Not that anybody on this thread really cares, but the Apple Cup is tied at the third quarter, 12 minute mark and the WSU Cougars clearly won "The most important 8 minutes in football." Lets see how it ends.
All I know is the offense looks horrible. Shane better get it together or he’ll be gone before Geno. It seems 11 and 12 man formations are a strength. You can get creative from any formation in football is my belief. They might as well run the the Wishbone. Geez this season is so frustrating! May the 12s be with you! 🏈🏈Go Seahawks🏈🏈
I feel like classifying the offense as "one of the league's worst" is just flat-out wrong. I think as a fanbase we've been bracing ourselves for the wheels to come off so much, and have been exposed to such a high level of doomcasting and naysaying, that we've let all that negativity cloud our judgement. Most importantly, because the offense is DISAPPOINTING, we've conflated that with it being terrible. That simply ignores what's going on in the rest of the league.
In order to be "one of the worst" offenses in the NFL, we would have to be a bottom-5 offense. Just of the top of my head, I would say that the following squads are notably worse: both NY teams, LV, CAR, ATL, NE, TEN, PIT, WAS. By PPG, the Hawks currently rank 19th. That isn't "one of the worst", its MID. Its disappointing. It's underperforming, it's in desperate need of improvement, it's frustrating. I'm not saying the team shouldn't be criticised, I'm not saying we don't have the right to be frustrated, but let's stay accurate.
In the NFL, there are quarterbacks that elevate the whole team. Pete Carol Seems to feel that’s the team should be out there doing their best to help Geno Smith. I see nothing but constant finger-pointing until the quarterback situation is straightened out.
Saw Colby open over the middle again last night but clearly not part of the play. Geno could have got rid of the ball quickly on that play and didn’t. Against a defense like that, we need TEs with quick over the middle plays. I liked another question last night, “what’s the offensive identity”. We don’t have one. I counter anyone who says PC is a running coach. We’re not and really never have been. Bummed
Yeah, I agree its weird the TEs are so under-utilized, that's been going on way too long. But this offense has much bigger problems than specific routes run and who is getting targets, especially a rookie WR. I know you chose to isolate this comment and expound on it but if this was Pete's biggest criticism for the offense, the next few weeks will be really ugly.
This team, in a word, is PATHETIC. We are now 6 and 5 with loses to the Cowboys, Niners and Eagles next making us 6 and 8 with 3 games left . Best case is 9 and 8 if we win the last 3 remaining games, which is optimistic . The look of bewilderment on Pete's face after the game says it all. We are doing less with more.
Geno and Waldron have to go. The play calling is disjointed and Geno's slow eyes misses open recievers. The half time adjustments are non existent. Too many 3 and outs leave an improving D worn out Fortuntetly most of the pieces for a SB run are in place. A good, young QB and a innovative OC is all that's needed.
It took PC this long to figure out those things? He should borrow Geno's apt self-description as a "thumb guy" and not make veiled references to anyone else. Behind the scenes he should be lowering some boom (oh OK, "telling the truth") on several underperformers under his command.
The OL ain't great and to my eyes that's a bad problem. Losing Lucas thus far should not have been the reason; plenty of better OLs have had their share of key injuries. Haven't Brown, Lewis, Haynes and Cross been pretty healthy, and Jason Peters playing OK?
A thought. With the exception of Geno, Tyler, DK, and Dissley, the offense is pretty young. There is no strong, proven veteran leadership. Especially on the line. Tyler and DK are out on the ends, Dissley is quiet, and Geno... I think he's got his hands full just dealing with his own issues. Ken said it well last week: they've got a playbook but not an offense.
People want Pete to retire to a position as coach emeritus, but I think that's pretty much what he is now. He delegates real authority to his OC's and to John Schneider. He doesn't call the plays like many coaches. He signs off on the plans and all, but he doesn't impose his plan unless their plans fail.
What you describe is the beginning of the end for Waldron, I believe. High time, I guess.
Interesting comments from Pete. From those, I’d say he’s losing patience with Waldron and maybe Geno (& whoever is QB coach?). It’s unlike him to say negative stuff like that about anything. Maybe, hopefully, he’ll finally do something about the rot that seems to have set in.
Bobo's circus catch for the TD is still "the best", just sayin'.
And remembering Geno "not seeing" a wide open JSN for a likely TD in one of the early season games sticks out. For whatever reason, Geno has been forcing the ball to DK and it ain't working. I can't believe Waldron has directed him to do that.
Not that anybody on this thread really cares, but the Apple Cup is tied at the third quarter, 12 minute mark and the WSU Cougars clearly won "The most important 8 minutes in football." Lets see how it ends.
All I know is the offense looks horrible. Shane better get it together or he’ll be gone before Geno. It seems 11 and 12 man formations are a strength. You can get creative from any formation in football is my belief. They might as well run the the Wishbone. Geez this season is so frustrating! May the 12s be with you! 🏈🏈Go Seahawks🏈🏈
Offensive TD to FGM ratio of Seahawks and division leaders:
Seahawks: 19/25
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Miami: 39/9
Baltimore: 34/19
Jacksonville: 22/20
Kansas City: 23/19
Philadelphia: 30/18
Detroit: 35/13
New Orleans: 20/19
San Francisco: 37/17
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Other (teams with a better record than Seattle)
Cleveland: 19/26
Houston: 24/18
Pittsburgh: 14/22
Dallas: 33/22
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Other (teams with the same record as Seattle)
Buffalo: 34/16
Minnesota: 27/17
We’re making this too hard. The Seahawks’ key skill position players (at least 300 snaps) are below. Rank order them in ability:
Zach Charbonnet
Noah Fant
Tyler Lockett
DK Metcalf
Colby Parkinson
Geno Smith
Jaxon Smith-Njigba
Kenneth Walker III
I feel like classifying the offense as "one of the league's worst" is just flat-out wrong. I think as a fanbase we've been bracing ourselves for the wheels to come off so much, and have been exposed to such a high level of doomcasting and naysaying, that we've let all that negativity cloud our judgement. Most importantly, because the offense is DISAPPOINTING, we've conflated that with it being terrible. That simply ignores what's going on in the rest of the league.
In order to be "one of the worst" offenses in the NFL, we would have to be a bottom-5 offense. Just of the top of my head, I would say that the following squads are notably worse: both NY teams, LV, CAR, ATL, NE, TEN, PIT, WAS. By PPG, the Hawks currently rank 19th. That isn't "one of the worst", its MID. Its disappointing. It's underperforming, it's in desperate need of improvement, it's frustrating. I'm not saying the team shouldn't be criticised, I'm not saying we don't have the right to be frustrated, but let's stay accurate.
In the NFL, there are quarterbacks that elevate the whole team. Pete Carol Seems to feel that’s the team should be out there doing their best to help Geno Smith. I see nothing but constant finger-pointing until the quarterback situation is straightened out.
Saw Colby open over the middle again last night but clearly not part of the play. Geno could have got rid of the ball quickly on that play and didn’t. Against a defense like that, we need TEs with quick over the middle plays. I liked another question last night, “what’s the offensive identity”. We don’t have one. I counter anyone who says PC is a running coach. We’re not and really never have been. Bummed
Hoping this is the first step in the "head's are gonna roll" process
Yeah, I agree its weird the TEs are so under-utilized, that's been going on way too long. But this offense has much bigger problems than specific routes run and who is getting targets, especially a rookie WR. I know you chose to isolate this comment and expound on it but if this was Pete's biggest criticism for the offense, the next few weeks will be really ugly.
At this point, trading Metcalf for a high draft pick wouldn't bother me at all.
This team, in a word, is PATHETIC. We are now 6 and 5 with loses to the Cowboys, Niners and Eagles next making us 6 and 8 with 3 games left . Best case is 9 and 8 if we win the last 3 remaining games, which is optimistic . The look of bewilderment on Pete's face after the game says it all. We are doing less with more.
Geno and Waldron have to go. The play calling is disjointed and Geno's slow eyes misses open recievers. The half time adjustments are non existent. Too many 3 and outs leave an improving D worn out Fortuntetly most of the pieces for a SB run are in place. A good, young QB and a innovative OC is all that's needed.
It took PC this long to figure out those things? He should borrow Geno's apt self-description as a "thumb guy" and not make veiled references to anyone else. Behind the scenes he should be lowering some boom (oh OK, "telling the truth") on several underperformers under his command.
The OL ain't great and to my eyes that's a bad problem. Losing Lucas thus far should not have been the reason; plenty of better OLs have had their share of key injuries. Haven't Brown, Lewis, Haynes and Cross been pretty healthy, and Jason Peters playing OK?
A thought. With the exception of Geno, Tyler, DK, and Dissley, the offense is pretty young. There is no strong, proven veteran leadership. Especially on the line. Tyler and DK are out on the ends, Dissley is quiet, and Geno... I think he's got his hands full just dealing with his own issues. Ken said it well last week: they've got a playbook but not an offense.
People want Pete to retire to a position as coach emeritus, but I think that's pretty much what he is now. He delegates real authority to his OC's and to John Schneider. He doesn't call the plays like many coaches. He signs off on the plans and all, but he doesn't impose his plan unless their plans fail.
What you describe is the beginning of the end for Waldron, I believe. High time, I guess.
Interesting comments from Pete. From those, I’d say he’s losing patience with Waldron and maybe Geno (& whoever is QB coach?). It’s unlike him to say negative stuff like that about anything. Maybe, hopefully, he’ll finally do something about the rot that seems to have set in.
Bobo's circus catch for the TD is still "the best", just sayin'.
And remembering Geno "not seeing" a wide open JSN for a likely TD in one of the early season games sticks out. For whatever reason, Geno has been forcing the ball to DK and it ain't working. I can't believe Waldron has directed him to do that.