JSN would be an awesome reciever on any team. On a team with an O-line that keeps Sam clean enough to throw long dimes downfield, he becomes one of a kind. JSN would be the first to acknowledge that his success goes way beyond his personal skill set...which IS considerable. On the Panthers: My 4th Golden shedding machine is almost 14. I've lived in a hair storm for 36 yrs and I've bagged and hauled A LOT of "dog shit" in my day and yes, sadly, the Panthers this yr do bear a striking resemblance to what's in the bag. Happy Thanksgiving fellow 12's! Only two days and a wake up 'til kick off. GO HAWKS!
Am watching Jordan Love missing a WIDE OPEN receiver for a probable TD, and missing another open receiver on a crossing route for a first down in the red zone….
And therefore….
In this holiday season I’m thankful for Sam Darnold
Re: Dewhub. Two things. While JSN has these great stats, this offense is setting him up to be successful. JSN skills are as you’ve have discussed in your rookie season multiple deep dive articles. But Dewhub, you’re missing that the offense is working without JSN. Sheed end arounds. Run game not elite but getting yards. And it is causing most teams to play multiple players in the box. AJ/Sheed/Kupp are being respected (although Kupp really messed up the DBs head for big FD last week). As you note AJ led in targets. JSN getting targets and being massively successful with them. But then about 8ish other players are splitting the rest. Thus it appears has if JSN is dominating but as noted in this article, he’s still targeted for less than half the throws. If one guy gets 45% and 6-8 others get 55%, but those 45% of plays are at one of the most efficient levels ever seen in the NFL, it skews the other 55%. Charbo 7 TDs. Walker 4. AJ and Horton 5 apiece. JSN 7. JSN 25% of the TDs. 75% across 8 others.
Here is some trivia. The Seahawks played the Lions and held Johnson to 46 yards. Unfortunately, they lost the game and then lost the division by one game. Or half a game as it were.
Johnson played 3 more seasons and while there were decent he never approached the 2012 season numbers. That was also the forth season he and Matt were together.
It will be interesting to see going forward how much of this season JSN can come close to.
Seeing 'n re-watching Jackson (from now on will be known as only "J", a single letter) spike the football over the goalpost ~ with the Ref throwing the highest yellow flag i've ever seen (may well be the highest flag thrown ever), Whoa, new records all over. That ref is proud of that throw.
PFF has Johnson running 770 routes on 796 passing snaps in 2012. I'm not sure where things like interceptions, sacks, fumbles, scrambles, etc factor into their numbers. They have Stafford with 801 passing snaps and 776 dropbacks, and Hill with 14 and 13.
Great Q's. Fantastic A's. Good job, Folks. Our running game success will back off reliance on Sam, thereby relaxing him and give our Defense crucial rest. Feels like we are on track with this. Should we tie with the Rams, what variables will it take to give us the Division/Home Games? How do they weigh our loss/Rams win over the Bucs, for instance? Is there a set progression in factors (strength of schedule, total points, etc)?
We are not just seeing the emergence of a star in JSN but the emergence of an all-time great. Any plan B's would be a let down. Hopefully plan B is never needed. In the meantime I plan to sit back and enjoy the ride with the Superbowl window wide open.
I've seen quite a few folks down on Mafe. I am curious what elite elements you believe Mafe brings to the Seahawks' defense. I am not disagreeing with your assessment, just curious what you are seeing.
I feel Mafe is the third most likely player to receive an extension from the 2022 draft class, for what it's worth.
No was more in reference to a couple years ago “elites” write up. Why I did the triple dots. Basically a rhetorical comment. A little pre Thanksgiving snark.
Goal posts change constantly. The NFL quite literally changed the goal posts before. The football, the actual football, has changed multiple times in the Superbowl Era, let alone the full history of the NFL. If it's 16 games, 17 games, 18 games (wouldn't it be weird if the NFL's only undefeated team won less games than say, a team in 2007, because the goal posts changed) a record is a record and we could through a million * on every single on in the book. Or we could be fans and just enjoy the challenge, the pursuit, and hopefully a new biggest number.
I'd love JSN to surpass Johnson! I'd love to win a Superbowl even more. Why can't we have both?
When I took my father to a Seahawks game back in ‘01, I asked him if he had ever been to an NFL game. “Well, your mother and I used to see the Redskins back in 1950 or so. Sammy Baugh was the quarterback.”
I’m stunned. “You mean with leather helmets and H-shaped goal posts on the goal line?”
“Sure. Of course besides the Redskins band, there wasn’t all the hoopla that you have here.”
I can’t remember who we played, but I’ll never forget this!
To go far in the playoffs JSN and the Hawks need Kupp. Shaheed Horton or someone else to step up to take the load off of JSN. If he gets hurt we are in deep excrement. Hopefully there is a plan B.
I bet the Vikes regret trading Darnold for JJ McCarthy. He was at best a 3rd or 4th round pick, a good college QB on a great team. He never had to win a game, just manage the O and don't turn the ball over. Dozens of college QBs could have done the same. Many pro scouts predicted that he would be the biggest bust of all the 1st round QBs. Obviously, they were right.
I have read, during McCarthy's senior year at OSU, where one scout said he was the next Tom Brady. I don't see that element to him but then, again, I'm not a scout....although I used to be a cub scout.
Please see my note below. He’s 25% of the scoring. The other 75% is spread across multiple players. He’s less than 50% of the low number of passing plays. 7-8 each game are the other 55%. Issue is that JSN mastery in efficiency is masking the spread the ball around mentality. And with Horton back. Sheed fully incorporated, improvement in run game, although in playoffs likely getting reduced again, the Darnold targets will be aplenty. Look at Cody’s TD. Kupps big FD catch. The spread the ball around is masked by the incredible efficiency that is JSN. Losing him will be impactful, but it’s not like the rest are bad. Rams lose Puka they will struggle. Cowboys lose Lamb or Pickens struggle. Whiners lose CMC struggle.
I would just add again that JSN doesn’t even have a weird amount of targets for a WR1. He’s 48th in routes run. Not many top WRs can say that they get to rest 30% of the games and play for a 31st ranked passing team while still dominating. The only reason we are talking about “workload” is because of target share but that’s the same as saying the Seahawks need to pass the ball more in general. I don’t see any issue with his work load.
JSN would be an awesome reciever on any team. On a team with an O-line that keeps Sam clean enough to throw long dimes downfield, he becomes one of a kind. JSN would be the first to acknowledge that his success goes way beyond his personal skill set...which IS considerable. On the Panthers: My 4th Golden shedding machine is almost 14. I've lived in a hair storm for 36 yrs and I've bagged and hauled A LOT of "dog shit" in my day and yes, sadly, the Panthers this yr do bear a striking resemblance to what's in the bag. Happy Thanksgiving fellow 12's! Only two days and a wake up 'til kick off. GO HAWKS!
Am watching Jordan Love missing a WIDE OPEN receiver for a probable TD, and missing another open receiver on a crossing route for a first down in the red zone….
And therefore….
In this holiday season I’m thankful for Sam Darnold
And Goff was basically 3 and out his first 2 series.
And nobody in the preseason would have had Darnold ahead of Goff or Love
HAPPY THANKSGIVING TO YOU ALL!
My hope is a heavy dose of Walker and Charbonneau with some effective play action shots.
And at least 100 yards from JSN.
At least 130.2 😎
I’m just looking forward to seeing what Darnold will show this week after his send off from the Vikings. Im tipping he’ll be out to prove something.
Re: Dewhub. Two things. While JSN has these great stats, this offense is setting him up to be successful. JSN skills are as you’ve have discussed in your rookie season multiple deep dive articles. But Dewhub, you’re missing that the offense is working without JSN. Sheed end arounds. Run game not elite but getting yards. And it is causing most teams to play multiple players in the box. AJ/Sheed/Kupp are being respected (although Kupp really messed up the DBs head for big FD last week). As you note AJ led in targets. JSN getting targets and being massively successful with them. But then about 8ish other players are splitting the rest. Thus it appears has if JSN is dominating but as noted in this article, he’s still targeted for less than half the throws. If one guy gets 45% and 6-8 others get 55%, but those 45% of plays are at one of the most efficient levels ever seen in the NFL, it skews the other 55%. Charbo 7 TDs. Walker 4. AJ and Horton 5 apiece. JSN 7. JSN 25% of the TDs. 75% across 8 others.
Here is some trivia. The Seahawks played the Lions and held Johnson to 46 yards. Unfortunately, they lost the game and then lost the division by one game. Or half a game as it were.
Johnson played 3 more seasons and while there were decent he never approached the 2012 season numbers. That was also the forth season he and Matt were together.
It will be interesting to see going forward how much of this season JSN can come close to.
For another example, see Cooper Kupp's stats...
Seeing 'n re-watching Jackson (from now on will be known as only "J", a single letter) spike the football over the goalpost ~ with the Ref throwing the highest yellow flag i've ever seen (may well be the highest flag thrown ever), Whoa, new records all over. That ref is proud of that throw.
I’ve noticed that since then he has celebrated in the non-flag manner.
Super important nuance.
Whereas DKs response was “I am who I am”
PFF has Johnson running 770 routes on 796 passing snaps in 2012. I'm not sure where things like interceptions, sacks, fumbles, scrambles, etc factor into their numbers. They have Stafford with 801 passing snaps and 776 dropbacks, and Hill with 14 and 13.
Nice thanks for that added info!
Great Q's. Fantastic A's. Good job, Folks. Our running game success will back off reliance on Sam, thereby relaxing him and give our Defense crucial rest. Feels like we are on track with this. Should we tie with the Rams, what variables will it take to give us the Division/Home Games? How do they weigh our loss/Rams win over the Bucs, for instance? Is there a set progression in factors (strength of schedule, total points, etc)?
Really depends how the other games go. It’s too early to tell. But the rams have the advantage in most cases right now.
What a Great time to be a Seahawk Fan !
Amen to that, Bro.
We are not just seeing the emergence of a star in JSN but the emergence of an all-time great. Any plan B's would be a let down. Hopefully plan B is never needed. In the meantime I plan to sit back and enjoy the ride with the Superbowl window wide open.
Feeling the Fresh Breeze from that wide-open window.
There’s so much breeze it seems like a whole wall was removed. It’s WIDE open.
Last year, SSJ couldn't identify any of our players as "Elite", much as I hated hearing this. Not so, this year.
Not so this year at all
Yes I expect to see a new elite article and Mafe ranked right up there…..
I've seen quite a few folks down on Mafe. I am curious what elite elements you believe Mafe brings to the Seahawks' defense. I am not disagreeing with your assessment, just curious what you are seeing.
I feel Mafe is the third most likely player to receive an extension from the 2022 draft class, for what it's worth.
No was more in reference to a couple years ago “elites” write up. Why I did the triple dots. Basically a rhetorical comment. A little pre Thanksgiving snark.
Got it... Thanks Randall.
Goal posts change constantly. The NFL quite literally changed the goal posts before. The football, the actual football, has changed multiple times in the Superbowl Era, let alone the full history of the NFL. If it's 16 games, 17 games, 18 games (wouldn't it be weird if the NFL's only undefeated team won less games than say, a team in 2007, because the goal posts changed) a record is a record and we could through a million * on every single on in the book. Or we could be fans and just enjoy the challenge, the pursuit, and hopefully a new biggest number.
I'd love JSN to surpass Johnson! I'd love to win a Superbowl even more. Why can't we have both?
And football charged for one team and player a few years ago….. :-)
When I took my father to a Seahawks game back in ‘01, I asked him if he had ever been to an NFL game. “Well, your mother and I used to see the Redskins back in 1950 or so. Sammy Baugh was the quarterback.”
I’m stunned. “You mean with leather helmets and H-shaped goal posts on the goal line?”
“Sure. Of course besides the Redskins band, there wasn’t all the hoopla that you have here.”
I can’t remember who we played, but I’ll never forget this!
Wonderful Memory !
I've heard they may narrow the uprights.
To go far in the playoffs JSN and the Hawks need Kupp. Shaheed Horton or someone else to step up to take the load off of JSN. If he gets hurt we are in deep excrement. Hopefully there is a plan B.
I bet the Vikes regret trading Darnold for JJ McCarthy. He was at best a 3rd or 4th round pick, a good college QB on a great team. He never had to win a game, just manage the O and don't turn the ball over. Dozens of college QBs could have done the same. Many pro scouts predicted that he would be the biggest bust of all the 1st round QBs. Obviously, they were right.
I have read, during McCarthy's senior year at OSU, where one scout said he was the next Tom Brady. I don't see that element to him but then, again, I'm not a scout....although I used to be a cub scout.
Do you mean Michigan and not OSU?
Please see my note below. He’s 25% of the scoring. The other 75% is spread across multiple players. He’s less than 50% of the low number of passing plays. 7-8 each game are the other 55%. Issue is that JSN mastery in efficiency is masking the spread the ball around mentality. And with Horton back. Sheed fully incorporated, improvement in run game, although in playoffs likely getting reduced again, the Darnold targets will be aplenty. Look at Cody’s TD. Kupps big FD catch. The spread the ball around is masked by the incredible efficiency that is JSN. Losing him will be impactful, but it’s not like the rest are bad. Rams lose Puka they will struggle. Cowboys lose Lamb or Pickens struggle. Whiners lose CMC struggle.
I would just add again that JSN doesn’t even have a weird amount of targets for a WR1. He’s 48th in routes run. Not many top WRs can say that they get to rest 30% of the games and play for a 31st ranked passing team while still dominating. The only reason we are talking about “workload” is because of target share but that’s the same as saying the Seahawks need to pass the ball more in general. I don’t see any issue with his work load.