I’m hoping for Carter at #5, then a trade up from #20 for Robinson in the 9-14 range. A defensive force to anchor the line and a multi faceted tool to make everyone on the offense better. After that another DL, an iOL, WR, LB, in no particular order.
... I must apologize, I was called to Easter dinner and did not read my Post, I got spell checked brutally
All I want is an app that will find spelling errors. It drives me crazy when I write if and it's changed to of. So I apologize and hope you got the gust of what I was trying to say, regardless if you agree with my position. Obviously with all of us are not privy to Seattle's draft thoughts, however I do enjoy reading people's possible theories. To finish, my pet pevee are when these YouTube experts give their opinion without doing there homework. One I listened to today was about the Seahawks trade for Clive Edward's Hilaire. This fellow wasn't sure if Seattle drafted 21st or 27th with their second first round pick. He also said we had lost Travis Homer, correct and another back who I had never heard of. On this site "your average Joe" haha, knows all this information. Joe's writing and the comments come from a position of knowledge. If I agree or don't is not the point, the thought out writing is. Well done Seaside Joe community.
You stated, "The size/speed combo of someone like Murphy is enticing for obvious reasons but maybe teams have simply overrated the value of those traits without giving enough attention to how other prospects go above-and-beyond their physical abilities to become “steals” who go later in the draft."
Laziness leads reporters, scouts, bloggers, and fans to just look at the testing numbers and try to find that "miracle drug", "magic pill", etc. BUT, like you stated, folks overlook what's make them "steals", or probable successful pros. The thing(s) that make them steals are how they take those measurables and apply their ability to learn/ be coached, their passion to succeed, and their application of football playing technique at their position. Some of this can be gleaned by watching film, but some also cannot. JSPC try to interview them to see who is hungry, who has the drive, and who wants to compete with all they have to becone the best they can. THOSE are the things that make a guy successful, and you hear it from them constantly. It is built into the program, itself... compete every day. I'm glad to finally be a part of a community where the lazy take that goes no deeper than the stats is left to the other Joes.
Intuitively, it’s hard to excited about a player (Murphy) who started the college game as five-star recruit, had a good freshman year, and then didn’t seem to capitalize on that. It smacks of burnout.
I obviously don't have anymore insight to what the Seahawks may do in the draft. This will hinge on weather Seattle thinks they have a selection worthy of a number 5 pick. I have a suspicion that Seattle will trade down but 9 or 10 is as far as they would go. My guess the Hawks will take the best football player in tye draft. The testing numbers are very good and the tape is even better. How much will Seattle gamble that their man is still there, the player being Bjon Robinson. Robinson is a multi positional player. He can run between the tackles. He can run outside. Most importantly he can Excell as a slot receiver a position Seattle needs to fill. There are so many things you can do with Robinson and Walker being on the field at the same time. Robinson is a 3 down back, it's just one of those downs should be from the slot. His route running is considered better than all but 2 or 3 receivers in the draft. With players like Breese, Murphy, and Mazi Smith etc. Seattle should be able to land two highly thought of defensive players. Running the 3/4 defense is best played with a big edge player on Downs 1 and 2 then on 3rd down this player can reduce and play inside filling the Michael Bennett role. A trade down to add another second down player and 5 years or more from Robinson is worth looking at. It is something I would do, the gamble will any of the next 4 or 5 teams select Robinson ? Of I could use a bigger question mark I would.
For premiere ends this year, here's my read. Murphy is good, BUT, he is on a team with an elite defensive front and rarely is doubled/checked (the tape always shows a collapsing pocket - Clemson's front is devastating). Tyree Wilson is good, BUT, appears slow off the line (is it just me). Tuli Tuipulotu is a sleeper, perhaps because Pac12 (he looks the part of NFL starter day 1). Anderson... well he's just good, real good, really really good (don't care about measurements/times/etc).
I've seen a lot of mock drafts, and I've run a bunch just for shits and giggles. Here's the bottom line; the only one that really cares what the "experts" think are the expers themselves.
Further, lots of gm's think they know, and don't. The ones you can trust are the gm/coaches that have been in the NFL since fire was invented, or invented something hotter. They put their knowledge and understanding of young atheletes on the line every year. Lot's of mistakes are made, mostly because they are dealing with man-children.
And they don't say diddly about what and who they think rocks.
Well I would take that challenge... wait a minute, you have 1500 subscribers and ... nope, not going to go through every comment, nope, nada, still I would say with the same confidence that the hawks are not going to sign edgar hoogarbeets, that someone here said a TU at #5 made sense.
Measurable are nice (see Richardson) but I think game film is what counts. Richardson played all of 12 games in college! By what measure is he a top 5 pick? Evaluate Murphy by his production in games against top fligh talent. That's all that should matter when considering a 1st round pick !
Maybe it's just the time during the draft process where people like pointing out warts but I'm getting the impression that a lot of guys are overrated who are projected to go top 10. I saw this video on Anderson and Wilson and the reviewer was not impressed despite their physical attributes. I'm coming to the conclusion that we vastly overrate potential and we should be looking more and more at actual results and demonstrable skills.
This keeps bringing me back to Jalen Carter... I've seen a number of videos showing his quick getoff and ability to put together a variety of moves... moves that a lot of these other guys don't seem to have. I think at this point I'll actually be disappointed if the Hawks don't get Carter at 5.
Both Anderson (A++) & Carter (A) are great prospects (the video you reference is more an advertisement than a breakdown. What you look for is the ability to beat lineman 1v1 & 1v2 and follow the play. Anderson is absolutely crazy on tape (frequently 1v2 & still finds room). Carter was doubled for 1/2 the snaps this year (watched Alabama & Tenn replay) & he still made an impact. Why? Well, we all know why. Contrarians come out this time of year - beware.
If it were Anderson and Carter at 5 it would be a very tough call for me. Wilson is for me a level below both but still a top half of the draft in the first round in most years because of his attributes and year to year improvement. That being said I don’t think he is a top 5 prospect. I get the impression that most here though not all hope Carter falls to 5. The fear is that neither do.
Tough call? For me it would be: "Ed McMahon on the phone - you just won the best player in 2023 (Anderson)?" Yesssss. Balloons drop, people dance about. No hesitation.
I think there’s a pattern to Seahawk drafting as relates to the top half of the first round. In the top half, the Seahawks, draft an elite college player. (Cross -9, Thomas - 12, and Okung -6). After that with their top picks, the Seahawks draft elite athletes like most recently Mafee and Metcalf or elite college players who are undervalued because of position, most recently Walker or physical attributes most famously Wilson but also Tate, Lockett, etc. or trade the pick for an established elite pro-player.
With that in mind, I cannot see the Seahawks going for Murphy at 5. (For the same reason I don’t see them going for Richardson or Levis). 20 is a swing pick because for most teams, including the Seahawks, between 16 and 20 is the point in the draft where all of the players with a first round grade are gone.
As a forced first round pick Murphy is a possibility (cannot trade down), but the Seahawks are essentially drafting Mafee again. Depending on the board it could happen but it just seems like there will be better options.
They take the athletes, but they try to take the ones that have the "it" factor. Did they overcome challenges? Do they have a burning passion to be the best? Are they leaders? It fits the competition environment of the program, and they clearly believe in it.
Run to the podium @20 for who???? Not Myles Murphy, though we might do a fast walk for him.
Who will fall to 20 that belongs much higher? Honestly, there are so few can't miss prospects, I cannot think of anyone I would run to the podium for - that is realistic. I'd run for Young or Stroud. I'd shuffle really fast for Bijan.
Our 37th pick in the draft is more likely to have players fall far enough to warrant a good jog, if not an actual sprint. Mazi Smith used to be available @37 but no more.
If Myles Murphy or Nolan Smith fell to 37 I'd run to the podium, sure. I've pulled the trigger at 37 for Branch, who is a safety and I'm not really looking for a safety, but he'd be worth taking there I think. M.Meyer fell to 37 in one draft, and I didn't hesitate.
Murphy is clearly an option if other paths don't remain open. I prefer Nolan Smith to Murphy, though. If Murphy is projected to the DE position I'd be more excited, but he's an OLB in our system, and I don't see the fit, really, plus he displaces Boye Taylor.
I’m hoping for Carter at #5, then a trade up from #20 for Robinson in the 9-14 range. A defensive force to anchor the line and a multi faceted tool to make everyone on the offense better. After that another DL, an iOL, WR, LB, in no particular order.
... I must apologize, I was called to Easter dinner and did not read my Post, I got spell checked brutally
All I want is an app that will find spelling errors. It drives me crazy when I write if and it's changed to of. So I apologize and hope you got the gust of what I was trying to say, regardless if you agree with my position. Obviously with all of us are not privy to Seattle's draft thoughts, however I do enjoy reading people's possible theories. To finish, my pet pevee are when these YouTube experts give their opinion without doing there homework. One I listened to today was about the Seahawks trade for Clive Edward's Hilaire. This fellow wasn't sure if Seattle drafted 21st or 27th with their second first round pick. He also said we had lost Travis Homer, correct and another back who I had never heard of. On this site "your average Joe" haha, knows all this information. Joe's writing and the comments come from a position of knowledge. If I agree or don't is not the point, the thought out writing is. Well done Seaside Joe community.
Your spellchecker has attitude -
I remember once I asked Clyde Edward’s Hilaire out for a date and he was PISSED, he’s so possessive!
I think you hit the nail on the head, Mr. Ken.
You stated, "The size/speed combo of someone like Murphy is enticing for obvious reasons but maybe teams have simply overrated the value of those traits without giving enough attention to how other prospects go above-and-beyond their physical abilities to become “steals” who go later in the draft."
Laziness leads reporters, scouts, bloggers, and fans to just look at the testing numbers and try to find that "miracle drug", "magic pill", etc. BUT, like you stated, folks overlook what's make them "steals", or probable successful pros. The thing(s) that make them steals are how they take those measurables and apply their ability to learn/ be coached, their passion to succeed, and their application of football playing technique at their position. Some of this can be gleaned by watching film, but some also cannot. JSPC try to interview them to see who is hungry, who has the drive, and who wants to compete with all they have to becone the best they can. THOSE are the things that make a guy successful, and you hear it from them constantly. It is built into the program, itself... compete every day. I'm glad to finally be a part of a community where the lazy take that goes no deeper than the stats is left to the other Joes.
Oh, and let's not let the secret out to those other teams that they overvalue the stats.
Intuitively, it’s hard to excited about a player (Murphy) who started the college game as five-star recruit, had a good freshman year, and then didn’t seem to capitalize on that. It smacks of burnout.
I obviously don't have anymore insight to what the Seahawks may do in the draft. This will hinge on weather Seattle thinks they have a selection worthy of a number 5 pick. I have a suspicion that Seattle will trade down but 9 or 10 is as far as they would go. My guess the Hawks will take the best football player in tye draft. The testing numbers are very good and the tape is even better. How much will Seattle gamble that their man is still there, the player being Bjon Robinson. Robinson is a multi positional player. He can run between the tackles. He can run outside. Most importantly he can Excell as a slot receiver a position Seattle needs to fill. There are so many things you can do with Robinson and Walker being on the field at the same time. Robinson is a 3 down back, it's just one of those downs should be from the slot. His route running is considered better than all but 2 or 3 receivers in the draft. With players like Breese, Murphy, and Mazi Smith etc. Seattle should be able to land two highly thought of defensive players. Running the 3/4 defense is best played with a big edge player on Downs 1 and 2 then on 3rd down this player can reduce and play inside filling the Michael Bennett role. A trade down to add another second down player and 5 years or more from Robinson is worth looking at. It is something I would do, the gamble will any of the next 4 or 5 teams select Robinson ? Of I could use a bigger question mark I would.
For premiere ends this year, here's my read. Murphy is good, BUT, he is on a team with an elite defensive front and rarely is doubled/checked (the tape always shows a collapsing pocket - Clemson's front is devastating). Tyree Wilson is good, BUT, appears slow off the line (is it just me). Tuli Tuipulotu is a sleeper, perhaps because Pac12 (he looks the part of NFL starter day 1). Anderson... well he's just good, real good, really really good (don't care about measurements/times/etc).
I've seen a lot of mock drafts, and I've run a bunch just for shits and giggles. Here's the bottom line; the only one that really cares what the "experts" think are the expers themselves.
Further, lots of gm's think they know, and don't. The ones you can trust are the gm/coaches that have been in the NFL since fire was invented, or invented something hotter. They put their knowledge and understanding of young atheletes on the line every year. Lot's of mistakes are made, mostly because they are dealing with man-children.
And they don't say diddly about what and who they think rocks.
Don't trade up from 5 for any player. Nobody's worth 2 #1's
I agree, Idon't think that's being suggest anywhere, who are you referring to, Robert?
Pick a site, any site... I'm sure there's someone on the site that ferverently espouses the trade up.
Well, what about… this site? Haha
In your defense: I wrote an article about trading up. Good news though: it’s not going to happen
Well I would take that challenge... wait a minute, you have 1500 subscribers and ... nope, not going to go through every comment, nope, nada, still I would say with the same confidence that the hawks are not going to sign edgar hoogarbeets, that someone here said a TU at #5 made sense.
Great work on reaching 1500!
Measurable are nice (see Richardson) but I think game film is what counts. Richardson played all of 12 games in college! By what measure is he a top 5 pick? Evaluate Murphy by his production in games against top fligh talent. That's all that should matter when considering a 1st round pick !
For sure, Nicholas. Around here, I don't think anyone has suggested Richardson should be the pick
Maybe it's just the time during the draft process where people like pointing out warts but I'm getting the impression that a lot of guys are overrated who are projected to go top 10. I saw this video on Anderson and Wilson and the reviewer was not impressed despite their physical attributes. I'm coming to the conclusion that we vastly overrate potential and we should be looking more and more at actual results and demonstrable skills.
This keeps bringing me back to Jalen Carter... I've seen a number of videos showing his quick getoff and ability to put together a variety of moves... moves that a lot of these other guys don't seem to have. I think at this point I'll actually be disappointed if the Hawks don't get Carter at 5.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZiAa2Cs3_w
Both Anderson (A++) & Carter (A) are great prospects (the video you reference is more an advertisement than a breakdown. What you look for is the ability to beat lineman 1v1 & 1v2 and follow the play. Anderson is absolutely crazy on tape (frequently 1v2 & still finds room). Carter was doubled for 1/2 the snaps this year (watched Alabama & Tenn replay) & he still made an impact. Why? Well, we all know why. Contrarians come out this time of year - beware.
If it were Anderson and Carter at 5 it would be a very tough call for me. Wilson is for me a level below both but still a top half of the draft in the first round in most years because of his attributes and year to year improvement. That being said I don’t think he is a top 5 prospect. I get the impression that most here though not all hope Carter falls to 5. The fear is that neither do.
Tough call? For me it would be: "Ed McMahon on the phone - you just won the best player in 2023 (Anderson)?" Yesssss. Balloons drop, people dance about. No hesitation.
Your are absolutely right
See my post !
I think there’s a pattern to Seahawk drafting as relates to the top half of the first round. In the top half, the Seahawks, draft an elite college player. (Cross -9, Thomas - 12, and Okung -6). After that with their top picks, the Seahawks draft elite athletes like most recently Mafee and Metcalf or elite college players who are undervalued because of position, most recently Walker or physical attributes most famously Wilson but also Tate, Lockett, etc. or trade the pick for an established elite pro-player.
With that in mind, I cannot see the Seahawks going for Murphy at 5. (For the same reason I don’t see them going for Richardson or Levis). 20 is a swing pick because for most teams, including the Seahawks, between 16 and 20 is the point in the draft where all of the players with a first round grade are gone.
As a forced first round pick Murphy is a possibility (cannot trade down), but the Seahawks are essentially drafting Mafee again. Depending on the board it could happen but it just seems like there will be better options.
They take the athletes, but they try to take the ones that have the "it" factor. Did they overcome challenges? Do they have a burning passion to be the best? Are they leaders? It fits the competition environment of the program, and they clearly believe in it.
Wasn’t Thomas 14th? Your point is well-taken.
Love the “Why Draft?” series! Great work SJ!
One more for 1500! Good job 👏 Yay! WooHoo! Awesome! That’s a lot of words.
Run to the podium @20 for who???? Not Myles Murphy, though we might do a fast walk for him.
Who will fall to 20 that belongs much higher? Honestly, there are so few can't miss prospects, I cannot think of anyone I would run to the podium for - that is realistic. I'd run for Young or Stroud. I'd shuffle really fast for Bijan.
Our 37th pick in the draft is more likely to have players fall far enough to warrant a good jog, if not an actual sprint. Mazi Smith used to be available @37 but no more.
If Myles Murphy or Nolan Smith fell to 37 I'd run to the podium, sure. I've pulled the trigger at 37 for Branch, who is a safety and I'm not really looking for a safety, but he'd be worth taking there I think. M.Meyer fell to 37 in one draft, and I didn't hesitate.
Murphy is clearly an option if other paths don't remain open. I prefer Nolan Smith to Murphy, though. If Murphy is projected to the DE position I'd be more excited, but he's an OLB in our system, and I don't see the fit, really, plus he displaces Boye Taylor.
At 20 Boogie for Bijan (if he was still there).
Keep on truckin, man.