For me out of these rookies, Grey doing avg at LG, Robbie being a decent and master FB blocker and Horton becoming WR3 and remove MVS from 53 roster (lets us say keep Outz and Brady). Mills on IR, redshirt season, but growing stronger to eventually replace JReed in a couple years. And Milroe learns, keeps great attitude and supports Darnold.
I must admit I have more questions than answers about Milroe.
- AFAIK the number of QB’s that have been able to successfully change their mechanics can be counted on one hand?
- Decision-making/reading the defense at this level is even harder to develop than changing mechanics, in fact may not be learnable. Experience does slow the game down a bit, but isn’t ability to process a trait rather than a skill? Which is why a modestly athletic QB like Purdy can outplay a Vince Young or Anthony Richardson?
- How effective will Milroe be in Taysom Hill-type plays when the defense knows what those plays are, knows they’re coming, and Milroe is behind our line rather than NO’s?
All three of these are questions on purpose — they’re my doubts with Milroe and I’d love for someone to put those to bed so I can jump onto the Milroe train too
My hope is that there are no T Hill plays. I figure that will mean that JM is making so much progress on the stuff that matters that MMKK won’t want to divert development time to trick plays. There’s no urgent need to game plan around getting the #92 overall onto the field.
It will be unsurprising when, if Milroe plays really well in the preseason, that the same people preaching patience today will be calling for him to become the starter. Preseason is preseason. Yeah, it would be cool to see him play well, and I think we all would love to see that. But that wouldn't change my opinion of who should be the starter. By all means give Jalen some plays this year to keep defenses honest, and to get him some in-game experience. That will speed him up reading defenses. But hopefully Sam plays well enough that this doesn't become a running discussion all year.
The reality is we're going to see very little of Sam in the preseason, and a whole lot of Drew and Jalen. Hopefully they do well, but not worried about it if they don't.
I think reporters are going to be allowed at OTA's this week, so looking forward to some live reporting on Milroe, the o-line, Arroyo, and Horton. I'm one who thinks Horton could contribute right away. Pretty advanced route running, and all kinds of speed. WR3 might not see the field much anyway, if we spend a lot of time in 21 and 12 personnel, which I expect. Hopefully we see one heck of a lot less empty backfield shotgun sets.
We still don’t know if he’s Lamar Jackson or Justin Fields. But we do know that he has a good chance to be brought along a better path than JF had. So we shall see. Good option play by the team.
Regarding if Horton is ready to produce effectively as a receiver, my expressed opinion there is way too much to learn on how to maneuver defensive NFL players and out wit them to rule on the field in his first season. It took Baldwin and Lockett several seasons to master such.
Many of the Hawks draft picks seem to be planned with purpose, having a specific vision and roles for these players to hold. Milroe may never be a traditional starting QB. Let's not try to put labels on things...QB, RB, slash, etc...just let these coaches create some schemes to utilize his specific skill set. It'll be fun to watch. Even if you ran an offense around those three concepts you could likely advance the ball with high consistency if executed correctly...but I'd open it up way more than that. I'm more impressed with Milroe's mental makeup than I am with anything. The fact he is so aware of his areas for improvement and willing to work hard to address them will serve him very well. I could see him with a gold jacket someday. I could also see him in a limited and non traditional 'QB' role, and that's fine...he could still prove very valuable.
Exactly. We get to watch him turn into whatever he turns into. Hopefully that 'thing' he becomes gives defenses fits for a decade or more. But we'll have to wait and see. All of the raw material is there, the coaches just need to help him turn that into something lethal. It's so nice to finally have a developmental QB to talk about.
In the best version of the Hawks’ ‘26 offense both Horton and Arroyo have breakout seasons and Milroe sees the field only in mop up. We need to be patient while he relearns his mechanics. Once he believes he can throw the ball everywhere he wants to his decision making will improve exponentially. (We hope.) What he needs is reps. Not in games, in practice. After practice. Constantly watched and consistently coached. If it works, we have something.
One way to consider Milroe’s rookie season is that not playing is a hopeful sign for the future. It could mean that the Seahawks like the way he is developing, want to focus on that, and see no need to squeeze out a return on their investment with an occasional QB draw.
"DING!" Epiphany! Nickname for the coming dominant (?) defense: "HAWKZILLA D"! No? I have high apple pie in the sky hopes for our new D and racking my old noggin for a cool nickname (" Legion 2.0"?). Any good ideas out there in 12-land?
In staying with the comic book theme you could use a spin on the Marvel version of legion of doom which is either cabal or masters of evil...so maybe ' Caballers' or ' blasters of evil'...really this defense needs to develop a personality and then the name will follow...
Sea Kings... "Seekings" like heat seeking missiles, or seeking out contact, or being the king of seeing the play...the 'see' kings. First one...just to get the ball rolling
Can't see how the 'Hawks can't use Milroe's talent in some capacity. Would be a nightmare for defenses. Also, fullbacks notwithstanding, I can see Byron as the ball carrier in the 'Tush Push' play...like Godzilla blasting through power lines in Tokyo!
The late, great QB whisperer Bill Walsh famously said that the two most important skills for a QB. is intelligence and accuracy. The two things we already know is that, as of today, Milroe's descion making and accuracy are not close to being NFL ready. If or when he fixes those problems, the hype surrounding him borders on the ludicrous unless he is viewed as a Slash like Cordell Stewart of the Steelers. QB/RB/WR/ KR.
If great athleticism is a qualification for an NFL QB, then maybe we should be drafting Gold Medal Olympic decathlon guys.
By all accounts he is a very intelligent young man. Heisman Scholar. Earned his degree in Business Admin in college. I haven't heard or read anything other than he's a very smart young man. Accuracy is a different story, and he's actively working on that with Jordan Palmer on his own, and with his QB coach Andrew Janocko while with the Seahawks. He does need to adjust his 'grounding' and platform for throwing, and that's the piece he has to sort out to more reliably be accurate with his throws.
None of that is to say he will succeed as a QB. But I see no reason he couldn't. Let's give the young man a chance.
"Could"? Sure, I guess. Nothing has even begun to be decided. We gotta wait til OTAs are done, camp is over and preseason is here before we can start thinking about the actual game depth chart. Just because fans unrealistically expect their excitement about the, especially new, players to push the hands of the clock forward, doesn't mean today isn't still today. The team can't fast forward players' development, no matter how bad the fans want them to.
Funny how the article about Milroe today stresses that people are saying all he needs is time, yet he really needs more than that. It's funny because they're not even able to give him that only thing they say he needs (time) before their own need for content pushes them over the edge of realistic expectations.
I’m pulling for Tory Horton. He’s got incredible film you can watch ever since 2022. He has the speed to take the top off the defense, has great hands, and runs great routes. I just wish it wasn’t Sam Monsoon’s take you decided to show us. His takes on the Seahawks have usually been overly negative and lazy. (Going with the general consensus of understating the potential performance of the Hawks)
I’m one of those fans hanging on to that 15% potential to pop with Milroe. Why not? He’s very disciplined and committed to giving it his all to getting there. We could have drafted a Kyler Murray who just wants to play video games and magically improve. So my dream will live until it doesn’t (85%) or we have a young franchise QB for a dozen years (15%)
"Sea Wall"? Or "Mac's Tsunami"?
For me out of these rookies, Grey doing avg at LG, Robbie being a decent and master FB blocker and Horton becoming WR3 and remove MVS from 53 roster (lets us say keep Outz and Brady). Mills on IR, redshirt season, but growing stronger to eventually replace JReed in a couple years. And Milroe learns, keeps great attitude and supports Darnold.
Yes on Tory Horton. Exactly my thinking. Release MVS. Give those reps to Bobo or White.
Milroe may be the future, but I'd bet on Lock becoming a starter before Milroe.
I must admit I have more questions than answers about Milroe.
- AFAIK the number of QB’s that have been able to successfully change their mechanics can be counted on one hand?
- Decision-making/reading the defense at this level is even harder to develop than changing mechanics, in fact may not be learnable. Experience does slow the game down a bit, but isn’t ability to process a trait rather than a skill? Which is why a modestly athletic QB like Purdy can outplay a Vince Young or Anthony Richardson?
- How effective will Milroe be in Taysom Hill-type plays when the defense knows what those plays are, knows they’re coming, and Milroe is behind our line rather than NO’s?
All three of these are questions on purpose — they’re my doubts with Milroe and I’d love for someone to put those to bed so I can jump onto the Milroe train too
My hope is that there are no T Hill plays. I figure that will mean that JM is making so much progress on the stuff that matters that MMKK won’t want to divert development time to trick plays. There’s no urgent need to game plan around getting the #92 overall onto the field.
It will be unsurprising when, if Milroe plays really well in the preseason, that the same people preaching patience today will be calling for him to become the starter. Preseason is preseason. Yeah, it would be cool to see him play well, and I think we all would love to see that. But that wouldn't change my opinion of who should be the starter. By all means give Jalen some plays this year to keep defenses honest, and to get him some in-game experience. That will speed him up reading defenses. But hopefully Sam plays well enough that this doesn't become a running discussion all year.
The reality is we're going to see very little of Sam in the preseason, and a whole lot of Drew and Jalen. Hopefully they do well, but not worried about it if they don't.
I think reporters are going to be allowed at OTA's this week, so looking forward to some live reporting on Milroe, the o-line, Arroyo, and Horton. I'm one who thinks Horton could contribute right away. Pretty advanced route running, and all kinds of speed. WR3 might not see the field much anyway, if we spend a lot of time in 21 and 12 personnel, which I expect. Hopefully we see one heck of a lot less empty backfield shotgun sets.
We still don’t know if he’s Lamar Jackson or Justin Fields. But we do know that he has a good chance to be brought along a better path than JF had. So we shall see. Good option play by the team.
Regarding if Horton is ready to produce effectively as a receiver, my expressed opinion there is way too much to learn on how to maneuver defensive NFL players and out wit them to rule on the field in his first season. It took Baldwin and Lockett several seasons to master such.
Baldwin had 51 catches for 788 in year 1. I'd take that in year 1 for Horton as WR3.
Many of the Hawks draft picks seem to be planned with purpose, having a specific vision and roles for these players to hold. Milroe may never be a traditional starting QB. Let's not try to put labels on things...QB, RB, slash, etc...just let these coaches create some schemes to utilize his specific skill set. It'll be fun to watch. Even if you ran an offense around those three concepts you could likely advance the ball with high consistency if executed correctly...but I'd open it up way more than that. I'm more impressed with Milroe's mental makeup than I am with anything. The fact he is so aware of his areas for improvement and willing to work hard to address them will serve him very well. I could see him with a gold jacket someday. I could also see him in a limited and non traditional 'QB' role, and that's fine...he could still prove very valuable.
Exactly. We get to watch him turn into whatever he turns into. Hopefully that 'thing' he becomes gives defenses fits for a decade or more. But we'll have to wait and see. All of the raw material is there, the coaches just need to help him turn that into something lethal. It's so nice to finally have a developmental QB to talk about.
In the best version of the Hawks’ ‘26 offense both Horton and Arroyo have breakout seasons and Milroe sees the field only in mop up. We need to be patient while he relearns his mechanics. Once he believes he can throw the ball everywhere he wants to his decision making will improve exponentially. (We hope.) What he needs is reps. Not in games, in practice. After practice. Constantly watched and consistently coached. If it works, we have something.
One way to consider Milroe’s rookie season is that not playing is a hopeful sign for the future. It could mean that the Seahawks like the way he is developing, want to focus on that, and see no need to squeeze out a return on their investment with an occasional QB draw.
"DING!" Epiphany! Nickname for the coming dominant (?) defense: "HAWKZILLA D"! No? I have high apple pie in the sky hopes for our new D and racking my old noggin for a cool nickname (" Legion 2.0"?). Any good ideas out there in 12-land?
In staying with the comic book theme you could use a spin on the Marvel version of legion of doom which is either cabal or masters of evil...so maybe ' Caballers' or ' blasters of evil'...really this defense needs to develop a personality and then the name will follow...
Sea Kings... "Seekings" like heat seeking missiles, or seeking out contact, or being the king of seeing the play...the 'see' kings. First one...just to get the ball rolling
Hmmm, like the "missle" bit. Mac's Missles? or Mac's Muggers?...Mac's Militia?...
Can't see how the 'Hawks can't use Milroe's talent in some capacity. Would be a nightmare for defenses. Also, fullbacks notwithstanding, I can see Byron as the ball carrier in the 'Tush Push' play...like Godzilla blasting through power lines in Tokyo!
The late, great QB whisperer Bill Walsh famously said that the two most important skills for a QB. is intelligence and accuracy. The two things we already know is that, as of today, Milroe's descion making and accuracy are not close to being NFL ready. If or when he fixes those problems, the hype surrounding him borders on the ludicrous unless he is viewed as a Slash like Cordell Stewart of the Steelers. QB/RB/WR/ KR.
If great athleticism is a qualification for an NFL QB, then maybe we should be drafting Gold Medal Olympic decathlon guys.
By all accounts he is a very intelligent young man. Heisman Scholar. Earned his degree in Business Admin in college. I haven't heard or read anything other than he's a very smart young man. Accuracy is a different story, and he's actively working on that with Jordan Palmer on his own, and with his QB coach Andrew Janocko while with the Seahawks. He does need to adjust his 'grounding' and platform for throwing, and that's the piece he has to sort out to more reliably be accurate with his throws.
None of that is to say he will succeed as a QB. But I see no reason he couldn't. Let's give the young man a chance.
"Could"? Sure, I guess. Nothing has even begun to be decided. We gotta wait til OTAs are done, camp is over and preseason is here before we can start thinking about the actual game depth chart. Just because fans unrealistically expect their excitement about the, especially new, players to push the hands of the clock forward, doesn't mean today isn't still today. The team can't fast forward players' development, no matter how bad the fans want them to.
Funny how the article about Milroe today stresses that people are saying all he needs is time, yet he really needs more than that. It's funny because they're not even able to give him that only thing they say he needs (time) before their own need for content pushes them over the edge of realistic expectations.
Going deep Shaymus. Love it.
That's what she said
😮 lol
I debated about posting that. Unfortunately, it was after I had posted it
It’s all good. Life is boring at times unless someone spices it up.
I’m pulling for Tory Horton. He’s got incredible film you can watch ever since 2022. He has the speed to take the top off the defense, has great hands, and runs great routes. I just wish it wasn’t Sam Monsoon’s take you decided to show us. His takes on the Seahawks have usually been overly negative and lazy. (Going with the general consensus of understating the potential performance of the Hawks)
I’m one of those fans hanging on to that 15% potential to pop with Milroe. Why not? He’s very disciplined and committed to giving it his all to getting there. We could have drafted a Kyler Murray who just wants to play video games and magically improve. So my dream will live until it doesn’t (85%) or we have a young franchise QB for a dozen years (15%)