Thank you Seaside Joe for discussing Charles Cross extension. In my opinion, that is the priority off season move for Seattle. It may be cheaper to extend Charles this year this year instead of waiting until next off season. Next should be Abe Lucas. I believe his health will be stable and securing solid tackles for a line that is weak on all 3 positions inside is a no brainer.
Not only is the iOl a liability but there is no depth at OT. We currently have little OL core.
With so much help needed on the offensive line, it may take 2 years to establish a solid unit that can actually produce real ground game.
I think Charles Cross is a "good" LT. He's fine. And while I usually hate to pay market high end price for a player who isn't elite/very good; we probably have to here. Our other options are all but nonexistant. Plus he could improve and the going rate will only go up.
I think (hope) we can pay him at a 'good' level. Anything in the $20-24M range would be fine, and wouldn't probably be in the top 10 by 2026/27. If he demands 'elite' money, that would be tough to choke down. The wildcard with Cross, as it is with the offense generally, is the question.......how much has having 3 OC's and o-line coaches in the past 3 years held him, and everyone else back. I think he might fit with Kubiak's system better than either of the last two, but that's an open question that won't get confirmed or debunked until we get into the late fall.
I still chuckle about the comment DK made during a press conference. Someone asked him about Charles' personality in the locker room. DK's answer was that he didn't have one. Having listened to a couple of Charles' press conferences, DK might be on to something.
I don’t believe Cross is elite and I would point to the number of hurries he had. However, that stated he is very good. I would pick up his fifth year option if I could not get a longer-term deal in place the thing I appreciate the most about him durability
I actually am very hopeful he takes the next step. Coming out of college he had very good feet but he would and continues to get bull rushed and he has no help from a guard that is competent. I also believe the use of a fFB will help a great deal
Old Cowboys GM Gil Brandt said the 3 most important positions on a team are… In order, 1) QB, 2) Blindside OT, and 3) Edge Rusher…. We have one of these (Cross at LT) Extend him at fair price and lock him in while finding the other two.
Let's lock him in and give him the same offensive coaching staff to work with for two or three years. If we want a consistently good O-line then we need some consistency from their leaders/teachers.
Been saying that for months now. You can’t succeed at OLine when you have 4 starters at RT and 3 at RG and 2 at C. Start of camp have them locked down and working on “communicating” with each other. Robbie T wasn’t huge but he and the line were a single unit. Worked together as a group.
I know this wasn’t your main point, Kenny, but it’s fascinating to me to see the fail rate on first round OL picks. First thought was that we got lucky landing on Cross as he was the third tackle selected. Second thought is that while I know the OL needs more investment this year, the groupthink on many Seahawks sites that the team must sign free agents and draft OL first (or second) round should be cautioned by there’s always risk. No pick is a no brainer, and it’s very easy to Monday morning quarterback on what should’ve been done.
Been stating this repeatedly. GM JS added similar. People state how bad we draft. I counter we don’t draft bad OLine we just don’t pay these high prices, except LT (Ala Brown few years back). Issue is so few quality out of college OLine players. Elites will always be elite. But most lack pro skills. They need to be taught. Coached. It’s unfortunate but between CBA preventing contact in camp and college “Madden ball” OLine players lack skills. Why I think KK and Coach Mac and JS brought in so many experienced offensive coaches with OLine backgrounds to teach the guys we’ve been drafting. It’s cheaper. Second OLine needs to have consistency of players more than likely any other position group. They must know how to “hand off” defenders.
Yes, please, let's not dither about this one. Pay the man. I did look at that list of failed tackles and wonder if any of them made sense as a Seahawk guard. Because now everybody will be looking for the next Becton.
Thank you Seaside Joe for discussing Charles Cross extension. In my opinion, that is the priority off season move for Seattle. It may be cheaper to extend Charles this year this year instead of waiting until next off season. Next should be Abe Lucas. I believe his health will be stable and securing solid tackles for a line that is weak on all 3 positions inside is a no brainer.
Not only is the iOl a liability but there is no depth at OT. We currently have little OL core.
With so much help needed on the offensive line, it may take 2 years to establish a solid unit that can actually produce real ground game.
I think Charles Cross is a "good" LT. He's fine. And while I usually hate to pay market high end price for a player who isn't elite/very good; we probably have to here. Our other options are all but nonexistant. Plus he could improve and the going rate will only go up.
Cross may not have peaked. I’d like to see how he does lining up either a decent LG.
I think (hope) we can pay him at a 'good' level. Anything in the $20-24M range would be fine, and wouldn't probably be in the top 10 by 2026/27. If he demands 'elite' money, that would be tough to choke down. The wildcard with Cross, as it is with the offense generally, is the question.......how much has having 3 OC's and o-line coaches in the past 3 years held him, and everyone else back. I think he might fit with Kubiak's system better than either of the last two, but that's an open question that won't get confirmed or debunked until we get into the late fall.
I still chuckle about the comment DK made during a press conference. Someone asked him about Charles' personality in the locker room. DK's answer was that he didn't have one. Having listened to a couple of Charles' press conferences, DK might be on to something.
I don’t believe Cross is elite and I would point to the number of hurries he had. However, that stated he is very good. I would pick up his fifth year option if I could not get a longer-term deal in place the thing I appreciate the most about him durability
He might be closer to elite in Kubiak’s system and with a competent guard next to him.
I actually am very hopeful he takes the next step. Coming out of college he had very good feet but he would and continues to get bull rushed and he has no help from a guard that is competent. I also believe the use of a fFB will help a great deal
Old Cowboys GM Gil Brandt said the 3 most important positions on a team are… In order, 1) QB, 2) Blindside OT, and 3) Edge Rusher…. We have one of these (Cross at LT) Extend him at fair price and lock him in while finding the other two.
Let's lock him in and give him the same offensive coaching staff to work with for two or three years. If we want a consistently good O-line then we need some consistency from their leaders/teachers.
Been saying that for months now. You can’t succeed at OLine when you have 4 starters at RT and 3 at RG and 2 at C. Start of camp have them locked down and working on “communicating” with each other. Robbie T wasn’t huge but he and the line were a single unit. Worked together as a group.
I know this wasn’t your main point, Kenny, but it’s fascinating to me to see the fail rate on first round OL picks. First thought was that we got lucky landing on Cross as he was the third tackle selected. Second thought is that while I know the OL needs more investment this year, the groupthink on many Seahawks sites that the team must sign free agents and draft OL first (or second) round should be cautioned by there’s always risk. No pick is a no brainer, and it’s very easy to Monday morning quarterback on what should’ve been done.
Been stating this repeatedly. GM JS added similar. People state how bad we draft. I counter we don’t draft bad OLine we just don’t pay these high prices, except LT (Ala Brown few years back). Issue is so few quality out of college OLine players. Elites will always be elite. But most lack pro skills. They need to be taught. Coached. It’s unfortunate but between CBA preventing contact in camp and college “Madden ball” OLine players lack skills. Why I think KK and Coach Mac and JS brought in so many experienced offensive coaches with OLine backgrounds to teach the guys we’ve been drafting. It’s cheaper. Second OLine needs to have consistency of players more than likely any other position group. They must know how to “hand off” defenders.
Yes, please, let's not dither about this one. Pay the man. I did look at that list of failed tackles and wonder if any of them made sense as a Seahawk guard. Because now everybody will be looking for the next Becton.
Most likely what they’ll get is the next Luke Joeckl.
Yes … we have to keep our investments in o line.
Everything is about cost but this does seem like a no brainer and a must.
Hawks have tons of space in 2026 and beyond (altho many post RW trade rookies to make decisions on).
I would also already be thinking about Lucas as well and have a plan.