Jobe, for me, is the priority. Money is the only reason we wouldn't sign him. Stand up guy, super hard worker, self made man, really good player, and tough tackler. He's a Seahawk. John will try to keep him, but if someone is will to pay him like a #1, then he's probably out the door sadly.
It will be interesting to see where JS allocates the cap over the next couple of years. Gotta keep investing in the trenches. We have our LT and RT protected for a few years. Leo is good for another year. D-Law may or may not retire, according to Brady Henderson. Chenna's contract needs to be reworked, and what happens with Mafe. RG is still an open question in my mind as well. We'll hopefully see what Mills is next year. I'm still giggling about his Super Bowl sack.
Trenches Johnny. Need to keep focus on the o-line and d-line. If you can't win there, you can't win anywhere. We saw last year what an elite d-line and a solid o-line can do for a team.
If they leave to big contracts I just hope we are able to keep the comp picks. If not I'll take Woolens skill set over Jobe. The only thing we don't know is the locker room. If they dont blend they cant stay. Locker room has more to do with this team than most.
Jobe feels like Love or Coby to me. Not the most athletic, but just so dependable. If the market doesn't value Jobe or Woolen, I'd happily resign them, but it seems more likely that someone can talk themselves into Woolen being a number 1, than Jobe being a number 1 CB.
Jobe is their best cover corner. It just is what it is… DW cannot cover deep at a high level, or man-cover opposing teams’ #1 receiver at a high level. The nfc championship was not an aberration… see cardinals gamer earlier this year. Before I get flamed, that doesn’t mean DW isn’t a great/all-pro player; it’s just that his skill set and Jobe’s (and Woolen’s for that matter) are different / not-interchangeable. If they lose both woolen and Jobe, there will be holes to fill, and to echo your own answer to the question, sometimes that works, sometimes it takes a few years to find the right guy. Reed was prob worth the 13m in retrospect that we didn’t pay.
Very different skill sets...and DW is great at what he does well but coverage ain't always one of them. I just want someone that can D up Puka and be able to neutralize him.
From the GM's standpoint, the team has to be cheap somewhere. That is especially true when the team just won the SB. It is like a shark feeding frenzy or maybe more like a group of piranha attacking a cow that falls into the river. So maybe I should have voted to let him go. The one that really got away was Michael Jordan. The rest of the league gets cheap with CB's as much as any group. Pete tried to get cheap with the O-Line and it cost us.
Our Defensive Tackles is where we are elite, and with R. Mills we can sort of go cheap for 3 or 4 years and maintain being elite. We need to add something to the Edges. Maxx Crosby would be worth 2 firsts, but they are really high seconds. So maybe we won't win the bidding war unless Crosby really wants to be on a winner. We can save on the O-Line and not draft anyone at all this year. Spend most of our draft capital on a day one starter at CB, and a later round CB.
Not sure if its the SB afterglow or not but right now I'm feeling a need to resign anyone. I'm kinda content to sit in the back sit and watch JS and MM do their thing. Not that I have any choice otherwise but ya, feeling pretty good that they'll make it work! Haha.
Letting both CBs walk would be risky. If one replacement turns out to be Cary Williams, Mike can shuffle and coach around the situation. Pick up two CWs, and the defensive chain snaps.
I suppose that math might help here. Meaning: What's the probability of finding another guy with the same "want-to" of Jobe, and how easy (or difficult) is it to replicate the same approach with a different guy. The math on corners suggests that it's feasible to find decent, serviceable backups and even marginal starters for less. But you might also argue that the Rams just missed the chance on the SB banking on just such a backfield. Consider instead how well the Pats' secondary played against JSN. Maybe this argues that their system is the real star, not just Christian Gonzales. Sure, but I still fear the quick devolution because I think you need two very strong secondary members complimenting a star, to make that secondary less leaky. It doesn't have to be a Jobe, or a Woolen, certainly. But because we have seen a revolving door of meh there's definitely a hazard that letting both walk doesn't get you back to baseline and teams pick apart Seattle next season by just avoiding Spoon. You also have to think that Julian Love probably has one more season at his high bar, and so as usual, it's not just the single player signing you have to concern yourself with. It's the versatility of that chess piece in relation to all the other pieces.
Jo-bee definitely should be the priority and re-signed if he doesn’t cross that line in the sand set by JS (he will be speaking today at 11am pacific time) They should draft a CB in either round 1,2 or 3, and then there’s the chance Marlon Humphrey is this year’s Shaq Griffin. If the Rams take a CB at 13 and not 29, there’s a chance Colton Hood is there at 32. If they look for CB at 64, D’Angelo Ponds could be there.
If they go Edge at 32, TJ Parker or Zion Young. If they go edge at 64 Gabe Jacas or Derrick Moore.
Feels like you have up to four high priority positions to fill and not enough early picks to be satisfied.
I need to get a better sense of urgency (pending FA news), draft depth (developing) and FO approach (BPA vs need).
But I would be upset if we ended up completely overlooking WR in the first 100 picks. Far prefer that we were able to turn those first three rounds into four Day 2 picks in some form and manage to address Edge, CB, WR and RB. One can dream...
Until we find out who gets retained, K9, Shaheed, Jobe, etc… it’s too early to determine the priority of our position needs. If K9 gets a contract, I would not take a RB until day 3. If Shaheed comes back and they feel good about Horton’s health, they can wait until round 3 to think about WR. D-law is old, Chenna is a potential cap casualty, Mafe is most likely gone. Maybe they sign Chubb? But edge is a huge need even if they do. D Hall could leave after this coming season. For CB, I don’t think they are comfortable with Pritchett as CB 3. Maybe they get Humphrey from the Ravens? Both edge and CB are what I see as the best use of day one and two picks.
I’m all for re-signing Jobe. Right attitude, good performance. And he WON’T cost as much as Woolen to keep in the fold.
I get that we can’t and shouldn’t try to keep the band together. I’m good with letting some of them go (see ya later Woolen, Mafe, and likely Bryant). But I don’t think MM wants too much turnover in the D backend.
I kind of thrilled Jobe doesn’t get as much recognition as others. Maybe that keeps his price affordable.
If'n Mr. Josh Jobe has a reasonable Cap hit then fine, he understands that this is a good situation for all conserned. Re-sign him. If another team wants to way overpay him, then Thanks! 'n move on. Seahawks will be ok.
Yeah, I think it’s all about the $. If we can afford it, do it (sign Jobe & Woolen). If we can afford only one, then probably Jobe due to personality concerns. Otherwise, I guess you let both go and trust that you can fill the gap.
To me, this comes down to moving on Bryant AND Jobe AND Woolen. OK, you still have your two best DBs (plus Okada, although I’m skeptical of him as a 17-game starter). But adequately replacing all three?
Bryant and Woolen are likely gone, so keeping Jobe even at a premium sounds like a good idea to me. I’d hate to see the Hawks wind up with Rams-level CBs.
Jobe, for me, is the priority. Money is the only reason we wouldn't sign him. Stand up guy, super hard worker, self made man, really good player, and tough tackler. He's a Seahawk. John will try to keep him, but if someone is will to pay him like a #1, then he's probably out the door sadly.
It will be interesting to see where JS allocates the cap over the next couple of years. Gotta keep investing in the trenches. We have our LT and RT protected for a few years. Leo is good for another year. D-Law may or may not retire, according to Brady Henderson. Chenna's contract needs to be reworked, and what happens with Mafe. RG is still an open question in my mind as well. We'll hopefully see what Mills is next year. I'm still giggling about his Super Bowl sack.
Trenches Johnny. Need to keep focus on the o-line and d-line. If you can't win there, you can't win anywhere. We saw last year what an elite d-line and a solid o-line can do for a team.
If they leave to big contracts I just hope we are able to keep the comp picks. If not I'll take Woolens skill set over Jobe. The only thing we don't know is the locker room. If they dont blend they cant stay. Locker room has more to do with this team than most.
Jobe feels like Love or Coby to me. Not the most athletic, but just so dependable. If the market doesn't value Jobe or Woolen, I'd happily resign them, but it seems more likely that someone can talk themselves into Woolen being a number 1, than Jobe being a number 1 CB.
Jobe is their best cover corner. It just is what it is… DW cannot cover deep at a high level, or man-cover opposing teams’ #1 receiver at a high level. The nfc championship was not an aberration… see cardinals gamer earlier this year. Before I get flamed, that doesn’t mean DW isn’t a great/all-pro player; it’s just that his skill set and Jobe’s (and Woolen’s for that matter) are different / not-interchangeable. If they lose both woolen and Jobe, there will be holes to fill, and to echo your own answer to the question, sometimes that works, sometimes it takes a few years to find the right guy. Reed was prob worth the 13m in retrospect that we didn’t pay.
Very different skill sets...and DW is great at what he does well but coverage ain't always one of them. I just want someone that can D up Puka and be able to neutralize him.
From the GM's standpoint, the team has to be cheap somewhere. That is especially true when the team just won the SB. It is like a shark feeding frenzy or maybe more like a group of piranha attacking a cow that falls into the river. So maybe I should have voted to let him go. The one that really got away was Michael Jordan. The rest of the league gets cheap with CB's as much as any group. Pete tried to get cheap with the O-Line and it cost us.
Our Defensive Tackles is where we are elite, and with R. Mills we can sort of go cheap for 3 or 4 years and maintain being elite. We need to add something to the Edges. Maxx Crosby would be worth 2 firsts, but they are really high seconds. So maybe we won't win the bidding war unless Crosby really wants to be on a winner. We can save on the O-Line and not draft anyone at all this year. Spend most of our draft capital on a day one starter at CB, and a later round CB.
Careers are short. I want guys to get paid. It's a brutal game.
Continuity counts. Knowing what other players are going to do is important. It's a brutal game that happens at a very high speed.
The balance of rewarding players and not unbalancing the team is crucial. It's a brutal game.
Not sure if its the SB afterglow or not but right now I'm feeling a need to resign anyone. I'm kinda content to sit in the back sit and watch JS and MM do their thing. Not that I have any choice otherwise but ya, feeling pretty good that they'll make it work! Haha.
Letting both CBs walk would be risky. If one replacement turns out to be Cary Williams, Mike can shuffle and coach around the situation. Pick up two CWs, and the defensive chain snaps.
I suppose that math might help here. Meaning: What's the probability of finding another guy with the same "want-to" of Jobe, and how easy (or difficult) is it to replicate the same approach with a different guy. The math on corners suggests that it's feasible to find decent, serviceable backups and even marginal starters for less. But you might also argue that the Rams just missed the chance on the SB banking on just such a backfield. Consider instead how well the Pats' secondary played against JSN. Maybe this argues that their system is the real star, not just Christian Gonzales. Sure, but I still fear the quick devolution because I think you need two very strong secondary members complimenting a star, to make that secondary less leaky. It doesn't have to be a Jobe, or a Woolen, certainly. But because we have seen a revolving door of meh there's definitely a hazard that letting both walk doesn't get you back to baseline and teams pick apart Seattle next season by just avoiding Spoon. You also have to think that Julian Love probably has one more season at his high bar, and so as usual, it's not just the single player signing you have to concern yourself with. It's the versatility of that chess piece in relation to all the other pieces.
Love “revolving door of meh”.
Jo-bee definitely should be the priority and re-signed if he doesn’t cross that line in the sand set by JS (he will be speaking today at 11am pacific time) They should draft a CB in either round 1,2 or 3, and then there’s the chance Marlon Humphrey is this year’s Shaq Griffin. If the Rams take a CB at 13 and not 29, there’s a chance Colton Hood is there at 32. If they look for CB at 64, D’Angelo Ponds could be there.
If they go Edge at 32, TJ Parker or Zion Young. If they go edge at 64 Gabe Jacas or Derrick Moore.
Feels like you have up to four high priority positions to fill and not enough early picks to be satisfied.
I need to get a better sense of urgency (pending FA news), draft depth (developing) and FO approach (BPA vs need).
But I would be upset if we ended up completely overlooking WR in the first 100 picks. Far prefer that we were able to turn those first three rounds into four Day 2 picks in some form and manage to address Edge, CB, WR and RB. One can dream...
Until we find out who gets retained, K9, Shaheed, Jobe, etc… it’s too early to determine the priority of our position needs. If K9 gets a contract, I would not take a RB until day 3. If Shaheed comes back and they feel good about Horton’s health, they can wait until round 3 to think about WR. D-law is old, Chenna is a potential cap casualty, Mafe is most likely gone. Maybe they sign Chubb? But edge is a huge need even if they do. D Hall could leave after this coming season. For CB, I don’t think they are comfortable with Pritchett as CB 3. Maybe they get Humphrey from the Ravens? Both edge and CB are what I see as the best use of day one and two picks.
I’m all for re-signing Jobe. Right attitude, good performance. And he WON’T cost as much as Woolen to keep in the fold.
I get that we can’t and shouldn’t try to keep the band together. I’m good with letting some of them go (see ya later Woolen, Mafe, and likely Bryant). But I don’t think MM wants too much turnover in the D backend.
I kind of thrilled Jobe doesn’t get as much recognition as others. Maybe that keeps his price affordable.
That's exactly what I was thinking...'More valuable and yet he might be paid less because of reputations' that sounds like a Johnny Value move to me.
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If'n Mr. Josh Jobe has a reasonable Cap hit then fine, he understands that this is a good situation for all conserned. Re-sign him. If another team wants to way overpay him, then Thanks! 'n move on. Seahawks will be ok.
Yeah, I think it’s all about the $. If we can afford it, do it (sign Jobe & Woolen). If we can afford only one, then probably Jobe due to personality concerns. Otherwise, I guess you let both go and trust that you can fill the gap.
To me, this comes down to moving on Bryant AND Jobe AND Woolen. OK, you still have your two best DBs (plus Okada, although I’m skeptical of him as a 17-game starter). But adequately replacing all three?
Bryant and Woolen are likely gone, so keeping Jobe even at a premium sounds like a good idea to me. I’d hate to see the Hawks wind up with Rams-level CBs.