I'm more psyched for this season than any of the last three or four. The fact that we're likely to have an abysmal record doesn't phase me. We get to watch young players develop. We'll have a shot at a very talented QB in the draft. Heck, we have two first round picks and two seconds.
Of course we'll miss Russ. How could we not? He's the best QB in Hawks history. He'll probably play well in Denver. He'll probably destroy us in week one. I'll be okay with all of it. This year isn't about winning. It's about developing. It's about positioning. Go Hawks!
NOTE - John Schneider/Pete Carroll have been linked to a Total of two QBs via the draft and only one via trade that had any level of *potential in the last eleven years. (*McGough was nothing more than a 'camp arm'). That said, Russell Wilson and Josh Allen are two of the top QBs in the league - maybe they know what they are doing in that area of evaluation...maybe this Drew Lock guy is semi-legit.
Even if he ends up not being so, I TRUST them to score a primo QB in the 2023 draft.
I don’t remember if I’ve seen Jones play or for that matter I don’t remember watching Lock play, but it sounds like everyone looks All Pro level while in shorts and t shirts.
One thing the DVOA AND DYAR comparisons don’t measure is emotion and motivation.
When Lock heard he was traded he just disappeared for a week or two. Star QB in High School, college, 2nd round draft pick in the NFL on top of the world and then, suddenly, his career was over; his team rejected him.
If he took that time to change his mental focus and see the opportunity to change his career path then maybe we will all be pleased with the result.
It's probably the reason it's fun just being a fan rather than having a writing it financial interest in the team.
They're fair points you write.
However, I've watched a bunch of tape on Lock, read the reasons, and I'm glad he's getting a shot with Seattle. I think they wanted him in the trade. I don't believe he was a throw in.
I'm also excited about Harris and Fant, the picks, and how Wilson will do in Denver.
Drew is 26 years old. Life can be challenging with that kind of pressure, but a change of scenery can matter.
Denver has been looking for 'the guy.'
If Lock's standard is replacing Wilson he'll fail.
If he's part of a multi pronged offensive attack, and the defense steps up and special teams are...special...i like Seattle's chances in the NFC.
I like the human aspect of these players, and their growth. And I actually tired of Russell's show and am looking forward to newness in leadership...and it all doesn't have top come from the QB1 for me
Since we are anticipated to finish with similar records, these guys are likely to be our competition for drafting a prize QB. The Giants have their only their regular stock of picks early, with likely Comp Pics later on...they will be a little more under the gun the make those count.
Noting that they just drafted a Dynamic Edge defender in Kayvon Thibodeaux and a Primo Tackle in Evan Neal, they are unlikely to go with either of those again. Unless Daniel Jones lights it up due to having Josh Allen's former coach (please), they will indeed be in the QB market...
The Giants also have the 4th easiest strength of schedule VS the Hawks at the 22nd easiest. What does that mean? - Nothing. Play the games, which I cannot wait for.
The Seahawks' upcoming season looks to be rather interesting...isn't it nice to have so much to discuss?
Unlike Lock, I was shocked Daniel Jones was drafted anywhere near where he was. I just figured somebody knew something I didn't. I still don't think Jones is a starter.
I remember the chorus of boos and Giants fans losing their minds on Twitter after Jones was selected. I felt genuinely bad for him and hoped he'd prove them all wrong, but in spite of looking the part and having the arm, he simply doesn't appear to have the talent. Would I rather have him or Lock? I'd just as soon flip a coin as pick one. There aren't many good quarterbacks in the NFL and neither of these two seem likely to resurrect their careers. But at least Jones has been given a ton of opportunities to fumble away (pun intended). Maybe, just maybe Lock can make the kind of strides Josh Allen did after looking shaky early in his career.
Wasn't Baker Mayfield the consensus QB1 coming out of that draft? I seem to recall that pick being chalk, and not a reach by Cleveland. Not that the pundits and draft geeks are any better at picking QB talent than NFL organizations are.
This is why you don't trade away a good QB. I get that Seattle was in a position where they basically had to, since by most accounts Russ wanted out. But a big part of that was due to poor to middling drafting and worse free agent signings and trades over the years since the Super Bowls. We really, really need some of this and next year's draft picks to hit big or the Russell Wilson era is going to be looked at as the "good ol' days" for a long time to come. That was depressing to even type out but I believe it to be true.
I think it was more that it was known fairly early that Mayfield was going to be the Brown pick at number one. So, he did become the consensus number one regarding people and their draft prognostications. I don't think everyone agreed that he was the top QB.
Oh and just to clarify, when I say that Mayfield probably should have been a day two pick, I'm speaking with the benefit of hindsight. I think I had Mayfield ranked as my top QB that year. It's fine that the Browns made that decision. I'm just saying that once the draft is over, it should be all the way over, and not use the fact that Mayfield was a #1 pick influence how we see him today. The way we should see him today is as a guy who was over-drafted, and by a significant margin.
I agree. This principle goes far beyond the NFL draft. Our expectations influence our perceptions. That's why the first few days on a new job are so important. Make a great impression as someone who's smart and works hard, and it will follow you through a bunch of mistakes. Make a bad impression and that too will be hard to change or overcome. In fact, other people's impression have a huge impact on one's performance most of the time. Sure, there's the concept of "chip on the shoulder". Maybe it sometimes applies in professional athletics. In normal jobs by normal folks, it rarely does. People tend to behave in ways that meet the expectations of those around them. Good or bad.
I would actually say that Sam Darnold had a slight edge on Mayfield, as far as public perception, while Josh Rosen may have had the most fans, and Josh Allen was a favorite for others because as we can see four years later, Mayfield/Darnold/Rosen were all being overrated as prospects while Allen had this crazy ceiling at least. Remember, Bills/Jets/Cardinals all traded up for those quarterbacks. There was reason to be enamored with the potential for all five, including Lamar, but there was no real consensus. The only thing that determined their order, really, was the order of the teams that selected them. I think if you polled GMs, you would've gotten all kinds of different answers that year. Before he won Heisman, there were questions if Baker Mayfield was a first round pick, or even sure if he was an NFL caliber player, prior to his last season at Oklahoma because the Big 12 is such a bad conference for defense. Especially against a spread offense. They called it too easy and referenced dudes like Brandon Weeden. In hindsight, I think it was correct to question Lincoln Riley's offense, Big 12 defenses... even Kyler Murray still needs to prove himself as a passer in the NFL.
Number 1 there is nothing comparable to Gettelman and his staff to John Schnider and his. Gentleman gets credit for the Panthers making the Super Bowl, but he shouldn't. That team was already built when he took over giving him a free ride. He made a number of obvious mistakes in Carolina, that I couldn't believe the Giants gave him a job. John Schneider on the other hand is well respected, so when Seattle gets the chance to draft a quarterback he will likely get it right.
If Lock starts the year for Seattle it will be because he beat Geno. Geno is a better quarterback than Teddy Bridgewater. That doesn't say a lot, but if Lock wins the competition he will give Seattle a chance to win.
Going into a new situation there will be a short grace period that Jones won't have. This could bring Locks confidence back, knowing the team and coaches like him. Jones on the other hand will start as the job is his. All around there is a better chance Lock will get going in Seattle. When it comes to making real money bets, the smart money is on neither, but if you had to bet on one making it, Lock would be the smarter bet.
It has always been too easy to ascribe potential purely based on where somebody was drafted. All that does is put entirely too much stock in the crap-shoot that is the NFL draft. We'd do well to remember that players themselves are never truly "busts" but instead simply represent missed evaluations -- and missing is more common than not when it comes to making the impossible decision on who will be successful in the NFL before they ever play a snap in the pros. I want to believe in Lock, I do, but his NFL snap pudding is pretty thick with proof already.
No offense, but the fact that Jones and Lock both suck doesn't alleviate the fact that the Hawks need a QB. By the way ,Jones played on a much worse team than Lock!
Pulling the pre-draft rankings of Daniel Jones vs Drew Lock, wow -
Impressive research, I'm not Joe / Ken - thanks!
We all hope 'Hawks' RBs can take the pressure off our QB.
I'm more psyched for this season than any of the last three or four. The fact that we're likely to have an abysmal record doesn't phase me. We get to watch young players develop. We'll have a shot at a very talented QB in the draft. Heck, we have two first round picks and two seconds.
Of course we'll miss Russ. How could we not? He's the best QB in Hawks history. He'll probably play well in Denver. He'll probably destroy us in week one. I'll be okay with all of it. This year isn't about winning. It's about developing. It's about positioning. Go Hawks!
NOTE - John Schneider/Pete Carroll have been linked to a Total of two QBs via the draft and only one via trade that had any level of *potential in the last eleven years. (*McGough was nothing more than a 'camp arm'). That said, Russell Wilson and Josh Allen are two of the top QBs in the league - maybe they know what they are doing in that area of evaluation...maybe this Drew Lock guy is semi-legit.
Even if he ends up not being so, I TRUST them to score a primo QB in the 2023 draft.
I don’t remember if I’ve seen Jones play or for that matter I don’t remember watching Lock play, but it sounds like everyone looks All Pro level while in shorts and t shirts.
One thing the DVOA AND DYAR comparisons don’t measure is emotion and motivation.
When Lock heard he was traded he just disappeared for a week or two. Star QB in High School, college, 2nd round draft pick in the NFL on top of the world and then, suddenly, his career was over; his team rejected him.
If he took that time to change his mental focus and see the opportunity to change his career path then maybe we will all be pleased with the result.
Okay, okay I surrender. Drew Lock is bad.
It's probably the reason it's fun just being a fan rather than having a writing it financial interest in the team.
They're fair points you write.
However, I've watched a bunch of tape on Lock, read the reasons, and I'm glad he's getting a shot with Seattle. I think they wanted him in the trade. I don't believe he was a throw in.
I'm also excited about Harris and Fant, the picks, and how Wilson will do in Denver.
Drew is 26 years old. Life can be challenging with that kind of pressure, but a change of scenery can matter.
Denver has been looking for 'the guy.'
If Lock's standard is replacing Wilson he'll fail.
If he's part of a multi pronged offensive attack, and the defense steps up and special teams are...special...i like Seattle's chances in the NFC.
I like the human aspect of these players, and their growth. And I actually tired of Russell's show and am looking forward to newness in leadership...and it all doesn't have top come from the QB1 for me
Since we are anticipated to finish with similar records, these guys are likely to be our competition for drafting a prize QB. The Giants have their only their regular stock of picks early, with likely Comp Pics later on...they will be a little more under the gun the make those count.
Noting that they just drafted a Dynamic Edge defender in Kayvon Thibodeaux and a Primo Tackle in Evan Neal, they are unlikely to go with either of those again. Unless Daniel Jones lights it up due to having Josh Allen's former coach (please), they will indeed be in the QB market...
The Giants also have the 4th easiest strength of schedule VS the Hawks at the 22nd easiest. What does that mean? - Nothing. Play the games, which I cannot wait for.
The Seahawks' upcoming season looks to be rather interesting...isn't it nice to have so much to discuss?
Unlike Lock, I was shocked Daniel Jones was drafted anywhere near where he was. I just figured somebody knew something I didn't. I still don't think Jones is a starter.
Underrated storyline of the offseason, I think, is that Tyrod Taylor could win that job.
I remember the chorus of boos and Giants fans losing their minds on Twitter after Jones was selected. I felt genuinely bad for him and hoped he'd prove them all wrong, but in spite of looking the part and having the arm, he simply doesn't appear to have the talent. Would I rather have him or Lock? I'd just as soon flip a coin as pick one. There aren't many good quarterbacks in the NFL and neither of these two seem likely to resurrect their careers. But at least Jones has been given a ton of opportunities to fumble away (pun intended). Maybe, just maybe Lock can make the kind of strides Josh Allen did after looking shaky early in his career.
Wasn't Baker Mayfield the consensus QB1 coming out of that draft? I seem to recall that pick being chalk, and not a reach by Cleveland. Not that the pundits and draft geeks are any better at picking QB talent than NFL organizations are.
This is why you don't trade away a good QB. I get that Seattle was in a position where they basically had to, since by most accounts Russ wanted out. But a big part of that was due to poor to middling drafting and worse free agent signings and trades over the years since the Super Bowls. We really, really need some of this and next year's draft picks to hit big or the Russell Wilson era is going to be looked at as the "good ol' days" for a long time to come. That was depressing to even type out but I believe it to be true.
I think it was more that it was known fairly early that Mayfield was going to be the Brown pick at number one. So, he did become the consensus number one regarding people and their draft prognostications. I don't think everyone agreed that he was the top QB.
Oh and just to clarify, when I say that Mayfield probably should have been a day two pick, I'm speaking with the benefit of hindsight. I think I had Mayfield ranked as my top QB that year. It's fine that the Browns made that decision. I'm just saying that once the draft is over, it should be all the way over, and not use the fact that Mayfield was a #1 pick influence how we see him today. The way we should see him today is as a guy who was over-drafted, and by a significant margin.
I agree. This principle goes far beyond the NFL draft. Our expectations influence our perceptions. That's why the first few days on a new job are so important. Make a great impression as someone who's smart and works hard, and it will follow you through a bunch of mistakes. Make a bad impression and that too will be hard to change or overcome. In fact, other people's impression have a huge impact on one's performance most of the time. Sure, there's the concept of "chip on the shoulder". Maybe it sometimes applies in professional athletics. In normal jobs by normal folks, it rarely does. People tend to behave in ways that meet the expectations of those around them. Good or bad.
I would actually say that Sam Darnold had a slight edge on Mayfield, as far as public perception, while Josh Rosen may have had the most fans, and Josh Allen was a favorite for others because as we can see four years later, Mayfield/Darnold/Rosen were all being overrated as prospects while Allen had this crazy ceiling at least. Remember, Bills/Jets/Cardinals all traded up for those quarterbacks. There was reason to be enamored with the potential for all five, including Lamar, but there was no real consensus. The only thing that determined their order, really, was the order of the teams that selected them. I think if you polled GMs, you would've gotten all kinds of different answers that year. Before he won Heisman, there were questions if Baker Mayfield was a first round pick, or even sure if he was an NFL caliber player, prior to his last season at Oklahoma because the Big 12 is such a bad conference for defense. Especially against a spread offense. They called it too easy and referenced dudes like Brandon Weeden. In hindsight, I think it was correct to question Lincoln Riley's offense, Big 12 defenses... even Kyler Murray still needs to prove himself as a passer in the NFL.
At least, this is how I remember it.
Number 1 there is nothing comparable to Gettelman and his staff to John Schnider and his. Gentleman gets credit for the Panthers making the Super Bowl, but he shouldn't. That team was already built when he took over giving him a free ride. He made a number of obvious mistakes in Carolina, that I couldn't believe the Giants gave him a job. John Schneider on the other hand is well respected, so when Seattle gets the chance to draft a quarterback he will likely get it right.
If Lock starts the year for Seattle it will be because he beat Geno. Geno is a better quarterback than Teddy Bridgewater. That doesn't say a lot, but if Lock wins the competition he will give Seattle a chance to win.
Going into a new situation there will be a short grace period that Jones won't have. This could bring Locks confidence back, knowing the team and coaches like him. Jones on the other hand will start as the job is his. All around there is a better chance Lock will get going in Seattle. When it comes to making real money bets, the smart money is on neither, but if you had to bet on one making it, Lock would be the smarter bet.
Thanks for pointing this out!
It has always been too easy to ascribe potential purely based on where somebody was drafted. All that does is put entirely too much stock in the crap-shoot that is the NFL draft. We'd do well to remember that players themselves are never truly "busts" but instead simply represent missed evaluations -- and missing is more common than not when it comes to making the impossible decision on who will be successful in the NFL before they ever play a snap in the pros. I want to believe in Lock, I do, but his NFL snap pudding is pretty thick with proof already.
Annoys me to no end that draft stock follows players for their entire careers, good or bad.
But without that where would the late-round picks find their chips?! We'd be inundated with chipless shoulders. What pray tell would we do then?
No offense, but the fact that Jones and Lock both suck doesn't alleviate the fact that the Hawks need a QB. By the way ,Jones played on a much worse team than Lock!
Not sure what you mean or what I'm meant to take offense to.
Meant for Jones smd Lock.