DK Metcalf is the poster player for Talking.Head stupidity! He was downgraded because he " couldn't run the complete route tree." Really? You can teach a wide out the route tree, but you can't teach 6'4, 235 lbs , 4.3 40 with 2% body fat! In the immortal words of Forest Gump, " stupid is as stupid does".
Nailed it. Pete/John's draft performance is about average for a team consistently drafting in the latter half of every round. They are above average for impact UFDAs. Belichick is a fine coach but would he be the GOAT if Tom Brady had only played to his draft position? You can say the same for Pete with Russell Wilson but Pete also has a decade of college dominance on his resume. My only criticism of Pete/John is their record in high profile trades. Under the radar transactions have netted the likes of Quandre Diggs for a 5th or Chris Clemons and a 4th for Daryl Tapp but big strikes have resulted in Percy Harvin, Sheldon Richardson, Jimmy Graham, and Jamal Adams. Remove those trades and the huge capital expended and John looks like a genius.
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You never really get a true perspective how big/large these linemen stand, until I saw both Pete and John introducing Charles Cross at a Seahawk interview to the public. WOW... they both looked like Jr High School boyz standing on either side of Cross !! I remember reading many years ago that the really good top talented OL men (worth drafting) are few in number every year. They are the first to go at the top of the first round. In the past, its been rare for the Seahawks to draft that high in the first round. I'm happy with the two OLTackles the Seahawks recently drafted.
I appreciate your research. Will be the corner stone of 'O-line' foundation for years to come. Lots of confidence in his run blocking abilities. Let's do it!
Seattle could well have one of the better young tackle groups in the league with this years draft and Forsythe and Curhan from last year. I don't think Cross or Lucas will have any trouble run blocking and we already know they can pass block under Leach. Seattle has really tried to make the offensive line solid with the additions of Lewis, Jackson and Blythe along with the last two drafts. Haynes and Fuller I'm not sure about as far as depth. Haynes seems injury prone and Fuller just didn't play that well at center. He may be a better guard. I think Seattle may have found a diamond in the rough as far as a young center prospect. UDFA Shamarious Gilmore. He has played mostly guard (no center), some tackle out of Georgia State but seems to have the right makeup for a Shane Waldon / Dickerson style center. I was reading Corbin's Smith's take 3 of rookie training camp and he lists his short shuttle nearly the same as Coby Bryant's at 4.39 and his bench reps at 36. He's 302, 6'1", has over 4000 snaps in college, has demonstrated sound character and leadership qualities and good football IQ in his college career. I believe he started 51 games so he has been durable and was first team Sun Belt conference the last two years, but recognized all his years in his conference. Tyler Linderbaum the top center this year has 31 1/8" arms, Gilmore lists 32 and 1/2". He chose to use an extra year of eligibility so he is older coming into the league. Gilmore was not invited to the combine. I' be interested to see how he does in camp and pre-season.
Cross is the real deal at LT and I think the coaching staff will make him even better. I also think he could be a really good fit in Waldon's scheme. I think Seattle will add a guard in next years draft to solidify the line. It's been a long time since Seattle has had this promising of a young offensive front.
Ken, that was a great article. Your writing style is engaging and the content of the article was comprehensive and well thought out. It touched all bases necessary to get your point across to a Seahawk fanatic but was coherent enough to for a layman to comprehend. In this day and age where any Potato can construct a blog it is nice to read a well written feature that really gets to the meat of our beloved ‘Hawks!
The question in my mind has always been this: Since it’s so hard to find an LT after the early first round, why be in such a hurry to move on from Russell Okung, especially when his market didn’t materialize?* And shouldn’t there be a better Plan B than George Fant and Bradley F. Sowell? In the event, Russell almost tore up his knee running for his life, which is likely when he began to lose confidence in PCJS.
And a team *should* be able to build the rest of its OL in rounds 2-4. That’s not going to happen by drafting the likes of Justin Britt, Ethan Pocic, and Reese Odhiambo. It also isn’t going to happen when you give up on the one pick that worked out (Mark Glowinski). And let’s not get into passing on JJ Watt and Ryan Ramczyk in order to amass draft capital and get the steal that was Malik McDowell.
OK, sometimes drafts don’t work out. Doesn’t that mean that you should change the way you approach free agency, especially when the 2016-2017 drafts were intended to be foundational? One way or another, PCJS failed to build an offensive line when their franchise QB was in his in his mid-20s, and instead exposed him to serious injury.
*Okung took a lot of flack for agreeing to an incentive-based contract. My of my career has been in risk management, and my conclusion at the time was that he knew what he was doing and would wind up several million dollars ahead of what an agent would have gotten.
OFFENSIVE LINE quickly building TEAMWORK and CHEMISTRY . Weird thought of Ursua showing 5 offensive linemen VS ANY 5 Seahawks how to race across lake Washington in Hawaii Five-0 style dugouts. ( I really need to stop napping with the TV on ! )
DK Metcalf is the poster player for Talking.Head stupidity! He was downgraded because he " couldn't run the complete route tree." Really? You can teach a wide out the route tree, but you can't teach 6'4, 235 lbs , 4.3 40 with 2% body fat! In the immortal words of Forest Gump, " stupid is as stupid does".
Nailed it. Pete/John's draft performance is about average for a team consistently drafting in the latter half of every round. They are above average for impact UFDAs. Belichick is a fine coach but would he be the GOAT if Tom Brady had only played to his draft position? You can say the same for Pete with Russell Wilson but Pete also has a decade of college dominance on his resume. My only criticism of Pete/John is their record in high profile trades. Under the radar transactions have netted the likes of Quandre Diggs for a 5th or Chris Clemons and a 4th for Daryl Tapp but big strikes have resulted in Percy Harvin, Sheldon Richardson, Jimmy Graham, and Jamal Adams. Remove those trades and the huge capital expended and John looks like a genius.
You never really get a true perspective how big/large these linemen stand, until I saw both Pete and John introducing Charles Cross at a Seahawk interview to the public. WOW... they both looked like Jr High School boyz standing on either side of Cross !! I remember reading many years ago that the really good top talented OL men (worth drafting) are few in number every year. They are the first to go at the top of the first round. In the past, its been rare for the Seahawks to draft that high in the first round. I'm happy with the two OLTackles the Seahawks recently drafted.
I appreciate your research. Will be the corner stone of 'O-line' foundation for years to come. Lots of confidence in his run blocking abilities. Let's do it!
Absolutely do not let Charles near an ATV...
I never knew any of Cross's history. He would have practiced a lot of run blocking in his freshman year. Very interesting, thanks !
Seattle could well have one of the better young tackle groups in the league with this years draft and Forsythe and Curhan from last year. I don't think Cross or Lucas will have any trouble run blocking and we already know they can pass block under Leach. Seattle has really tried to make the offensive line solid with the additions of Lewis, Jackson and Blythe along with the last two drafts. Haynes and Fuller I'm not sure about as far as depth. Haynes seems injury prone and Fuller just didn't play that well at center. He may be a better guard. I think Seattle may have found a diamond in the rough as far as a young center prospect. UDFA Shamarious Gilmore. He has played mostly guard (no center), some tackle out of Georgia State but seems to have the right makeup for a Shane Waldon / Dickerson style center. I was reading Corbin's Smith's take 3 of rookie training camp and he lists his short shuttle nearly the same as Coby Bryant's at 4.39 and his bench reps at 36. He's 302, 6'1", has over 4000 snaps in college, has demonstrated sound character and leadership qualities and good football IQ in his college career. I believe he started 51 games so he has been durable and was first team Sun Belt conference the last two years, but recognized all his years in his conference. Tyler Linderbaum the top center this year has 31 1/8" arms, Gilmore lists 32 and 1/2". He chose to use an extra year of eligibility so he is older coming into the league. Gilmore was not invited to the combine. I' be interested to see how he does in camp and pre-season.
Cross is the real deal at LT and I think the coaching staff will make him even better. I also think he could be a really good fit in Waldon's scheme. I think Seattle will add a guard in next years draft to solidify the line. It's been a long time since Seattle has had this promising of a young offensive front.
Ken, that was a great article. Your writing style is engaging and the content of the article was comprehensive and well thought out. It touched all bases necessary to get your point across to a Seahawk fanatic but was coherent enough to for a layman to comprehend. In this day and age where any Potato can construct a blog it is nice to read a well written feature that really gets to the meat of our beloved ‘Hawks!
The question in my mind has always been this: Since it’s so hard to find an LT after the early first round, why be in such a hurry to move on from Russell Okung, especially when his market didn’t materialize?* And shouldn’t there be a better Plan B than George Fant and Bradley F. Sowell? In the event, Russell almost tore up his knee running for his life, which is likely when he began to lose confidence in PCJS.
And a team *should* be able to build the rest of its OL in rounds 2-4. That’s not going to happen by drafting the likes of Justin Britt, Ethan Pocic, and Reese Odhiambo. It also isn’t going to happen when you give up on the one pick that worked out (Mark Glowinski). And let’s not get into passing on JJ Watt and Ryan Ramczyk in order to amass draft capital and get the steal that was Malik McDowell.
OK, sometimes drafts don’t work out. Doesn’t that mean that you should change the way you approach free agency, especially when the 2016-2017 drafts were intended to be foundational? One way or another, PCJS failed to build an offensive line when their franchise QB was in his in his mid-20s, and instead exposed him to serious injury.
*Okung took a lot of flack for agreeing to an incentive-based contract. My of my career has been in risk management, and my conclusion at the time was that he knew what he was doing and would wind up several million dollars ahead of what an agent would have gotten.
OFFENSIVE LINE quickly building TEAMWORK and CHEMISTRY . Weird thought of Ursua showing 5 offensive linemen VS ANY 5 Seahawks how to race across lake Washington in Hawaii Five-0 style dugouts. ( I really need to stop napping with the TV on ! )