So even if this stays a misdemeanor (and if it does...wow) this guy is going to be in civil court for 100 years. So many victims and all would have a case against him. He will be playing for his lawfirm for his first two contracts.
Also how on earth has this stayed this quiet this long??
So, I didn't want Carter in the first place, but I wanted someone else above us to draft him to push others down the draft order to us at #5. Why I didn't want him wasn't about character, unless it was his character that caused him to have a fairly short highlights film for someone expected to go in the top 5.
Remember Seaside Joe's very recent article about QB's being drafted high without any film to point to to justify that draft position? Just the other day. Go back and read that article but change QB to DT and Anthony Richardson to Jalen Carter and everything else can stay the same with the same conclusion.
It's OK to draft a guy without any decent film to speak of in the 3rd or later rounds, but to draft them at the top of the first is way too risky. I guess he does has a dominate rush/run win rate. 22% if my memory is correct. Which is crazy good. I don't doubt he is crazy good, but it somehow doesn't result in sacks very often. I'm talking myself back into loving his talent. Ha, ha. No. He may dominate in the NFL in ways he didn't in college, but I'd rather take a guy with a "relentless motor" who wants to become the best at his position, and works to do that.
Nothing in his history suggests Carter is that guy. I'll pass.
Looking deeper into this story, there is a very real chance that prosecutors charge Carter with felony manslaughter after all the information is gathered. Charges aside, I have lost all respect for the young man. He claims he was not drinking at 2:45 AM right after bars close on a Saturday night. Even IF that's true, then it seems even worse that the guy just saw his friend and teammate involved in a horrific surely deadly accident and his first impulse was to leave the scene. The crash photos are crazy. That Jeep almost went into a house. Wild to me that a crash involving a top NFL prospect that occurred in mid January is only now getting published.
I'm going to play devil's advocate on this one: I don't think this will impact his draft stock too much (if at all). He is being charged with reckless driving and racing (both misdemeanors). He's not facing a DUI and he's not implicated in causing the death of his teammate and recruiting assistant (other than participating in racing).
I can empathize with him because at his age, I liked to drive my car fast and occasionally recklessly without thought for the consequences. I was lucky it never led to anyone being injured. While I believe it was a bad decision for Jalen (and his friends/colleagues), I also think that decision making is within the realm of typical for this stage of development.
- take longer to consider difficult problems before deciding on a course of action,
- are less influenced by the lure of rewards associated with behavior,
- are more sensitive to the potential costs associated with behavior, and
- have better developed impulse control.
In other words, the differences between adolescents and adults are stark, and *the years between 18 and 26* are when young people develop psychologically in ways that bridge these differences."
In other words, the ages 18-26 are when young adults start to differentiate from adolescent behavior. He's still well within this age range.
That doesn't excuse what he did, but I believe teams will find it easier to chalk this up to making a dumb mistake AND pass it off to their fans as such than they would, say, domestic violence or armed robbery.
However, he's going to be asked about this A LOT this week, and how he answers will determine whether or not his draft stock drops.
Mar 1, 2023·edited Mar 1, 2023Liked by Seaside Joe
I was just reading this before I came on to your site. I would think if I was about to be a top 5 pick in the NFL I would not being drinking and driving or anything else that would jeopardize my opportunity. This is a total lack of maturity and judgement on his part.
I also know premium talent to play a game is very valuable. I don't see him dropping far. Perhaps being apart of something like this will be a wake up call for him. I am sure attending his teammates funeral and morning his friends deaths is a sobering reality check
My first thought is I never bought the idea of DT at picks 1-4. Anderson as top 4 pick yes, Young yes, Stroud maybe but my thought was that either the Bears would be better off drafting a left tackle. There a 2/3 left tackles deserving of the pick and had no idea why either the Cardinals or the Bears whose offensive lines truly are bad would not take a LT if Anderson was gone.
Carter made sense to me for Seattle though because of his ability to be a force in the middle that we have not had since Cortez Kennedy. Don’t get me wrong Carter is a very different player but his later movement skills allow him to cover three running gaps and force the Qb out of the pocket on passing plays. Pete can build a defense around that. I was not that concerned that Carter got gassed in the Ohio State game because he played significantly more snaps than normal.
The racing though that scares the hell out of me. This guy is looking at 35 million dollars guaranteed in a few months and taking these kind of chances. What is he going to do when he actually gets the 35 million? I doubt I will be the only concerned. In the end I would not be surprised if the question now is not whether the Seahawks draft him at 5 but whether they draft him at 20. is falling we are not going to get much if anything to trade
PC/JS have talked about bringing in high character guys prior to last years draft and this year. I think Carter is a very long shot. Of course, I think there is a draft position they would give him a look ... But at 5 it seems like it most likely will not happen.
This is not great news for the value of the 5 pick (as someone could've selected him prior to 5).
Too often, NFL teams ask “is this someone want to bring into the building” when the question should be “is this someone we Will take responsibility for bringing into our community.” Malik McDowell was about the building; reckless driving is about the community. This doesn’t mean that, should the allegations bear out, Carter is undraftable under any circumstances. But whoever takes him should be awfully certain that he has learned a lesson.
I don't want to get carried away with assumptions, but the fact that the character concerns comment came before the incident makes this worse in my mind. To me, this suggests a pattern of behavior rather than an isolated (tragic) incident.
Jalen Carter is my biggest "why is he ranked so high?" prospect in years. He's huge, he's a brick wall, etc. etc., but there are behemoth run stuffers in the draft every year. 9 sacks, 3 batted passes and 13 QB hits in 3 years. That's barely better than an average season for Calijah Kancey. He picked up a QB with one arm. He looks great getting off the bus. He has character questions. Rob Staton pointed out that he's out of shape even in bowl games and Carter even admitted his conditioning was poor. And PFF has him ranked #1 overall.
After being burned to a crisp taking Malik McDowell in the first round and never playing a snap, I doubt PCJS make the mistake of drafting another player that high with maturity/character concerns. The 2022 draft class was a lesson in taking high character guys and I would bet that approach continues.
So even if this stays a misdemeanor (and if it does...wow) this guy is going to be in civil court for 100 years. So many victims and all would have a case against him. He will be playing for his lawfirm for his first two contracts.
Also how on earth has this stayed this quiet this long??
So, I didn't want Carter in the first place, but I wanted someone else above us to draft him to push others down the draft order to us at #5. Why I didn't want him wasn't about character, unless it was his character that caused him to have a fairly short highlights film for someone expected to go in the top 5.
Remember Seaside Joe's very recent article about QB's being drafted high without any film to point to to justify that draft position? Just the other day. Go back and read that article but change QB to DT and Anthony Richardson to Jalen Carter and everything else can stay the same with the same conclusion.
It's OK to draft a guy without any decent film to speak of in the 3rd or later rounds, but to draft them at the top of the first is way too risky. I guess he does has a dominate rush/run win rate. 22% if my memory is correct. Which is crazy good. I don't doubt he is crazy good, but it somehow doesn't result in sacks very often. I'm talking myself back into loving his talent. Ha, ha. No. He may dominate in the NFL in ways he didn't in college, but I'd rather take a guy with a "relentless motor" who wants to become the best at his position, and works to do that.
Nothing in his history suggests Carter is that guy. I'll pass.
Looking deeper into this story, there is a very real chance that prosecutors charge Carter with felony manslaughter after all the information is gathered. Charges aside, I have lost all respect for the young man. He claims he was not drinking at 2:45 AM right after bars close on a Saturday night. Even IF that's true, then it seems even worse that the guy just saw his friend and teammate involved in a horrific surely deadly accident and his first impulse was to leave the scene. The crash photos are crazy. That Jeep almost went into a house. Wild to me that a crash involving a top NFL prospect that occurred in mid January is only now getting published.
I'm going to play devil's advocate on this one: I don't think this will impact his draft stock too much (if at all). He is being charged with reckless driving and racing (both misdemeanors). He's not facing a DUI and he's not implicated in causing the death of his teammate and recruiting assistant (other than participating in racing).
I can empathize with him because at his age, I liked to drive my car fast and occasionally recklessly without thought for the consequences. I was lucky it never led to anyone being injured. While I believe it was a bad decision for Jalen (and his friends/colleagues), I also think that decision making is within the realm of typical for this stage of development.
Per the NIH on the behavior of young adults (20s-30s) (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK284782/):
"Compared with adolescents, young adults
- take longer to consider difficult problems before deciding on a course of action,
- are less influenced by the lure of rewards associated with behavior,
- are more sensitive to the potential costs associated with behavior, and
- have better developed impulse control.
In other words, the differences between adolescents and adults are stark, and *the years between 18 and 26* are when young people develop psychologically in ways that bridge these differences."
In other words, the ages 18-26 are when young adults start to differentiate from adolescent behavior. He's still well within this age range.
That doesn't excuse what he did, but I believe teams will find it easier to chalk this up to making a dumb mistake AND pass it off to their fans as such than they would, say, domestic violence or armed robbery.
However, he's going to be asked about this A LOT this week, and how he answers will determine whether or not his draft stock drops.
Todd McShay shouldn't be talking about anyone's character. He should be in treatment.
Oh, and you can't like every comment Kenneth, it kind of diminishes the cachet. ;)
Boy, I sure hope so, I mean, who hasn't killed someone while racing...?
I was just reading this before I came on to your site. I would think if I was about to be a top 5 pick in the NFL I would not being drinking and driving or anything else that would jeopardize my opportunity. This is a total lack of maturity and judgement on his part.
I also know premium talent to play a game is very valuable. I don't see him dropping far. Perhaps being apart of something like this will be a wake up call for him. I am sure attending his teammates funeral and morning his friends deaths is a sobering reality check
My first thought is I never bought the idea of DT at picks 1-4. Anderson as top 4 pick yes, Young yes, Stroud maybe but my thought was that either the Bears would be better off drafting a left tackle. There a 2/3 left tackles deserving of the pick and had no idea why either the Cardinals or the Bears whose offensive lines truly are bad would not take a LT if Anderson was gone.
Carter made sense to me for Seattle though because of his ability to be a force in the middle that we have not had since Cortez Kennedy. Don’t get me wrong Carter is a very different player but his later movement skills allow him to cover three running gaps and force the Qb out of the pocket on passing plays. Pete can build a defense around that. I was not that concerned that Carter got gassed in the Ohio State game because he played significantly more snaps than normal.
The racing though that scares the hell out of me. This guy is looking at 35 million dollars guaranteed in a few months and taking these kind of chances. What is he going to do when he actually gets the 35 million? I doubt I will be the only concerned. In the end I would not be surprised if the question now is not whether the Seahawks draft him at 5 but whether they draft him at 20. is falling we are not going to get much if anything to trade
PC/JS have talked about bringing in high character guys prior to last years draft and this year. I think Carter is a very long shot. Of course, I think there is a draft position they would give him a look ... But at 5 it seems like it most likely will not happen.
This is not great news for the value of the 5 pick (as someone could've selected him prior to 5).
Too often, NFL teams ask “is this someone want to bring into the building” when the question should be “is this someone we Will take responsibility for bringing into our community.” Malik McDowell was about the building; reckless driving is about the community. This doesn’t mean that, should the allegations bear out, Carter is undraftable under any circumstances. But whoever takes him should be awfully certain that he has learned a lesson.
I don't want to get carried away with assumptions, but the fact that the character concerns comment came before the incident makes this worse in my mind. To me, this suggests a pattern of behavior rather than an isolated (tragic) incident.
This guy screams Malcolm McDowell's character concerns and all the ugly Frank Clark history.
Jalen Carter is my biggest "why is he ranked so high?" prospect in years. He's huge, he's a brick wall, etc. etc., but there are behemoth run stuffers in the draft every year. 9 sacks, 3 batted passes and 13 QB hits in 3 years. That's barely better than an average season for Calijah Kancey. He picked up a QB with one arm. He looks great getting off the bus. He has character questions. Rob Staton pointed out that he's out of shape even in bowl games and Carter even admitted his conditioning was poor. And PFF has him ranked #1 overall.
After being burned to a crisp taking Malik McDowell in the first round and never playing a snap, I doubt PCJS make the mistake of drafting another player that high with maturity/character concerns. The 2022 draft class was a lesson in taking high character guys and I would bet that approach continues.