I have a question. If a team that seemed likely to be a middle of the pack finisher this year offered the Seahawks a 1st and 2nd (and maybe a 3rd) pick for their 1st, do you think that's fair? Do you think the Seahawks would jump at that?
I've done some mocks (to learn the prospects) and I have been offered that, so I was wondering.
I guess when I think starters I think first options which can change depending on situation. Really, there are more than 11 starters on either side of the ball. If going against a team that runs higher passing rates, you might start a nickel personnel. If going against run heavy you might be in 4-3 base vs 3-4 etc... I could make an argument that there could be 14 players on either side that are starters depending on situation. When I have previously stated I hope to get 2 starters and two quality backups, I'm hoping for meaningful snaps where a rookie beats out our current lineup for snaps. Backups will play when injuries inevitably happen but those players are not necessarily the first option. This draft sucks...if my board is even close this draft is basically over by the middle of round three at the latest.
Until recently, the ‘Hawks problem wasn’t failing to draft staters—it was drafting a bunch of okay guys. Compare the typical Schneider drafts of the teens to the Eagles’ 2023-2024 1st and 2nd round haul:
2024: Quinyon Mitchell, Cooper DeJean
2023: Jalen Carter, Nolan Smith
What a team needs from a draft is players who can help them get to a Super Bowl, regardless of whether they start.
Great context for what must be some sort of all-time 3-consecutive-year drafting record: Seattle’s 2010-2012 draft classes. I realize a few of these prob didn’t make the official “starters” criteria but all these guys listed were part of that magical Seattle era we’ve been chasing ever since:
2010:
Russell Okung
Earl Thomas
Golden Tate
Walter Thurmond
Anthony McCoy
2011:
James Carpenter
KJ Wright
Richard Sherman
Byron Maxwell
Malcolm Smith
Doug Baldwin
Ricardo Lockette*
*Wasn’t a starter but created one of the all-time great starter nicknames, right up there with “Angry Doug Baldwin”. That’s gotta count doe something, and anyways Lockette was the quintessential Seahawk in so many ways….
Was 2011 the all-time Seahawk nickname draft class??
2012:
Bruce Irvin
Bobby Wagner
Russell Wilson
Robert Turbin
JR Sweezy
Jerome Kearse
What a special special time that was to be a Seahawks fan….
There were so many hits on that list...if we could get back to that we'd be golden. What was the common thread on those picks? What was driving the choices? That was incredible analysis and decision making...and I am sure a little luck too.
“…….who is one of the of the rare ones worth a first ronud pick.”
I did an interesting exercise and asked Grok to create a meaning based on linguistic analysis for the word ‘ronud’. After much ‘thought’ (?), it settled with the new word being an adaptation of ‘round’ (which works here). Its meaning would describe something that is somewhat round, and maybe meant to be round, but isn’t quite.
This also seems to work in SJ’s accidental creation of the word as the player being discussed, Jihaad Campbell, may be a good player, but one that is not (yet) well rounded. (Sorry to waste everyone’s time).
I have learned over the years almost nobody knows who the Hawks will draft (with one notable exception) and to not waste time researching future Patriots or whoever I may want the Seahawks to draft (which is usually nobody) because I never really watch much college ball. Nothing against it, the weekend is too short as it is, I first started watching pros and stuck with it......
This is all according to my personal board so take it with the salt...I think 7 players - Ashton Jeanty, Abdul Carter, Tyler Warren, Cam Ward, Jahdae Barron, Mason Graham and Travis Hunter are locks to be gone by 18. I think any one of 11 players - Tetairoa McMillan, Will Campbell, Jihaad Campbell, Will Johnson, James Pearce Jr., Donovan Ezeiruaku, Emeka Egbuka, Matthew Golden, Walter Nolen, Colston Loveland or Shemar Stewart could potentially be available depending on how the board falls. I just worry what's going to be left is receivers and I prefer to not draft a receiver in rd 1 even if it's BPA.
The advantage of a rookie WR is similar to that of a rookie QB. Since the going rate for a good WR is in $25-30M/yr territory, a team can do itself a real favor by having as many WRs as possible on rookie contracts.
Totally agree with your logic. And it's not that I think in general that we shouldn't draft WR in rd 1, I just see more options in this draft for receivers later on without much of a drop off in talent.
Which of those are you banging on the table and running to the podium to select? I’m with you, it won’t be for Golden or Tet Mac. I’m higher on Egbuka if it has to be a receiver. I think Warren could slip as far as 14 (Colts) But what if the Colts see Loveland ahead of Warren? I would pound the table for both Campbells, and Stewart, even though he has a low floor and will require at least a year to develop. I’ve been envisioning some teams very high on Dart as a QB and maybe we can move back if all that is left is receiver and we’re passing on Dart. I’m not sure there will be a player at 18 that people would trade up for that we wouldn’t be selecting ourselves. This draft is going to be a lot of fun.
Since you asked...I won't be pounding tables, but I have been playing with lists. I've only gotten to 18, but will probably work through who makes sense through the third round, as time permits. With the caveat that I'm a synthesist, not someone who watches film. I follow a handful of Seahawk-specific sites and another handful of draft sites. (This is a problem.) (It is also a sleep aid.)
Here, then, subject to changing my mind and/or learning new things, is my "board" for 1.18. The numbers represent a consensus draft board's composite ranking. I am trying to pick production over traits, and this order is my attempt to rank players by the impact I think they would have on the team, and, to a much lesser degree, by positional value.
7. OT Armond Membou
16. CB Jahdae Barron
32. IOL Grey Zabel
17. LB Jihaad Campbell
19. TE Colston Loveland
10. TE Tyler Warren
31. ED Donovan Ezeiraku
33. WR Emeka Egbuka
I realize JS isn't likely to draft Zabel. At least not at 1.18. Whatever. (And that Membou won't drop that far.) I think we pick either TE or WR in our top five choices, but probably not both. The TE class is deep, and the Seahawks would have to be in love with one of those two top players not to wait. The DT class is deep and I think we pick one on day two. Also, I can't yet differentiate between most of them. I know I've skipped a couple well-regarded safeties.
I would pound the table for Will Campbell, Jahdae Barron Tyler Warren Armand Membou Jihaad Campbell Jaylin Walker Shemar Stewart. I’d lightly pound for Colston Loveland or Ken Grant. I’m skipping a couple at the very top who I think it impossible they will last to 18. I think it’s very unlikely the top 4 I listed will be available at 18. I suppose I could add the BC edge rusher, but I’m not sure why I feel apprehensive about him. He’s very polished, but I wonder if he’s a very high floor, not so high ceiling guy.
I have a question. If a team that seemed likely to be a middle of the pack finisher this year offered the Seahawks a 1st and 2nd (and maybe a 3rd) pick for their 1st, do you think that's fair? Do you think the Seahawks would jump at that?
I've done some mocks (to learn the prospects) and I have been offered that, so I was wondering.
I guess when I think starters I think first options which can change depending on situation. Really, there are more than 11 starters on either side of the ball. If going against a team that runs higher passing rates, you might start a nickel personnel. If going against run heavy you might be in 4-3 base vs 3-4 etc... I could make an argument that there could be 14 players on either side that are starters depending on situation. When I have previously stated I hope to get 2 starters and two quality backups, I'm hoping for meaningful snaps where a rookie beats out our current lineup for snaps. Backups will play when injuries inevitably happen but those players are not necessarily the first option. This draft sucks...if my board is even close this draft is basically over by the middle of round three at the latest.
Until recently, the ‘Hawks problem wasn’t failing to draft staters—it was drafting a bunch of okay guys. Compare the typical Schneider drafts of the teens to the Eagles’ 2023-2024 1st and 2nd round haul:
2024: Quinyon Mitchell, Cooper DeJean
2023: Jalen Carter, Nolan Smith
What a team needs from a draft is players who can help them get to a Super Bowl, regardless of whether they start.
Great context for what must be some sort of all-time 3-consecutive-year drafting record: Seattle’s 2010-2012 draft classes. I realize a few of these prob didn’t make the official “starters” criteria but all these guys listed were part of that magical Seattle era we’ve been chasing ever since:
2010:
Russell Okung
Earl Thomas
Golden Tate
Walter Thurmond
Anthony McCoy
2011:
James Carpenter
KJ Wright
Richard Sherman
Byron Maxwell
Malcolm Smith
Doug Baldwin
Ricardo Lockette*
*Wasn’t a starter but created one of the all-time great starter nicknames, right up there with “Angry Doug Baldwin”. That’s gotta count doe something, and anyways Lockette was the quintessential Seahawk in so many ways….
Was 2011 the all-time Seahawk nickname draft class??
2012:
Bruce Irvin
Bobby Wagner
Russell Wilson
Robert Turbin
JR Sweezy
Jerome Kearse
What a special special time that was to be a Seahawks fan….
There were so many hits on that list...if we could get back to that we'd be golden. What was the common thread on those picks? What was driving the choices? That was incredible analysis and decision making...and I am sure a little luck too.
I think Scot Mclaughan may have been the common thread. Uncommon nose for NFL talent
SSJ I think I remember a Top 10 draft class ranking you did? Believe these were the top 3 in that ranking.
Has any team had three consecutive draft classes as strong as these three?
“…….who is one of the of the rare ones worth a first ronud pick.”
I did an interesting exercise and asked Grok to create a meaning based on linguistic analysis for the word ‘ronud’. After much ‘thought’ (?), it settled with the new word being an adaptation of ‘round’ (which works here). Its meaning would describe something that is somewhat round, and maybe meant to be round, but isn’t quite.
This also seems to work in SJ’s accidental creation of the word as the player being discussed, Jihaad Campbell, may be a good player, but one that is not (yet) well rounded. (Sorry to waste everyone’s time).
I have learned over the years almost nobody knows who the Hawks will draft (with one notable exception) and to not waste time researching future Patriots or whoever I may want the Seahawks to draft (which is usually nobody) because I never really watch much college ball. Nothing against it, the weekend is too short as it is, I first started watching pros and stuck with it......
This is all according to my personal board so take it with the salt...I think 7 players - Ashton Jeanty, Abdul Carter, Tyler Warren, Cam Ward, Jahdae Barron, Mason Graham and Travis Hunter are locks to be gone by 18. I think any one of 11 players - Tetairoa McMillan, Will Campbell, Jihaad Campbell, Will Johnson, James Pearce Jr., Donovan Ezeiruaku, Emeka Egbuka, Matthew Golden, Walter Nolen, Colston Loveland or Shemar Stewart could potentially be available depending on how the board falls. I just worry what's going to be left is receivers and I prefer to not draft a receiver in rd 1 even if it's BPA.
The advantage of a rookie WR is similar to that of a rookie QB. Since the going rate for a good WR is in $25-30M/yr territory, a team can do itself a real favor by having as many WRs as possible on rookie contracts.
Totally agree with your logic. And it's not that I think in general that we shouldn't draft WR in rd 1, I just see more options in this draft for receivers later on without much of a drop off in talent.
Thanks. I’m neutral. I can see how financial considerations might be a tie breaker, though. FWIW, I don’t think that the Hawks have a #1 WR right now.
Which of those are you banging on the table and running to the podium to select? I’m with you, it won’t be for Golden or Tet Mac. I’m higher on Egbuka if it has to be a receiver. I think Warren could slip as far as 14 (Colts) But what if the Colts see Loveland ahead of Warren? I would pound the table for both Campbells, and Stewart, even though he has a low floor and will require at least a year to develop. I’ve been envisioning some teams very high on Dart as a QB and maybe we can move back if all that is left is receiver and we’re passing on Dart. I’m not sure there will be a player at 18 that people would trade up for that we wouldn’t be selecting ourselves. This draft is going to be a lot of fun.
I like Egbuka a lot.
Are you counting TEs as receivers?
Since you asked...I won't be pounding tables, but I have been playing with lists. I've only gotten to 18, but will probably work through who makes sense through the third round, as time permits. With the caveat that I'm a synthesist, not someone who watches film. I follow a handful of Seahawk-specific sites and another handful of draft sites. (This is a problem.) (It is also a sleep aid.)
Here, then, subject to changing my mind and/or learning new things, is my "board" for 1.18. The numbers represent a consensus draft board's composite ranking. I am trying to pick production over traits, and this order is my attempt to rank players by the impact I think they would have on the team, and, to a much lesser degree, by positional value.
7. OT Armond Membou
16. CB Jahdae Barron
32. IOL Grey Zabel
17. LB Jihaad Campbell
19. TE Colston Loveland
10. TE Tyler Warren
31. ED Donovan Ezeiraku
33. WR Emeka Egbuka
I realize JS isn't likely to draft Zabel. At least not at 1.18. Whatever. (And that Membou won't drop that far.) I think we pick either TE or WR in our top five choices, but probably not both. The TE class is deep, and the Seahawks would have to be in love with one of those two top players not to wait. The DT class is deep and I think we pick one on day two. Also, I can't yet differentiate between most of them. I know I've skipped a couple well-regarded safeties.
I would pound the table for Will Campbell, Jahdae Barron Tyler Warren Armand Membou Jihaad Campbell Jaylin Walker Shemar Stewart. I’d lightly pound for Colston Loveland or Ken Grant. I’m skipping a couple at the very top who I think it impossible they will last to 18. I think it’s very unlikely the top 4 I listed will be available at 18. I suppose I could add the BC edge rusher, but I’m not sure why I feel apprehensive about him. He’s very polished, but I wonder if he’s a very high floor, not so high ceiling guy.