It sounds like the Broncos are rethinking their offseason moves with poor performances this year from both guys. Clark was a bargain basement pickup but I think he could contribute playing back with Seattle and Reed and Wagner. I saw Preston Smith as a potential move also mentioned by Kevin Patra but his contract money according to OTC is 6 mil plus and next year 16 Mil plus. He hasn't had a good year and their is even the possiblitty he gets cut next year. Clark was a cheaper option and Seattle knows him. Unfortunately premium PR guys are hard to find without sacrificing major bucks and picks which I don't see Seattle doing.
It will be interesting to see if Seattle shops Eskridge now that JSN and Bobo are emerging. Eskridge returned to practice to day on a limited basis.
With all that said I'd like to see Bell get a shot one day.
It’s not just Pete, I love reunions too! I don’t have high expectations for Clark, which means he should only exceed them!
With respect to what we can expect, I was thinking about how much one’s environment can impact performance. I’ve found that working around people I enjoy and for people I like (football is a job for pros) has a measurable impact on performance.
I think you’re right to call out he’s not likely to be the Frank Clark we traded away, but I’d like to think that being in familiar surroundings and around OGs like Wagz and Reed could bring the best out of him.
I at first did not like this news today, and hated the Cheeno news. But thanks again SJ for some real information. I knew of the big guy and his propensity for training OLine guys but I didn’t know Clark matured like that. Makes the pickup better and agreed might be a way to reach Taylor.
Seriously, I hope he gets fired up (jacked, per Pete) to be here. He has done progressively worse since leaving us. Not gonna lie, I was kinda excited (still am maybe) to see the young guys get more time, but I'll defer to Pete if he thinks Hall, Bell, & Taylor aren't ready enough as a group without some help.
Clark is available for cheap (league minimum free agent) for a reason. The biggest reason is that his tape does not show the physical tools to compete. The other reason is he did not want to be in Denver. (reworked contract to be released). I hoping that it is more of the latter than the former.
If Clark can play the running downs, while Taylor plays the passing downs then they might be a serviceable replacement for Nwosu as a duo.
As others have said, this move carries little risk with the possibility of tangible, on field benefits plus mentoring for younger players.
I’ll never forget watching his last season here and after each sack saying, “there’s another million dollars for Frank.” It turned out to be pretty accurate. He got his money and ring, maybe now he can pay it forward.
My only concern (admittedly limited observation) is Clark has really receded as an effective runstopper. Saw him miss his gaps several times, saw him half-heartedly reach for a guy (the true run-stoppers have too much pride to do that), etc. And this in limited Chiefs game-watching. Feels like he's now a one trick pony, like Taylor, except lost a step.
On the same page today ... Was thinking the same thing. Almost like a platoon in baseball for right and left handed pitching that both players combined equal something productive.
Clark will be a bridge for the young guys and will absorb some early down snaps which is exactly what the Seahawks need. And if the Seahawks make it to the playoffs Clark has shown he can turn up the volume.
But no doubt this is likely the last train to Clarks-ville...
One of the best intros to a song from the '60s no doubt.
Clark doesn't have to get to the QB to be effective--he is still (if reports are accurate) good in the run game which is what the Seahawks really need from him on early downs in particular.
Think I'm in the minority here....but, copy/pasting from ShowMeFootball, a blog that covers Missouri football (the Show Me State, get it?? :-) )
It's no secret that Clark has been a massive disappointment as a pass rusher and he has shown no creativity in his pass rush attack. His only move seems to be to try and run around the tackle which unsurprisingly doesn't work. God forbid fans expect a better pass rush when the Chiefs poured in so much money into the position group, but many will still hold onto the fact he's a good run defender. However, Frank Clark's run defense has taken a dip this year as well. He got absolutely destroyed in the run game in the second Denver game, the Jets game, and several others and while PFF isn't gospel, they had Clark's run defense for the year at a 55.7 overall grade which ranked 98th at the position.
Yeah, the hope has to be fewer snaps-->better production. Clark is not even close to an every-down guy at this point. If his snap count stays under 30% and the Seahawks get more out of Mafe (who should be able to handle it) Hall, and (!!) Taylor it might work. The "next best" alternative it likely bringing Bell up from the PS.
Literally no downside here, so why not. Anything we get from him will be gravy, and I love gravy. If you've never put gravy on fishcakes, you don't know what you're missing.
I remain curious as to what happened in KC and then in Denver. I'm guessing KC wanted him to return at a lower salary and he balked. Understandable given that he underperformed in regular season but seemed to make up for it in the playoffs, which could lead to different perspectives.
Hope you're right. As I've said elsewhere, I think we fans tend to have a bias toward optimistic perspectives. Managing people is hard, even at McDonalds. Managing athlete-millionaires with huge egos and tremendous resumes is exponentially harder. Carroll's got a good overall track record and did well with Clark until he wanted the big contract. So I think there's reason to hope. I'm cautiously optimistic on this despite my Geno-pessimism leading to my overall team-pessimism.
Which is why I wrote "could be..". I also think that if he can provide at least some level of pass rush threat, that helps the other pass rusher. That along with what JReed is doing and we might not suffer too much of a rush deterioration. I also have zero problem with a good run defender on the edge, esp. when D. Walker is playing.
I thoroughly enjoyed keying on Clark's play during games and was stunned when I heard he left. I strongly suspect he will catch the contagion flying around on Defense now. Very Good News!
Hard not to get caught up in the thought of Clark's energy on top of Witherspoon's and Adams'. Of course the latter two are in a class of their own. Witherspoon is like a cross between Richard Sherman and Kam Chancellor and Adams is the Energizer Bunny incarnate.
It sounds like the Broncos are rethinking their offseason moves with poor performances this year from both guys. Clark was a bargain basement pickup but I think he could contribute playing back with Seattle and Reed and Wagner. I saw Preston Smith as a potential move also mentioned by Kevin Patra but his contract money according to OTC is 6 mil plus and next year 16 Mil plus. He hasn't had a good year and their is even the possiblitty he gets cut next year. Clark was a cheaper option and Seattle knows him. Unfortunately premium PR guys are hard to find without sacrificing major bucks and picks which I don't see Seattle doing.
It will be interesting to see if Seattle shops Eskridge now that JSN and Bobo are emerging. Eskridge returned to practice to day on a limited basis.
With all that said I'd like to see Bell get a shot one day.
If anything can help Taylor, Great. Cause he can't do Anything now but rush.
It’s not just Pete, I love reunions too! I don’t have high expectations for Clark, which means he should only exceed them!
With respect to what we can expect, I was thinking about how much one’s environment can impact performance. I’ve found that working around people I enjoy and for people I like (football is a job for pros) has a measurable impact on performance.
I think you’re right to call out he’s not likely to be the Frank Clark we traded away, but I’d like to think that being in familiar surroundings and around OGs like Wagz and Reed could bring the best out of him.
I at first did not like this news today, and hated the Cheeno news. But thanks again SJ for some real information. I knew of the big guy and his propensity for training OLine guys but I didn’t know Clark matured like that. Makes the pickup better and agreed might be a way to reach Taylor.
I am excited about the possibility of more Clark coverage, and non-dog stuff, too.
Seriously, I hope he gets fired up (jacked, per Pete) to be here. He has done progressively worse since leaving us. Not gonna lie, I was kinda excited (still am maybe) to see the young guys get more time, but I'll defer to Pete if he thinks Hall, Bell, & Taylor aren't ready enough as a group without some help.
Clark is available for cheap (league minimum free agent) for a reason. The biggest reason is that his tape does not show the physical tools to compete. The other reason is he did not want to be in Denver. (reworked contract to be released). I hoping that it is more of the latter than the former.
I'm also reading that Brock Purdy is in concussion protocol (Go Bengals) and Deshaun Watson won't be playing for the Browns next Sunday. Go 'Hawks!
If Clark can play the running downs, while Taylor plays the passing downs then they might be a serviceable replacement for Nwosu as a duo.
As others have said, this move carries little risk with the possibility of tangible, on field benefits plus mentoring for younger players.
I’ll never forget watching his last season here and after each sack saying, “there’s another million dollars for Frank.” It turned out to be pretty accurate. He got his money and ring, maybe now he can pay it forward.
My only concern (admittedly limited observation) is Clark has really receded as an effective runstopper. Saw him miss his gaps several times, saw him half-heartedly reach for a guy (the true run-stoppers have too much pride to do that), etc. And this in limited Chiefs game-watching. Feels like he's now a one trick pony, like Taylor, except lost a step.
With any luck it’s because he was just unhappy with where he was playing. Getting back to his roots might fire him up again.
On the same page today ... Was thinking the same thing. Almost like a platoon in baseball for right and left handed pitching that both players combined equal something productive.
What perfect timing for throw back week! The Boys are back in town...!
Double rec 4 this, Cavmax.
It was inevitable.
Clark will be a bridge for the young guys and will absorb some early down snaps which is exactly what the Seahawks need. And if the Seahawks make it to the playoffs Clark has shown he can turn up the volume.
But no doubt this is likely the last train to Clarks-ville...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZcXpKiY2MXE
Not sure he's got much left in the tank for the young guys, but, gotta give a big LIKE for the Monkees!!!
One of the best intros to a song from the '60s no doubt.
Clark doesn't have to get to the QB to be effective--he is still (if reports are accurate) good in the run game which is what the Seahawks really need from him on early downs in particular.
Think I'm in the minority here....but, copy/pasting from ShowMeFootball, a blog that covers Missouri football (the Show Me State, get it?? :-) )
It's no secret that Clark has been a massive disappointment as a pass rusher and he has shown no creativity in his pass rush attack. His only move seems to be to try and run around the tackle which unsurprisingly doesn't work. God forbid fans expect a better pass rush when the Chiefs poured in so much money into the position group, but many will still hold onto the fact he's a good run defender. However, Frank Clark's run defense has taken a dip this year as well. He got absolutely destroyed in the run game in the second Denver game, the Jets game, and several others and while PFF isn't gospel, they had Clark's run defense for the year at a 55.7 overall grade which ranked 98th at the position.
Yeah, the hope has to be fewer snaps-->better production. Clark is not even close to an every-down guy at this point. If his snap count stays under 30% and the Seahawks get more out of Mafe (who should be able to handle it) Hall, and (!!) Taylor it might work. The "next best" alternative it likely bringing Bell up from the PS.
Literally no downside here, so why not. Anything we get from him will be gravy, and I love gravy. If you've never put gravy on fishcakes, you don't know what you're missing.
I remain curious as to what happened in KC and then in Denver. I'm guessing KC wanted him to return at a lower salary and he balked. Understandable given that he underperformed in regular season but seemed to make up for it in the playoffs, which could lead to different perspectives.
But what happened with the Donkeys?
https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&sca_esv=576575424&tbm=vid&sxsrf=AM9HkKltuhsov_C04gMTeK1JJpy2ex6unw:1698262353344&q=he%27s+baaaaack+meme&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjMrrmi-JGCAxUKMlkFHVsgCqwQ8ccDegQIRRAJ&biw=1361&bih=717&dpr=2.22#fpstate=ive&vld=cid:9904de55,vid:wXqMMYza4rk,st:0
Not surprised in the least, and what I predicted. He knows the coaches he did pretty well against the run. Most of all he was affordable.
A motivated Clark with familiar/friendly coaching & teammates, and the leeway to coach younger players, could be a beautiful thing!
Maybe I'm naively hopeful 😙
Hope you're right. As I've said elsewhere, I think we fans tend to have a bias toward optimistic perspectives. Managing people is hard, even at McDonalds. Managing athlete-millionaires with huge egos and tremendous resumes is exponentially harder. Carroll's got a good overall track record and did well with Clark until he wanted the big contract. So I think there's reason to hope. I'm cautiously optimistic on this despite my Geno-pessimism leading to my overall team-pessimism.
Which is why I wrote "could be..". I also think that if he can provide at least some level of pass rush threat, that helps the other pass rusher. That along with what JReed is doing and we might not suffer too much of a rush deterioration. I also have zero problem with a good run defender on the edge, esp. when D. Walker is playing.
I guess you meant D Taylor....threw me for a minute
yeah oops
I thoroughly enjoyed keying on Clark's play during games and was stunned when I heard he left. I strongly suspect he will catch the contagion flying around on Defense now. Very Good News!
Hard not to get caught up in the thought of Clark's energy on top of Witherspoon's and Adams'. Of course the latter two are in a class of their own. Witherspoon is like a cross between Richard Sherman and Kam Chancellor and Adams is the Energizer Bunny incarnate.
That's actually my question on this, although I agree is low risk:
What energy??