Jul 18, 2022·edited Jul 18, 2022Liked by Seaside Joe
yeah, yeah, true; but this was a good article to keep short. Speculation on the Seahawks future of Cousins-like QB play and years of mediocrity is boring. The contract suggested is manageable, but not as nice as a rookie deal. To win it all in the next few years they need max cap space for veteran FA contracts as well as hitting on draft picks. Lock would have to prove a lot in the first couple months to get that commitment and I don't think just good should be good enough.
I see no reason why either Geno or Drew could not be top 15. The only thing that might hold Seattle back is two rookie tackles. Some people might think average isn't good but at tackle it is. It takes emense physical talent to put yourself in the middle of the pack with zero NFL exp .The defense is a work in progress there are capable players. Brooks and Taylor along with Adams and Diggs need to be Pro Bowlers. That could get Seattle to the promised land.
The Drew Lock mystery is about to unfold. Let the games begin 7/27/22. I keep looking at Lock's Collège stats in the SEC and then his performance with the Broncos.
From the mile high huddle Jan 2022 "Vic Fangio never seemed to develop the same bond with Lock as he did in only one season with Teddy." "others say it's because Fangio fits better with more seasoned veterans."
OC "Unfortunately, it would be stuffed at the rim with Shurmur's stubbornness to cater to Lock's talents.
Instead, Shurmur insisted that Lock conform his playing style to his system that is much more suited for a traditional pocket passer. Lock would attempt to adapt to the new system, but never developed the comfort level to be consistent. "
So your trying to perform in the NFL out of college with a head coach that doesn't believe in you and an offensive coordinator that apparently doesn't either at QB.
So what about this kid (42) from the Portland suburbs Shane Waldron. Is he a pocket passer type? From NBC Jan 2021 "The Rams were in the bottom tier in sacks allowed with Waldron as their passing-game coordinator. Goff has been known to do a number of play-action plays, which allows him to roll out of the pocket and avoid sacks."
So what is this offensive pedigree really about
"In a Shanahan-style offense, the scheme is built upon the stretch-bootleg combination. The running game revolves around the outside zone play (an off-tackle run with the offensive line working in unison to the side of the play call), with frontline blockers taking on defenders on their assigned tracks." Sounds like mobility up front, QB and RB. Not Mike Solari's brand of animal. Enter Andy Dickerson without Solari's interference along with the Rams old center and two very mobile Air Raid OT's. Add in Seattle's new RB room. Finally Pete Carroll and his positive air, not something Denver was known for in leadership team which is now fired. Denver's failure to develop any high round picks at QB. Seattle's work with Wilson as a rookie.
I don't think Lock ever got a fair shake in Denver through team leadership, support or scheme. If Seattle's D can get a few more turnovers and keep the game close in the early stages it might also allow Lock to generate some confidence. I think this kid has talent and is coming to Seattle as a castoff from Denver, and is damaged goods because of it. I think given Seattle's offensive scheme and coaching leadership he may well surprise. Waldron may have an advantage working with a guy who's desperately looking to be part of the solution and willing to buy in at the outset to be part of that scenario. Seattle will draft a QB next year with probably their 4th pick and maybe have an chance to develop a future starter on the bench if Lock is better than branded. The dots just don't connect from college to the pros. Coaching, scheme and team play, not just talent wins championships.
From Lock's college coach " “He understands how to move in and out of the call, maybe check and get the best look possible for the team to have success in that situation. So the mental side of it comes with preparation. He’s a guy that’s always liked football, and he likes not just the game of three hours, but the process leading up to that point of learning as much as he can learn about his opponent and how he can attack that to give the team an opportunity to be successful…No matter where we were on the field, we felt comfortable in opening up the playbook because of his arm strength, his knowledge of the game and his ability to make the right decision.”
There's cool stuff in the article; I thought it might go a different way, but since I"m not a contract guy, it's something to think about.
I believe Seattle's brain trust believes Drew can be good, will be good, and will also use a high selection to draft the franchise's next QB. Yes, all of it. It's not Drew's here, we're Russell Wilson good with no need to address the position long term. I think they got away from 'competing' at drafting QBs with Wilson at the helm, and I think they're unhappy they did that (David Greene does NOT count).
But for me, Drew Lock will be good if __________.
It's the RBs. I know the line is young, but if Penny and Walker are going well, with Dallas and Homer filling in where they're placed, I think Lock CAN be a top 10 QB--or close--and then I think PC is still not relying on Lock to be the all in all.
I think Pete wants a balanced team. So that's where that contract portion fits well for me.
It seems they want to (re) build a 3 part team of offense, defense, and special teams, and maybe not even in that order. They have a plan, and it's not to go 10-7.
You know what this team might miss that might just be their Achilles Heal?
Bobby. I think they're possible challenge (besides line play due to youth) will be stopping the run. Bobby was good at that. Maybe not now as much physically, but diagnosing it. Hope he provided good leadership and taught JB well.
Maybe bringing Jamaal down near the box discourages that, but then our CBs have to rock. And I don't know if they have that.
But, Lock? I'm excited about seeing what he has, I'd also like to be having the 'problem' of contract because he played within his potential and WAS good. That'd be great trouble to have.
He has the skill set, does he take the next step. I hear the Tennehill comp, but what about Derek Carr? Might be closer? There's not that much difference between those two.
Herbert's obviously a step ahead, but Trey Lance isn't yet.
2023 seahawks draft will be best edge rusher available, Best WR available, best DL/NT/LB available, and best center available.
With their 3rd round pick they take Grayson McCall..
I quit dreaming after that and cant tell you how the rest turns out...
yeah, yeah, true; but this was a good article to keep short. Speculation on the Seahawks future of Cousins-like QB play and years of mediocrity is boring. The contract suggested is manageable, but not as nice as a rookie deal. To win it all in the next few years they need max cap space for veteran FA contracts as well as hitting on draft picks. Lock would have to prove a lot in the first couple months to get that commitment and I don't think just good should be good enough.
I see no reason why either Geno or Drew could not be top 15. The only thing that might hold Seattle back is two rookie tackles. Some people might think average isn't good but at tackle it is. It takes emense physical talent to put yourself in the middle of the pack with zero NFL exp .The defense is a work in progress there are capable players. Brooks and Taylor along with Adams and Diggs need to be Pro Bowlers. That could get Seattle to the promised land.
The Drew Lock mystery is about to unfold. Let the games begin 7/27/22. I keep looking at Lock's Collège stats in the SEC and then his performance with the Broncos.
From the mile high huddle Jan 2022 "Vic Fangio never seemed to develop the same bond with Lock as he did in only one season with Teddy." "others say it's because Fangio fits better with more seasoned veterans."
OC "Unfortunately, it would be stuffed at the rim with Shurmur's stubbornness to cater to Lock's talents.
Instead, Shurmur insisted that Lock conform his playing style to his system that is much more suited for a traditional pocket passer. Lock would attempt to adapt to the new system, but never developed the comfort level to be consistent. "
So your trying to perform in the NFL out of college with a head coach that doesn't believe in you and an offensive coordinator that apparently doesn't either at QB.
So what about this kid (42) from the Portland suburbs Shane Waldron. Is he a pocket passer type? From NBC Jan 2021 "The Rams were in the bottom tier in sacks allowed with Waldron as their passing-game coordinator. Goff has been known to do a number of play-action plays, which allows him to roll out of the pocket and avoid sacks."
So what is this offensive pedigree really about
"In a Shanahan-style offense, the scheme is built upon the stretch-bootleg combination. The running game revolves around the outside zone play (an off-tackle run with the offensive line working in unison to the side of the play call), with frontline blockers taking on defenders on their assigned tracks." Sounds like mobility up front, QB and RB. Not Mike Solari's brand of animal. Enter Andy Dickerson without Solari's interference along with the Rams old center and two very mobile Air Raid OT's. Add in Seattle's new RB room. Finally Pete Carroll and his positive air, not something Denver was known for in leadership team which is now fired. Denver's failure to develop any high round picks at QB. Seattle's work with Wilson as a rookie.
I don't think Lock ever got a fair shake in Denver through team leadership, support or scheme. If Seattle's D can get a few more turnovers and keep the game close in the early stages it might also allow Lock to generate some confidence. I think this kid has talent and is coming to Seattle as a castoff from Denver, and is damaged goods because of it. I think given Seattle's offensive scheme and coaching leadership he may well surprise. Waldron may have an advantage working with a guy who's desperately looking to be part of the solution and willing to buy in at the outset to be part of that scenario. Seattle will draft a QB next year with probably their 4th pick and maybe have an chance to develop a future starter on the bench if Lock is better than branded. The dots just don't connect from college to the pros. Coaching, scheme and team play, not just talent wins championships.
From Lock's college coach " “He understands how to move in and out of the call, maybe check and get the best look possible for the team to have success in that situation. So the mental side of it comes with preparation. He’s a guy that’s always liked football, and he likes not just the game of three hours, but the process leading up to that point of learning as much as he can learn about his opponent and how he can attack that to give the team an opportunity to be successful…No matter where we were on the field, we felt comfortable in opening up the playbook because of his arm strength, his knowledge of the game and his ability to make the right decision.”
Barry Odom (via DenverBroncos.com
Again a disconnect from college to pro.
Let the Drew Lock mystery unfold.
There's cool stuff in the article; I thought it might go a different way, but since I"m not a contract guy, it's something to think about.
I believe Seattle's brain trust believes Drew can be good, will be good, and will also use a high selection to draft the franchise's next QB. Yes, all of it. It's not Drew's here, we're Russell Wilson good with no need to address the position long term. I think they got away from 'competing' at drafting QBs with Wilson at the helm, and I think they're unhappy they did that (David Greene does NOT count).
But for me, Drew Lock will be good if __________.
It's the RBs. I know the line is young, but if Penny and Walker are going well, with Dallas and Homer filling in where they're placed, I think Lock CAN be a top 10 QB--or close--and then I think PC is still not relying on Lock to be the all in all.
I think Pete wants a balanced team. So that's where that contract portion fits well for me.
It seems they want to (re) build a 3 part team of offense, defense, and special teams, and maybe not even in that order. They have a plan, and it's not to go 10-7.
You know what this team might miss that might just be their Achilles Heal?
Bobby. I think they're possible challenge (besides line play due to youth) will be stopping the run. Bobby was good at that. Maybe not now as much physically, but diagnosing it. Hope he provided good leadership and taught JB well.
Maybe bringing Jamaal down near the box discourages that, but then our CBs have to rock. And I don't know if they have that.
But, Lock? I'm excited about seeing what he has, I'd also like to be having the 'problem' of contract because he played within his potential and WAS good. That'd be great trouble to have.
He has the skill set, does he take the next step. I hear the Tennehill comp, but what about Derek Carr? Might be closer? There's not that much difference between those two.
Herbert's obviously a step ahead, but Trey Lance isn't yet.