock is bad, and Pete hates losing. If Lock keeps being bad but starts showing more upside, he may win, but now it's Geno job to lose.
Minshew because he's the only non-starter in the league I'm actually excited about.
I think that whoever ends up with Mayfield will be vindicated fairly soon, as long it's a non-dysfunctional franchise. Mayfield won a playoff game with the Browns. He almost won against the Chiefs. He's a great quarterback that would grow a lot under Carroll, Belichick, or any remaining great defensive-minded coach.
Hey my man - thank you for the 'Clipboard Jesus' mention...John Clayton-isms are very much welcomed. You got the same reaction out of me than JC got when I first heard it on on one of his radio 'segments'.
No Pete Carroll Seahawk team will tank it. Nevertheless, should they compete with a little less assurance about the QB choices they have to make at this point they will likely not be in the playoffs. Thus, being virtually guaranteed a draft pick lower than 16 also gives them the same likelihood of netting an upper echelon QB for the future.
The subsequent virtual guarantee is they will Not be paying an enormous contract to any QB for at least 4 years, unless Drew Lock kills it. Even if Geno has a strong season, his age and extended look-back will keep his contract from choking the team. Those funds, redirected elsewhere will help in the Hawks return to greatness.
I see nothing positive from bringing a “meh” QB for one year. You maybe win one or two more games but at the end of the season what have you got. Just the same situation we’re struggling with now. Be big boys and watch the new offense and defense develop, all the new players and see what happens. If it’s win at any price for you then you’re probably just a fair-weather fan anyway and you’ll probably drop out even with Mayfield. I don’t see any gain with him from what we have now.