As for RB, there are many RBs in the 50-100 range that would fit us. Also, depending on the draft, Rico or Pollard or White of Bucs etc all possible. Rico less so, but bring pass blocking and receiving skills. The big name to me would be Connor from Cards. If cheap, even injury prone guys would work if we picked up the right 50-100 rookie.
I hadn’t seen the Thomas pick up. Not sure how my phone didn’t arrest me. Absolutely love this. Excellent news. And we still have Knight, who also has shown his elite speed. Two years ago we were all talking about how bad our LBs were, Taylor the worse of the lot. Now we’ve got not BWagz/KJ level, but perfect second level guys for our DLine. Side note, Parcells was correct. Can’t have enough.
Mike Singletary, not counting out Seahawk guys, was the guy I loved growing up. His play intensity was my internal intensity. Ham and Lambert near the end of their careers when I started following NFL (Hawks like Fredd Young, The real Michael Jackson, Rufus Porter, Butler and Schultz…)
Geno Smith cut by Raiders. Klint Kubiak not interested in giving him an opportunity even though the Raiders only save $8.5 million by cutting him. They will eat $18.5 million in dead cap this year and the cost for one year of stellar service was over $58 million - the largest cost for a QB only with a team for one year. I think back to a year ago when the Seahawks moved away from Geno in less than a heartbeat to go with Darnold. My gut told me Kubiak preferred Darnold over Geno to work with his system. I think what just happened makes that thought even more likely. Kubiak was never that high on Geno.
More telling. JS just pure genius these last few years. RW return. DK/Geno return. Coach Mac hire. Draft. FA pickups. In season trades. And all these years fails in NFL recognition.
Beat me to it. Considering they had the $$$ and that he said he looked forward to working with Geno, thought maybe he stay and help Mendoza. Wondering if being here and hearing things, and yes Darnold likely better in his system. But I’m hearing Mendoza is not to be thrown to the wolves. So now Raiders are back in the QB market.
I'm trusting in JS, but I am still in a bit of shock that he paid Kupp a $9mil roster bonus instead of cutting him and rolling that $9mil into offers for K9 or Shaheed at $4.5mil for 2yrs (or $3mil over 3yrs) on top of what we can offer now. It'll be a shame if K9 goes for $14mil and out best offer was $11 (coulda added $4.5mil if not for Kupp).
On other hand, if Walker (more so his agents) think he’s capable of making top 5 RB money, then like Kupp, this is “goodwill” by JS. If Danno is correct about “2 year” deal, and frankly why not since we got a Lombardi, and if Walker gets $17-20 elsewhere, that speaks volumes to potential FA and the Undrafted out there. We know that agents of the “Drake Thomas’s” know Seattle is high caliber and willing to let guys compete. Goodwill is used in business (and gets amortized over years) in deals. No way we’re paying Walker $20 mil. Jets just gave Hall the big 1 year bucks and over half their games he wasn’t used as a high end back he is (less than half his games did he even get 20 touches. Jets had 2 offensive players. Hall and Garrett Wilson and combined less than 25 touches per game). Anyway it’s a business but JS plays 3 dimensional chess and half the league plays checkers.
Yes sir, it was a surprise. I read somewhere that JS had an agreement to give Kupp 2 years, so he kept his word. This could be BS as I don’t recall where the source was for that claim. It’s shocking if you assume the same production as last year from Kupp, and add the likelihood of him missing more games to injury this year. SSJ’s argument for releasing Kupp was hard to dispute, which is why I wonder about an agreement for two years was real.
Funny. I was wondering if that was a handshake codicil to Kupp signing with us, because that's how it would make sense. Or there's stuff we can't see/evaluate. But doing right by guys, even if it means setting them free to cash in, has value. Both as a steward of money and as a human.
I never saw any real evidence of it, just heard someone suggest it before the Friday deadline came and went where all Kupp’s money vested for next year. But as you say, if JS did suggest he’s get two years if they got a ring, I’m sure JS would stick to his word. JS does business the right way.
Welcome back KenJoe & JJ - Thanks for your travel highlights, I hope you’ll share more!
Mundane question about compensatory picks which you’ve, appropriately, noted aren’t THAT high impact:
“If Hawks lose three $15 m aav and sign three, from $8 m to $1 m aav, could Hawks get comp picks?”
I associate comp picks with Pats dynasty years, they seemed to have a few extra picks every year.
And I understand that losing Klint won’t bring a pick because of the 2 yr minimum. 9ers had lots of comp picks due to coordinators leaving, especially minority double-up.
Upon recent reflection, I find myself comforted by the fact that the Seahawks are waiting a little bit. I'm seeing some good players being released to save money for teams that are at the edge of the cap or above. I wonder if there may be some solid players who wouldn't mind playing for a contender, while another team is paying them.
Agreed. No not advocating but Mike Evans, Cam Jordan, the other Bosa, Edmunds. Yes we need youth but if Cam Jordan wanted something like a DLaw contract, his attitude fits our hawks.
If we lose RS and K9 I would love to see a couple UW players get picked to fill the gaps. Boston and Coleman. Boston does return duties and Coleman has zero career fumbles. He's the only major program RB in the draft with ZERO fumbles according to PFF. Also had only one dropped pass too. Glad Thomas got paid, he's a good ball player. I still think he could get upgraded at some point. Can't wait to see how this all shakes out.
Something weird or cataclysmic would have to happen for Boston to drop to 32, and I can't imagine we'd move up. I think Coleman's "slow," and I don't care.And he's had a lot of carries in college. I still don't care. If he's available at 64, I'd take him, but most times I mention that elsewhere I get reminded how little I know (which is true). The fast kid from...Arkansas?...Washington, that's his name, has put the ball on the ground 10 times in 2 years. Don't see us going after that guy. Coleman's third on the PFF board, comes in at #78. If that means anything.
I’m 100% behind the Thomas signing. ILB is one position group we don’t have to worry about. Yesterday JS said it was news to him Shaheed had already determined he was leaving the Seahawks. He didn’t say he was remotely likely to sign with the Hawks, but he did say he expected to be given a shot at him after he gets some solid offers. But yeah, it will probably cross JS’s line in the sand and we’ll lose Shaheed. If I’m being honest, I think this hurts special teams more than it does the WR room. We can get a solid WR in round 3 and maybe bring in Nailor to get back together with Darnold.
I agree with you that K9 is not gone for sure, and even if he gets a 3 year $42 million dollar contract, what are we talking about for guaranteed money? I don’t expect the Hawks to go that high, but I think they could offer an incentives heavy contract with the ability to earn $3 million a year for performance and games played. I would say the hawks would pay him the money if they knew he was going to be healthy for 20 games every year. They just don’t trust him to stay healthy. I doubt he’s back with the hawks, but there’s a chance if he takes a heavily incentivized contract that protects the Hawks for injuries and rewards K9 for playing to his ability and staying healthy.
No news on D-Law retiring. Chenna is still there. Those two along with D Hall and the edge room is not in terrible position. If they pick up a one year vet edge and they could get by and maybe they supplement with a rookie edge this year in round one or two.
Jobe is the next critical piece. If he gets too expensive that will be a big loss. If they get Jobe inked, and sign a vet to a one year deal, a rookie draft pick in round 1 or 2 can complete the CB room.
I wonder whether the Hawks want to pay Shaheed as a returner while he wants receiver money.
Anyway, any player not back in the fold before Monday is probably gone. It’s not unheard of for a player in free agency to re-sign, but I bet that 90% of them move on.
As someone else pointed out on HawkBlogger, how much money do you want to spend on WR? JSN figures to get $40-million, Kupp's down for, what, $15-million? If Shaheed's getting another $15-million...we start to have overbalanced the position like the Bengals have. I mean, good for all the players getting paid in this process, and good luck to them. They only get one or two chances, and expecting a home town discount when the discount gets counted in millions of dollars seems unrealistic and unkind.
One of the more fun things to watch is Drake shooting the gap and just BLOWING shit up.
And Crosby's going to the Ravens for two first round picks. Apparently.
As for RB, there are many RBs in the 50-100 range that would fit us. Also, depending on the draft, Rico or Pollard or White of Bucs etc all possible. Rico less so, but bring pass blocking and receiving skills. The big name to me would be Connor from Cards. If cheap, even injury prone guys would work if we picked up the right 50-100 rookie.
I hadn’t seen the Thomas pick up. Not sure how my phone didn’t arrest me. Absolutely love this. Excellent news. And we still have Knight, who also has shown his elite speed. Two years ago we were all talking about how bad our LBs were, Taylor the worse of the lot. Now we’ve got not BWagz/KJ level, but perfect second level guys for our DLine. Side note, Parcells was correct. Can’t have enough.
My SB tax was us bringing in the bum Deion Branch. That’s ever more than your example. And he also returned “home” after his way too high of contract.
I remember Parcells and his love for fast LBers because they can play 2/3 of the time - defense and special teams
Mike Singletary, not counting out Seahawk guys, was the guy I loved growing up. His play intensity was my internal intensity. Ham and Lambert near the end of their careers when I started following NFL (Hawks like Fredd Young, The real Michael Jackson, Rufus Porter, Butler and Schultz…)
Geno Smith cut by Raiders. Klint Kubiak not interested in giving him an opportunity even though the Raiders only save $8.5 million by cutting him. They will eat $18.5 million in dead cap this year and the cost for one year of stellar service was over $58 million - the largest cost for a QB only with a team for one year. I think back to a year ago when the Seahawks moved away from Geno in less than a heartbeat to go with Darnold. My gut told me Kubiak preferred Darnold over Geno to work with his system. I think what just happened makes that thought even more likely. Kubiak was never that high on Geno.
More telling. JS just pure genius these last few years. RW return. DK/Geno return. Coach Mac hire. Draft. FA pickups. In season trades. And all these years fails in NFL recognition.
Big question now is who wants Geno on the vet minimum? The jets? 🤣
Beat me to it. Considering they had the $$$ and that he said he looked forward to working with Geno, thought maybe he stay and help Mendoza. Wondering if being here and hearing things, and yes Darnold likely better in his system. But I’m hearing Mendoza is not to be thrown to the wolves. So now Raiders are back in the QB market.
I'm trusting in JS, but I am still in a bit of shock that he paid Kupp a $9mil roster bonus instead of cutting him and rolling that $9mil into offers for K9 or Shaheed at $4.5mil for 2yrs (or $3mil over 3yrs) on top of what we can offer now. It'll be a shame if K9 goes for $14mil and out best offer was $11 (coulda added $4.5mil if not for Kupp).
On other hand, if Walker (more so his agents) think he’s capable of making top 5 RB money, then like Kupp, this is “goodwill” by JS. If Danno is correct about “2 year” deal, and frankly why not since we got a Lombardi, and if Walker gets $17-20 elsewhere, that speaks volumes to potential FA and the Undrafted out there. We know that agents of the “Drake Thomas’s” know Seattle is high caliber and willing to let guys compete. Goodwill is used in business (and gets amortized over years) in deals. No way we’re paying Walker $20 mil. Jets just gave Hall the big 1 year bucks and over half their games he wasn’t used as a high end back he is (less than half his games did he even get 20 touches. Jets had 2 offensive players. Hall and Garrett Wilson and combined less than 25 touches per game). Anyway it’s a business but JS plays 3 dimensional chess and half the league plays checkers.
Yes sir, it was a surprise. I read somewhere that JS had an agreement to give Kupp 2 years, so he kept his word. This could be BS as I don’t recall where the source was for that claim. It’s shocking if you assume the same production as last year from Kupp, and add the likelihood of him missing more games to injury this year. SSJ’s argument for releasing Kupp was hard to dispute, which is why I wonder about an agreement for two years was real.
Funny. I was wondering if that was a handshake codicil to Kupp signing with us, because that's how it would make sense. Or there's stuff we can't see/evaluate. But doing right by guys, even if it means setting them free to cash in, has value. Both as a steward of money and as a human.
I never saw any real evidence of it, just heard someone suggest it before the Friday deadline came and went where all Kupp’s money vested for next year. But as you say, if JS did suggest he’s get two years if they got a ring, I’m sure JS would stick to his word. JS does business the right way.
It seems really atypical for the way JS does business. Unless we've stumbled near to something like the reason. Doubtless we'll never know.
Off topic, but saw this today. Just some Dickson lovin’.
https://youtu.be/g6nLtnG8pL0?si=NTwM5zPlpGH0EumC
Noice ! Dickson !
Welcome back KenJoe & JJ - Thanks for your travel highlights, I hope you’ll share more!
Mundane question about compensatory picks which you’ve, appropriately, noted aren’t THAT high impact:
“If Hawks lose three $15 m aav and sign three, from $8 m to $1 m aav, could Hawks get comp picks?”
I associate comp picks with Pats dynasty years, they seemed to have a few extra picks every year.
And I understand that losing Klint won’t bring a pick because of the 2 yr minimum. 9ers had lots of comp picks due to coordinators leaving, especially minority double-up.
Upon recent reflection, I find myself comforted by the fact that the Seahawks are waiting a little bit. I'm seeing some good players being released to save money for teams that are at the edge of the cap or above. I wonder if there may be some solid players who wouldn't mind playing for a contender, while another team is paying them.
I think things will get very interesting
Agreed. No not advocating but Mike Evans, Cam Jordan, the other Bosa, Edmunds. Yes we need youth but if Cam Jordan wanted something like a DLaw contract, his attitude fits our hawks.
If we lose RS and K9 I would love to see a couple UW players get picked to fill the gaps. Boston and Coleman. Boston does return duties and Coleman has zero career fumbles. He's the only major program RB in the draft with ZERO fumbles according to PFF. Also had only one dropped pass too. Glad Thomas got paid, he's a good ball player. I still think he could get upgraded at some point. Can't wait to see how this all shakes out.
Something weird or cataclysmic would have to happen for Boston to drop to 32, and I can't imagine we'd move up. I think Coleman's "slow," and I don't care.And he's had a lot of carries in college. I still don't care. If he's available at 64, I'd take him, but most times I mention that elsewhere I get reminded how little I know (which is true). The fast kid from...Arkansas?...Washington, that's his name, has put the ball on the ground 10 times in 2 years. Don't see us going after that guy. Coleman's third on the PFF board, comes in at #78. If that means anything.
I love the point about Coleman. I didn't realize his ball security is that good. He's got a bruising NFL body. I'm all for it!
I’m 100% behind the Thomas signing. ILB is one position group we don’t have to worry about. Yesterday JS said it was news to him Shaheed had already determined he was leaving the Seahawks. He didn’t say he was remotely likely to sign with the Hawks, but he did say he expected to be given a shot at him after he gets some solid offers. But yeah, it will probably cross JS’s line in the sand and we’ll lose Shaheed. If I’m being honest, I think this hurts special teams more than it does the WR room. We can get a solid WR in round 3 and maybe bring in Nailor to get back together with Darnold.
I agree with you that K9 is not gone for sure, and even if he gets a 3 year $42 million dollar contract, what are we talking about for guaranteed money? I don’t expect the Hawks to go that high, but I think they could offer an incentives heavy contract with the ability to earn $3 million a year for performance and games played. I would say the hawks would pay him the money if they knew he was going to be healthy for 20 games every year. They just don’t trust him to stay healthy. I doubt he’s back with the hawks, but there’s a chance if he takes a heavily incentivized contract that protects the Hawks for injuries and rewards K9 for playing to his ability and staying healthy.
No news on D-Law retiring. Chenna is still there. Those two along with D Hall and the edge room is not in terrible position. If they pick up a one year vet edge and they could get by and maybe they supplement with a rookie edge this year in round one or two.
Jobe is the next critical piece. If he gets too expensive that will be a big loss. If they get Jobe inked, and sign a vet to a one year deal, a rookie draft pick in round 1 or 2 can complete the CB room.
The chess game has just begun for JS.
I wonder whether the Hawks want to pay Shaheed as a returner while he wants receiver money.
Anyway, any player not back in the fold before Monday is probably gone. It’s not unheard of for a player in free agency to re-sign, but I bet that 90% of them move on.
As someone else pointed out on HawkBlogger, how much money do you want to spend on WR? JSN figures to get $40-million, Kupp's down for, what, $15-million? If Shaheed's getting another $15-million...we start to have overbalanced the position like the Bengals have. I mean, good for all the players getting paid in this process, and good luck to them. They only get one or two chances, and expecting a home town discount when the discount gets counted in millions of dollars seems unrealistic and unkind.