Carroll mentioned "The G Process", meaning the patient Geno process of perfecting your game as #2. Waiting. Watching. Preparing. Obviously, the intricacies are not easy to identify, much less slay. Geno has carved out a whole new branch in Coaching. He'll have notes and notebooks. Lots of them. Look what the league does to rookie QBs and tell me they don't need help in bringing them into the process. Geno stated he wants to coach. I think he will, starting right here in Seattle. Win-Win. They just hired the best of the best QB Coach (Greg Olson?). By staying in Seattle they build the down-home Familyness Carroll extolls. Win-Win-Win. Next up is returning the rare attitude from our LOB guys. Paid Consultants? (Sherm/KJ/Marshawn/Bennet) Pete has an built an era. Now on to Legacies...
Like others, I voted yes in the poll but likely would not trade Lock anywhere (even if offered a kings ransom). The reason to listen to offers to me is to gain valuable information on other teams as to what players and types of players they are interested in. Even if you have no desire to trade a player now, the information obtained is valuable for future trade and draft decisions.
Personally, I hope Lock is willing to stick around in Seattle for several years as the backup and is rewarded with the opportunity to start in the future (3-6 years down the road). In the mean time I would much rather the hawks spend first round picks on other positions or even in trade for a blue chip dline player.
Just watching Andy Dalton play for yet another team competently (just as I wrote the word, he threw an interception...), makes me think that a strong arm brings you a long career (just look at Fitzpatrick). I think that even if Lock never makes it as a starter, he may have a long career like those two.
Holy what the what?? That pop quiz is bananas! I think we’re in a decent spot having both Geno and Drew and I’d like to keep them both. I would absolutely listen to offers for Drew though.
I agree with most of the comments here, I’d listen to offers because any good GM should, but I wouldn’t be in a hurry to get rid of Lock. He has obvious skills and isn’t really that old for a QB, despite several years of NFL experience.
It’s always seemed odd that many consider QB the toughest job in sports, but also expect a rookie to already be good at it and if they struggle we label them a bust. As already mentioned, many great QB’s sat for awhile learning before having productive careers. QBs that start as a rookie and perform well, like Russ did here, are actually pretty rare.
Lock knows that your opportunity to become a starter can be an injury away. Geno has the job but Lock feels, and perhaps was told, he could have that job one day if he was patient and continued to grow in the system. Lock is no fool. He's following (followed) the likes of Mariotta, Trubisky, Darnell, Mayfield and Wentz (all high first rounders), and understands that disfunctional organizations may not be your best bet in the NFL (Not For Long). Mariotta as you may know played under 3 different head coaches and systems his first 4 years in Tenn. The Browns, Jets and Chicago need no explination out of that time frame of organizational Fubar.
I was a Raider fan when Plunket showed up as a free agent (I lived in the Bay in the 60's and 70's). He was a castoff # 1 who spent 5 years with the Patriots and then spent 2 years with the 49er's (Pre Walsh) when both organizations were in disaray. He then came to the Raiders in 79 as a free agent (backup to Stabler) and got his first start in 1980 after Pastorini broke his leg. That trade with the Oilers sent Stabler to Houston and Dan to Oakland as the starting QB.
Jim had never played for a together organization, and when he did and got to work under Madden (good friend of Pete's in later years) he came into his own a year after he joined the Raiders when Pastorini broke his Leg in game 5 in 1980. By that time he had been with the organiztion for over a year as a backup.
I think Lock is making a career decision here for the longterm. I think Seattle is doing the same.
A guy by the name of Aaron Rodgers (24th pick 2005) sat behind Farve for 3 year years learning the system under some great coaches (and Farve).
I can see Lock hanging around for his shot and I think Seattle believes in him that much. Not just PC/JS but Waldron too. Who's to say he isn't Seattle's next HC.
Talent only goes so far in the NFL. Elway, Manning, Rogers, Farve, Montana, Mahomes, (Reid coached up both Farve and Patrick) Young (another rags to riches guy who waited his turn) were great talents that thrived with good development and systems that played to their strengths. When Indy went in the toilet and they cast off Manning, he found new life under a much better organiztion at that time, namely Denver.
With highly touted QB's and #1 picks more of a crap shoot than a sure thing, maybe Seattle's approach with Lock and visa versa, may provide a better long term opportunity to win in their eyes (PS/JS). Win Win is always a better outcome. It depends more on development instead of pre draft hype. Seattle had the # 5/20 overall pick and opted to stay the course they had in mind.
Lock was and still is liked by this organization. His work under Geno surely must be an inspiration to his own story, now and in the future.
I would also add a couple points. QBs are playing longer than ever under the new NFL rules for protecting quarterbacks. This has to shift some of Lock's thinking that he actually has time at 26 years old. Like you said, he doesn't need to force a starting job in a bad situation.
Secondly, he just got a pay raise and is making millions of dollars. Not much by NFL QB standards but a lot by normal person standards. That's not a bad gig while you are developing your talents in a place that you feel comfortable and like.
I also agree that I think he is at least for now the heir apparent. Geno's contract is more or less a 1 year deal.
IMHO, FWIW (and, as usual, EIEIO) it depends on what you meant by "listen". Looking at the other comments, I don't think we've all taken it the same way.
If you meant "won't hang up on them while they're talking", then I leave my vote at "yes". As a minimum, I want the cold, hard intel on what value my competition places on Lock. They don't have the insight I do about his capabilities, but I don't have the insight they do about their needs. My response would probably be something like "that's a very interesting offer. I'd have to think about it for a while." After a decent interval, I'd call back and ask for twice as much as I think Lock is worth, just to get a bracket. (If I were nervous that they'd accept that, I'd probably ask for four times as much.)
If you meant "would CONSIDER", then I'd still vote "yes", but for a different reason: if some relative of mine (that is, an Idiot) offered the sun, the moon, and the stars...well, then I'd start singing P.T. Barnum's praises ("there's the one that was born THAT minute") & let Lock go...recognizing that I might be in pain later this season (depending on what they offer in return), but that I also might be pretty happy down the road a little while further.
If you meant "would bite on the first offer that dropped into the water in front of me", then I'd change my vote to "no".
They liked Lock coming ouy of college. Big arm, good mobility. Like some QBs, the coaching, team and system matter! See HOF QB Jim Plunkett, absolute bust in NE. Sam Darnold could be next.
Holy crap, that Alabama team was basically an NFL team -- and had 3 NFL starters at QB?? Holy crap.
I'm like Paul G, voted yes but wish to change my mind, for two reasons:
1. you're only going to get a 5th rounder at best for a back-up QB (Gardner Minshew went for a conditional 6th rounder)
2. because even if we were offered some of the names on your list of QB's, I'd actually prefer to stay put with Drew Lock. Not that many quality options out there.
So, why trade a pretty good reliable 2nd option at QB that has a ton of upside, for a 5th rounder at best and an unknown at QB that's one twisted ankle away from having your season in his hands? Changing my vote. Just Say No
Trey Lance just netted a 4th. Worse stats and they have to pay way more the remainder of contract. So whos to say we couldn't get a 2nd or 3rd? On potential, age, arm etc I'd be more likely to trade Geno right now. Love everything he did last season and for the team but I keep thinking about the massive number of turnover worthy plays and how lucky he got last season.
Think Garoppalo was worth a 2nd rd pick when he was with the Pats.
My personal view is no one outside of Seattle views Lock as worth quasi Garoppalo, closer to a Minshew actually — and no gm is going to bet on Drew yet.
But even if they did: Would you trade him for a 3rd rounder? If you would, my questions would be:
- who would you bring to take over the team if we read that lazily throwing the ball around in warm ups tomorrow, Geno suffered a “non-contact injury” and is out for the season?
- how would that new back-up keep Seattle’s playoff hopes alive.
- what would you pay to get him
First time I’ve considered the idea of trading Geno instead of Lock, but I fear that’s moot with Pete and John.
It's hard to know if Pete/John would be comfortable starting Lock week 1, if they had to, but I think they (JS especially) are legitimately excited to have acquired him from Denver and retained him for this season. I believe that they believe he could be a better than average QB in the right system, and that perceived value would be the basis for any kind of trade scenario. I think you'd need a second round pick to get him from us, and perhaps more if John knows you are desperate.
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Voted yes because you should always at least listen to the offer, but i'd reject most bids that did come in. Lock is an ideal back-up for us right now, i definitely don't want to rely on Ahlers taking competitive NFL snaps!
So what is the value of a QB2? F*ck knows. If you're the 49ers it's hopefully at least one 1st. If you're the Jets it's maybe a pretzel. For us, if a team comes in with a 3rd + '25 5th/6th I'll have to think about it. But imma gonna hold off, let the season play out.
The longer you wait for Jones, the lower his price should go. But with Lock, it's really only going to trend up. Wait and see if a team suffers a QB1 injury, and their QB2 turns out to be crap. Try and make that 3rd + '25 Day 3 into a 3rd + '25 Day 2. Is that ultimately low for what could be a competent starting NFL QB? Yes, but no-one knows if Lock will be competent! To trust him to run our offence for a few games, sure, fine. But that's not worth much at all to another team, but a lot to us.
Long wandering comment this one, sorry. Lets wrap it up. Lock could easily do a Purdy/Foles/Keenum/Osweiler (remember Brock?! goddamn!). Get into a starting position (here or not), plays well for 4-5 games and can bank himself a solid contract. He could just as easily do a ... well... a Lock, and flame out under pressure. So listen to offers, but really know his best value to the 'Hawks is behind Geno, not in generating some middling Day2/3 picks.
If a team wanted Lock to start for them and if Lock wanted to go then don't hold him back. But at the same time we would need necessary compensation. There is a certain promising qb in the next draft that Mcalls to mind, I mean comes to mind.
Thinking about it, I’m changing my vote to “No”. If this offense is as good as it seems, I want a trusted backup who knows Waldron’s system to play in the event that Geno is injured for a couple of games.
Once again I had to laugh about the irony of two qbs on the same team that have last names which are German words with that much synergy...
Jim Anger and Dave War
Carroll mentioned "The G Process", meaning the patient Geno process of perfecting your game as #2. Waiting. Watching. Preparing. Obviously, the intricacies are not easy to identify, much less slay. Geno has carved out a whole new branch in Coaching. He'll have notes and notebooks. Lots of them. Look what the league does to rookie QBs and tell me they don't need help in bringing them into the process. Geno stated he wants to coach. I think he will, starting right here in Seattle. Win-Win. They just hired the best of the best QB Coach (Greg Olson?). By staying in Seattle they build the down-home Familyness Carroll extolls. Win-Win-Win. Next up is returning the rare attitude from our LOB guys. Paid Consultants? (Sherm/KJ/Marshawn/Bennet) Pete has an built an era. Now on to Legacies...
Couldn’t agree more….nice to have a team and leadership that exemplify a good attitude for the greater game of life!!
Love it….go HAWKS!!
Like others, I voted yes in the poll but likely would not trade Lock anywhere (even if offered a kings ransom). The reason to listen to offers to me is to gain valuable information on other teams as to what players and types of players they are interested in. Even if you have no desire to trade a player now, the information obtained is valuable for future trade and draft decisions.
Personally, I hope Lock is willing to stick around in Seattle for several years as the backup and is rewarded with the opportunity to start in the future (3-6 years down the road). In the mean time I would much rather the hawks spend first round picks on other positions or even in trade for a blue chip dline player.
Just watching Andy Dalton play for yet another team competently (just as I wrote the word, he threw an interception...), makes me think that a strong arm brings you a long career (just look at Fitzpatrick). I think that even if Lock never makes it as a starter, he may have a long career like those two.
Holy what the what?? That pop quiz is bananas! I think we’re in a decent spot having both Geno and Drew and I’d like to keep them both. I would absolutely listen to offers for Drew though.
I agree with most of the comments here, I’d listen to offers because any good GM should, but I wouldn’t be in a hurry to get rid of Lock. He has obvious skills and isn’t really that old for a QB, despite several years of NFL experience.
It’s always seemed odd that many consider QB the toughest job in sports, but also expect a rookie to already be good at it and if they struggle we label them a bust. As already mentioned, many great QB’s sat for awhile learning before having productive careers. QBs that start as a rookie and perform well, like Russ did here, are actually pretty rare.
Any manager would be willing to listen to any offer. Whether they’d entertain an offer is a different question.
And hey, I like Ahlers too.
I just ran across this acrticle from the Denver press concerning our boy Drew. From last Tuesday, https://predominantlyorange.com/posts/drew-lock-proving-denver-broncos-got-it-painfully-wrong.
Unless I am mistaken, I'm sure that Lock was offered some other backup rolls in the spring before Seattle resigned him. He opted to stay in Seattle because of PC and Waldron and the way the organization was run. From an another article earlier this week. https://www.si.com/nfl/seahawks/news/seattle-seahawks-drew-lock-resign-free-agency-geno-smith-pete-carroll-dk-metcalf
Lock knows that your opportunity to become a starter can be an injury away. Geno has the job but Lock feels, and perhaps was told, he could have that job one day if he was patient and continued to grow in the system. Lock is no fool. He's following (followed) the likes of Mariotta, Trubisky, Darnell, Mayfield and Wentz (all high first rounders), and understands that disfunctional organizations may not be your best bet in the NFL (Not For Long). Mariotta as you may know played under 3 different head coaches and systems his first 4 years in Tenn. The Browns, Jets and Chicago need no explination out of that time frame of organizational Fubar.
I was a Raider fan when Plunket showed up as a free agent (I lived in the Bay in the 60's and 70's). He was a castoff # 1 who spent 5 years with the Patriots and then spent 2 years with the 49er's (Pre Walsh) when both organizations were in disaray. He then came to the Raiders in 79 as a free agent (backup to Stabler) and got his first start in 1980 after Pastorini broke his leg. That trade with the Oilers sent Stabler to Houston and Dan to Oakland as the starting QB.
Jim had never played for a together organization, and when he did and got to work under Madden (good friend of Pete's in later years) he came into his own a year after he joined the Raiders when Pastorini broke his Leg in game 5 in 1980. By that time he had been with the organiztion for over a year as a backup.
I think Lock is making a career decision here for the longterm. I think Seattle is doing the same.
A guy by the name of Aaron Rodgers (24th pick 2005) sat behind Farve for 3 year years learning the system under some great coaches (and Farve).
I can see Lock hanging around for his shot and I think Seattle believes in him that much. Not just PC/JS but Waldron too. Who's to say he isn't Seattle's next HC.
Talent only goes so far in the NFL. Elway, Manning, Rogers, Farve, Montana, Mahomes, (Reid coached up both Farve and Patrick) Young (another rags to riches guy who waited his turn) were great talents that thrived with good development and systems that played to their strengths. When Indy went in the toilet and they cast off Manning, he found new life under a much better organiztion at that time, namely Denver.
With highly touted QB's and #1 picks more of a crap shoot than a sure thing, maybe Seattle's approach with Lock and visa versa, may provide a better long term opportunity to win in their eyes (PS/JS). Win Win is always a better outcome. It depends more on development instead of pre draft hype. Seattle had the # 5/20 overall pick and opted to stay the course they had in mind.
Lock was and still is liked by this organization. His work under Geno surely must be an inspiration to his own story, now and in the future.
Excellent comment and spot on.
I would also add a couple points. QBs are playing longer than ever under the new NFL rules for protecting quarterbacks. This has to shift some of Lock's thinking that he actually has time at 26 years old. Like you said, he doesn't need to force a starting job in a bad situation.
Secondly, he just got a pay raise and is making millions of dollars. Not much by NFL QB standards but a lot by normal person standards. That's not a bad gig while you are developing your talents in a place that you feel comfortable and like.
I also agree that I think he is at least for now the heir apparent. Geno's contract is more or less a 1 year deal.
When you said; “NFL, Not For Long” , I thought of Trey Lance.
Just traded to dallas for a fourth round pick
Amazing.
IMHO, FWIW (and, as usual, EIEIO) it depends on what you meant by "listen". Looking at the other comments, I don't think we've all taken it the same way.
If you meant "won't hang up on them while they're talking", then I leave my vote at "yes". As a minimum, I want the cold, hard intel on what value my competition places on Lock. They don't have the insight I do about his capabilities, but I don't have the insight they do about their needs. My response would probably be something like "that's a very interesting offer. I'd have to think about it for a while." After a decent interval, I'd call back and ask for twice as much as I think Lock is worth, just to get a bracket. (If I were nervous that they'd accept that, I'd probably ask for four times as much.)
If you meant "would CONSIDER", then I'd still vote "yes", but for a different reason: if some relative of mine (that is, an Idiot) offered the sun, the moon, and the stars...well, then I'd start singing P.T. Barnum's praises ("there's the one that was born THAT minute") & let Lock go...recognizing that I might be in pain later this season (depending on what they offer in return), but that I also might be pretty happy down the road a little while further.
If you meant "would bite on the first offer that dropped into the water in front of me", then I'd change my vote to "no".
They liked Lock coming ouy of college. Big arm, good mobility. Like some QBs, the coaching, team and system matter! See HOF QB Jim Plunkett, absolute bust in NE. Sam Darnold could be next.
Holy crap, that Alabama team was basically an NFL team -- and had 3 NFL starters at QB?? Holy crap.
I'm like Paul G, voted yes but wish to change my mind, for two reasons:
1. you're only going to get a 5th rounder at best for a back-up QB (Gardner Minshew went for a conditional 6th rounder)
2. because even if we were offered some of the names on your list of QB's, I'd actually prefer to stay put with Drew Lock. Not that many quality options out there.
So, why trade a pretty good reliable 2nd option at QB that has a ton of upside, for a 5th rounder at best and an unknown at QB that's one twisted ankle away from having your season in his hands? Changing my vote. Just Say No
Trey Lance just netted a 4th. Worse stats and they have to pay way more the remainder of contract. So whos to say we couldn't get a 2nd or 3rd? On potential, age, arm etc I'd be more likely to trade Geno right now. Love everything he did last season and for the team but I keep thinking about the massive number of turnover worthy plays and how lucky he got last season.
Think Garoppalo was worth a 2nd rd pick when he was with the Pats.
My personal view is no one outside of Seattle views Lock as worth quasi Garoppalo, closer to a Minshew actually — and no gm is going to bet on Drew yet.
But even if they did: Would you trade him for a 3rd rounder? If you would, my questions would be:
- who would you bring to take over the team if we read that lazily throwing the ball around in warm ups tomorrow, Geno suffered a “non-contact injury” and is out for the season?
- how would that new back-up keep Seattle’s playoff hopes alive.
- what would you pay to get him
First time I’ve considered the idea of trading Geno instead of Lock, but I fear that’s moot with Pete and John.
It's hard to know if Pete/John would be comfortable starting Lock week 1, if they had to, but I think they (JS especially) are legitimately excited to have acquired him from Denver and retained him for this season. I believe that they believe he could be a better than average QB in the right system, and that perceived value would be the basis for any kind of trade scenario. I think you'd need a second round pick to get him from us, and perhaps more if John knows you are desperate.
Voted yes because you should always at least listen to the offer, but i'd reject most bids that did come in. Lock is an ideal back-up for us right now, i definitely don't want to rely on Ahlers taking competitive NFL snaps!
So what is the value of a QB2? F*ck knows. If you're the 49ers it's hopefully at least one 1st. If you're the Jets it's maybe a pretzel. For us, if a team comes in with a 3rd + '25 5th/6th I'll have to think about it. But imma gonna hold off, let the season play out.
The longer you wait for Jones, the lower his price should go. But with Lock, it's really only going to trend up. Wait and see if a team suffers a QB1 injury, and their QB2 turns out to be crap. Try and make that 3rd + '25 Day 3 into a 3rd + '25 Day 2. Is that ultimately low for what could be a competent starting NFL QB? Yes, but no-one knows if Lock will be competent! To trust him to run our offence for a few games, sure, fine. But that's not worth much at all to another team, but a lot to us.
Long wandering comment this one, sorry. Lets wrap it up. Lock could easily do a Purdy/Foles/Keenum/Osweiler (remember Brock?! goddamn!). Get into a starting position (here or not), plays well for 4-5 games and can bank himself a solid contract. He could just as easily do a ... well... a Lock, and flame out under pressure. So listen to offers, but really know his best value to the 'Hawks is behind Geno, not in generating some middling Day2/3 picks.
If a team wanted Lock to start for them and if Lock wanted to go then don't hold him back. But at the same time we would need necessary compensation. There is a certain promising qb in the next draft that Mcalls to mind, I mean comes to mind.
Thinking about it, I’m changing my vote to “No”. If this offense is as good as it seems, I want a trusted backup who knows Waldron’s system to play in the event that Geno is injured for a couple of games.
Right. Just ask the Niners how important a couple comperltent back ups can be!
JS wouldn’t be doing his job if he didn’t listen. You have to be open even to the most ridiculous offers. May the 12s be with you and Go Seahawks!