So Geno said he "ain't write back" but I read this morning that he is 'right back' with the Jets. Apparently, they signed him.
I was one of the fans that was glad the Seahawks traded him. And, speaking of fleecing, I have no doubt that JS fleeced the Raiders in getting a third round pick for him. Go Hawks!!!
"It also means that the media’s adoration for a player today will be proven hollow by tomorrow:
Nobody was allowed to criticize quarterbacks like Geno Smith and Justin Fields a year ago
Now nobody is sticking their neck out for these players when their stock is down and praise doesn’t carry the same social caché it used to"
And they'll be adding Caleb Williams and Bo Nix to that list. Those guys can also do no wrong. Pay no attention to the fact they have their flaws and are not really top 10 QBs right now. Media will pump them up to the moon and never admit they're wrong, assuming that growth is constant and expected.
Social media does not hold a candle to SSJ. Help me out a little here. What other sites do you follow, specifically for the Hawks? Please also give me your favorite few NFL platforms. I am new to following anything but the national news and NFL network.
Yeah was not that quote from Kimes, was something longer ago but her “takes” make me sad she’s a fan of our Hawks frankly. Fickle. Wind blowing poster. Consistently Inconsistent. I’ve not liked or followed her from her beginning. Like you said, posts for the “likes” not reality or objectively. Be great if you got there SJ but at same time, we all here don’t want you to lose what you’ve become.
Don't be mad about the situation our team is in. It's best for JS to be aware of it and understand it enough to use it to his advantage. Surf the wave of noise.
As a forgetful fish immune to the chaos around her once said, "just keep swimming".
The 'experts' who made the hot take that the Seahawks were starting a tear down when they traded Geno and DK, and let Tyler go.....weren't just wrong. Wrong doesn't do that take justice. You couldn't have been more wrong. The Seahawks went on to win the Super Bowl.....the NEXT season!!! So, double-wrong. Triple-wrong even.
Mina Kimes to her credit did admit she was totally wrong about her Geno trade take. Few others did the same.
I'm ok with influencers and insiders being wrong. If you're seldom wrong you're just not trying. You're in the echo chamber, without a backbone. C'mon man, get out there and think outside the box. What hasn't been said? What perspective has not be represented? SSJ does this well.
As to how much worked out well despite JS's decisions, and how much worked out well BECAUSE of JS's moves......we'll never know. There is certainly luck involved. Nobody can predict serious injury, personnel issues, etc. How a player fits in a scheme, or with a coach, or with a team is a projection....nothing more. So sometimes you hit, and sometimes you don't. I think the Seahawks do a better job than most at staying with the facts, and not getting over their ski's with a player. What is the evidence that this player has this value in this position on this team? And then you make the call. They've recently made a lot of good calls.
I hope for the best for Geno. He's got more than enough money to look after his family to the end of his days. So now he gets to play somewhere for the love of football. Hopefully he finds a fit somewhere, because fit is perhaps the most important thing.
Someone posted on here the other day, wondering what Pete might be thinking after the Seahawks won the SB 2 years after his departure. I was wondering the same thing. Wasn't really wondering what Geno might be thinking, but I'll bet it was hard for him to watch another QB win the SB on HIS old team. Life's full of 'what if's', and I'd be surprised if Geno hasn't wondered......what if?
Applying the lessons of Manufacturing Consent to sports journalism is really interesting because, as you outlined, it's about ego and narratives, insider cred etc rather than actual reporting. When massive companies are involved in truth-telling (the objective goal of journalism) the truth gets left behind for the telling, regardless of subject matter.
I know I keep saying it, but this article is why I subscribe to SSJ.
There’s so much noise out there about how we should sign this player, shouldn’t have let that one go etc, it’s just nice to read an article from a fan whose not scared to rock the boat, but also puts their hands up when they get it wrong.
At the end of the regular season, SSJ wrote about Myers not making the 61 yard field goal to win against the Rams. I thought I would rather have someone who is extremely good up to about 50 rather than one who makes the big kick, but misses the short ones.
In the rematch the Rams miss a 48 yarder. How much different would our season have been if that had been made, no miracle in overtime, chance for home field advantage in the playoffs.
Looking forward to your thoughts on free agency and the draft. Keep that keyboard tapping away, it’s gold!
I really could go on a genuine rant about the shift to "views = good content" society took with the launch of Friendster in 2002 (or Myspace in 2003, or the post-08 crisis shift of society, depending where you want to debate about it), but not here in SSJ comments.
All I say is, the poor performance of "experts" when judged on any qualitative basis rather than view counts is what has driven me away from basically any mainstream sports media outlet. I'll throw my money and time at Ken, because when he's wrong he'll admit it and examine why so next time around he's better (plus all the times he uses genuine thought and analysis to just be correct in the first place).
It's the same in other sports. I give money to the independent Rugby yt channel Squidge Rugby (if you want to learn about Rugby, and you should because it's amazing and imo objectively better than American Football, they are a must watch). I give money to the independent F1 podcast Shift+F1 (again, if you like F1 this is a must listen podcast).
Seasiders, please give your time and money to independent sources you like and use regularly! Get off Twitter (for a million reasons that go far beyond bad NFL takes) and give your time those who truly care about sports analysis and conversation. I'd love for you to drop some of your other fav's independent blogs/youtubes/podcasts about the NFL or other sports in a reply, sharing is caring and i trust your recommendations. I just want to read/watch/listen to great sports content, and not "this week the groupthink dumb take is X because it'll generate clicks".
I would reckon that the vast majority of Seasiders arrived here via a similar train as you and me. The others out there seem to have missed that left turn at Albuquerque.
Back in the day, I thought Sam Darnold would be at least as good as Geno. I didn't think we would be any worse, but we would be younger and cheaper. What could possibly go wrong? Well, in fact, everything went totally right. SD is in the second year of a three-year contract, is a Super Bowl winner, and GS is down the road.
SSJ's spot on observation that people in sports media are rewarded for attention instead of accuracy reminds me of a post I read recently about the music industry, which has a similar problem of mistakenly treating monthly listeners as a metric of success.
So Geno said he "ain't write back" but I read this morning that he is 'right back' with the Jets. Apparently, they signed him.
I was one of the fans that was glad the Seahawks traded him. And, speaking of fleecing, I have no doubt that JS fleeced the Raiders in getting a third round pick for him. Go Hawks!!!
"It also means that the media’s adoration for a player today will be proven hollow by tomorrow:
Nobody was allowed to criticize quarterbacks like Geno Smith and Justin Fields a year ago
Now nobody is sticking their neck out for these players when their stock is down and praise doesn’t carry the same social caché it used to"
And they'll be adding Caleb Williams and Bo Nix to that list. Those guys can also do no wrong. Pay no attention to the fact they have their flaws and are not really top 10 QBs right now. Media will pump them up to the moon and never admit they're wrong, assuming that growth is constant and expected.
Social media does not hold a candle to SSJ. Help me out a little here. What other sites do you follow, specifically for the Hawks? Please also give me your favorite few NFL platforms. I am new to following anything but the national news and NFL network.
Neat song about mass media and capitalism and it's sideffects...
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=o1KBKT61Y6s&list=OLAK5uy_lS9xGf9idf8C2nKygvP46pTTQuDNF5JQk&pp=8AUB
Yeah was not that quote from Kimes, was something longer ago but her “takes” make me sad she’s a fan of our Hawks frankly. Fickle. Wind blowing poster. Consistently Inconsistent. I’ve not liked or followed her from her beginning. Like you said, posts for the “likes” not reality or objectively. Be great if you got there SJ but at same time, we all here don’t want you to lose what you’ve become.
And now we’re reading that Geno might be headed “home” to the JETS! :-)
It’s interesting to compare Darnold and Geno and I’d be intrigued to read your view on how this went down:
Geno and Darnold were both failed Jets picks
Don't be mad about the situation our team is in. It's best for JS to be aware of it and understand it enough to use it to his advantage. Surf the wave of noise.
As a forgetful fish immune to the chaos around her once said, "just keep swimming".
Welcome to the internet and this thing called an "algorithm".
I won't go down the rabbit hole of my disdain of this big echo chamber of voices that now have exposure they don't deserve. The masses are messes.
The 'experts' who made the hot take that the Seahawks were starting a tear down when they traded Geno and DK, and let Tyler go.....weren't just wrong. Wrong doesn't do that take justice. You couldn't have been more wrong. The Seahawks went on to win the Super Bowl.....the NEXT season!!! So, double-wrong. Triple-wrong even.
Mina Kimes to her credit did admit she was totally wrong about her Geno trade take. Few others did the same.
I'm ok with influencers and insiders being wrong. If you're seldom wrong you're just not trying. You're in the echo chamber, without a backbone. C'mon man, get out there and think outside the box. What hasn't been said? What perspective has not be represented? SSJ does this well.
As to how much worked out well despite JS's decisions, and how much worked out well BECAUSE of JS's moves......we'll never know. There is certainly luck involved. Nobody can predict serious injury, personnel issues, etc. How a player fits in a scheme, or with a coach, or with a team is a projection....nothing more. So sometimes you hit, and sometimes you don't. I think the Seahawks do a better job than most at staying with the facts, and not getting over their ski's with a player. What is the evidence that this player has this value in this position on this team? And then you make the call. They've recently made a lot of good calls.
I hope for the best for Geno. He's got more than enough money to look after his family to the end of his days. So now he gets to play somewhere for the love of football. Hopefully he finds a fit somewhere, because fit is perhaps the most important thing.
Someone posted on here the other day, wondering what Pete might be thinking after the Seahawks won the SB 2 years after his departure. I was wondering the same thing. Wasn't really wondering what Geno might be thinking, but I'll bet it was hard for him to watch another QB win the SB on HIS old team. Life's full of 'what if's', and I'd be surprised if Geno hasn't wondered......what if?
Also, to Mina Kimes, she made that comment before Sam Darnold was available.
She is also a Seahawks fan so it was more of an emotional response … which is what fans are supposed to do.
And like you said when the dust settled she was great. Always enjoying her work.
Applying the lessons of Manufacturing Consent to sports journalism is really interesting because, as you outlined, it's about ego and narratives, insider cred etc rather than actual reporting. When massive companies are involved in truth-telling (the objective goal of journalism) the truth gets left behind for the telling, regardless of subject matter.
I know I keep saying it, but this article is why I subscribe to SSJ.
There’s so much noise out there about how we should sign this player, shouldn’t have let that one go etc, it’s just nice to read an article from a fan whose not scared to rock the boat, but also puts their hands up when they get it wrong.
At the end of the regular season, SSJ wrote about Myers not making the 61 yard field goal to win against the Rams. I thought I would rather have someone who is extremely good up to about 50 rather than one who makes the big kick, but misses the short ones.
In the rematch the Rams miss a 48 yarder. How much different would our season have been if that had been made, no miracle in overtime, chance for home field advantage in the playoffs.
Looking forward to your thoughts on free agency and the draft. Keep that keyboard tapping away, it’s gold!
I really could go on a genuine rant about the shift to "views = good content" society took with the launch of Friendster in 2002 (or Myspace in 2003, or the post-08 crisis shift of society, depending where you want to debate about it), but not here in SSJ comments.
All I say is, the poor performance of "experts" when judged on any qualitative basis rather than view counts is what has driven me away from basically any mainstream sports media outlet. I'll throw my money and time at Ken, because when he's wrong he'll admit it and examine why so next time around he's better (plus all the times he uses genuine thought and analysis to just be correct in the first place).
It's the same in other sports. I give money to the independent Rugby yt channel Squidge Rugby (if you want to learn about Rugby, and you should because it's amazing and imo objectively better than American Football, they are a must watch). I give money to the independent F1 podcast Shift+F1 (again, if you like F1 this is a must listen podcast).
Seasiders, please give your time and money to independent sources you like and use regularly! Get off Twitter (for a million reasons that go far beyond bad NFL takes) and give your time those who truly care about sports analysis and conversation. I'd love for you to drop some of your other fav's independent blogs/youtubes/podcasts about the NFL or other sports in a reply, sharing is caring and i trust your recommendations. I just want to read/watch/listen to great sports content, and not "this week the groupthink dumb take is X because it'll generate clicks".
I would reckon that the vast majority of Seasiders arrived here via a similar train as you and me. The others out there seem to have missed that left turn at Albuquerque.
Back in the day, I thought Sam Darnold would be at least as good as Geno. I didn't think we would be any worse, but we would be younger and cheaper. What could possibly go wrong? Well, in fact, everything went totally right. SD is in the second year of a three-year contract, is a Super Bowl winner, and GS is down the road.
I appreciate the intentional-ness of your truth here Ken. Thanks for being the best NFL blogger out there. I feel lucky that you cover the Hawks.
SSJ's spot on observation that people in sports media are rewarded for attention instead of accuracy reminds me of a post I read recently about the music industry, which has a similar problem of mistakenly treating monthly listeners as a metric of success.
https://joelgouveia.substack.com/p/1-million-monthly-listeners-12-tickets?utm_campaign=post-expanded-share&utm_medium=post%20viewer
Very interesting insight