Smart move. You want options going into the draft which is why I hope they also sign one or two free agents for the defensive front seven. Sometimes you have no choice but to draft for need but it's a dangerous game. I'd still like to see a second round pick of Maunch or Avila who are considered guard/centers. And yes, release Jackson.
Using their second second round pick or a third on iOL would seem fair for Pete. Priorities probably at edge, DT with two of their first three picks, maybe adding in LB, and the big huge question mark at QB. Nobody can really say outside of Pete and John and their tight inner circle. The only thing I feel very confident in about their positional preferences is that front-seven is the priority. Offensively, Pete's never shown any proclivity for iOL any earlier than the 60s.
The dream here is that Mauch is still on the board for our #52, with other teams having passed due to his inexperience. Whilst we can then come through with one of the most physically gifted IOL we've seen in years, and that fits Waldrons blocking scheme to total perfection. Slot him at G or C. Vorhees also seems to be sliding down some rankings, and i can't quite see why, but puts him in a 3rd/4th round range alongside Tippmann, Oluwatimi & Forsyth all of whom can fit in at C or be shifted to G (especially when one or two of these will fall to the 5th & our #153/156 pick).
Maunch was my guy but I've been tilting toward Avila. Tippmann looks good too and should be available in the 80ish range. Unfortunately, the free agent market for centers is thin and I suspect a number of teams like the Jets will be opting for a younger, cheaper center. Fingers crossed.
Less hot on Avila personally, maybe because i think he falls into the 3rd round range where we only have one pick and i'm usually looking at that going to a TE who's fallen or a DLine player. Tippmann i "fear" is going to test amazingly at the combine and shoot up the boards, and he's versititle enough to play G or C.
I agree with all of this. Did Daniel Jones fire his agent because he wasn't getting $45 million a year ? On what planet would one playoff win earn you more than Daka's contract,a contract a lot of people hate, I don't. I sure hope Drew Lock picked up Shane's offense. He was a turnover machine, but he had very poor coaching throughout college and the Pro's. Drew can do it, and Geno must know no team will shell out $45 million for.any QB ,including Carr
I think that's exactly why Jones switched agents. $45 mil and more guaranteed. BTW, I think Geno is better than Carr. I'd give Geno $45/mil apy AFTER he's taken us to the next level. The top tier QBs will be making $60/mil apy as soon as next year.
Avila and Tippman could go in that range. It's hard to predict how quickly centers will leave the board. I've seen a mock that had Buffalo taking Avila at #27. I think that's doubtful but who knows?
The more I look at it, the more I think we should trade out of 5 unless there’s a qb they love. Sucks to not use a rare top 5 pick, but consensus seems to be that the drop off starts after 3. And I feel like it does after 2 (Young and Anderson); Bijan notwithstanding.
This team needs as many bites at the apple as possible. And I hope they focus on 2023 picks rather than 2024 ones. They may drop roughly a round in value but it’s another year of growth and development with professional coaching and an NFL strength and conditioning program.
This is a head fake to maybe camouflage the Seahawks' intentions in terms of drafting a G. If there is someone they like that has the potential to start day 1 and that guy is available on day 2, they draft him. Haynes is a stop-gap at best you would think.
Pete sees Haynes as a starter and he was a key part of the line that ignited Penny during the last five games of 2021. I think the one-year deal is a trial to determine if he can hold up physically as a fulltime starter. Even if we draft/sign another guard, a backup like Haynes if valuable.
That seems unnecessary. A one-year contract for a part time guard is simply a one-year contract for a part time guard. I see it giving Seattle an option to lead the competition but surely doesn't make teams think "Ah, Seahawks won't draft a guard on day two!" and I don't see why that would even matter. This isn't a huge deal, but worthy of it's own Seaside Joe for sure.
Great news! I wonder if this means there’s any movement on a Geno decision. We usually like to sign our biggest free agent first and only start signing others afterwards or when we’ve decided to move on. However, this is also a needed cap move to be able to cut Gabe to make room for a Geno re-signing. It’s also a small enough move to maybe mean nothing, but the timing seems odd to me. Any chance it’s a more sizable deal than a couple mil?
Probably unrelated, the Seahawks needed to have a guard on the roster ahead of cutting Jackson and his cost shouldn't be much different than a replacement level player that they would need in any case.
We seem more than likely to draft IOL late in this draft, if at all. Still, we should improve year over year just because of the growth we can expect from our two rookie tackles. Haynes always seemed OK, but not good. Below average, but serviceable, and that is what we are paying for. And he has never played a full season without injury. I still hope they have enough faith in one of these centers, in the draft this year. But not before 51. Later would be fine, too. Stromberg will go late. As for guard, I don't mind if they get another cheap vet to compete with Haynes if they don't want to spend any draft capital on the spot. Possibly, because they think the talent stinks.
Figuring out the stock market and economy is really really hard. So is the draft, and it is many magnitude's less complex than our economy. Still, it is a near impossible task to keep track of all the variables, and even if you can do that, you still have to assign values on every player, and those are subjective and cannot be validated with stats or film with definitiveness.
Watching the playoffs made me really want a dominant o line. I want Schmitz, Mafi, and Torrence or Vorhees because of his cool name. Guys who didn’t allow a sack in their senior season or even college careers. They could all probably be had in the 2nd or 3rd and beyond. Seems a more likely hit rate than another mid round edge rusher. Just pay for proven veterans there on top of the young uns we have. We could have a really great line in a year or two.
I’m happy with this move. Phil Haynes is a “Seahawk” and he has provided good play when healthy. He’s a hardworking guy who shows loyalty and a willingness to be flexible when asked to do different things. This also almost guarantees the Gabe Jackson will be cut which saves us a tiny bit of cap space.
The hawks need another young guard and centre. They also need several DI's. Big nasty buggers that will stop the bad guys offensive line from getting to the second level, plus putting pressure up the middle. Pop the pocket and let those speedy lighter edge (the 250-280lb) guys feast on the confusion.
Build a foundation for the coming years, then find a game manager QB, someone that won't collapse the cap in one year.
Surely will need more depth, they have only 2 Gs and 0 Cs signed for 2023, assuming a Jacksone release. Thanks for your comment, enjoy 30 days free to premium on the house!
It's a good signing in need of competition. Gabe Jackson inches closer to the door. The injury concern with Phil is real . Depending on the size of the contract, we need at least one more "player" at the position. Too bad Stone's leavers are too big to slide inside.
Hedge or no hedge, every team needs adequate depth on the OL and Haynes is definitely worthy to keep for a fifth year and hope for the best. Definitely needed to make some type of veteran move ahead of the draft.
Smart move. You want options going into the draft which is why I hope they also sign one or two free agents for the defensive front seven. Sometimes you have no choice but to draft for need but it's a dangerous game. I'd still like to see a second round pick of Maunch or Avila who are considered guard/centers. And yes, release Jackson.
Using their second second round pick or a third on iOL would seem fair for Pete. Priorities probably at edge, DT with two of their first three picks, maybe adding in LB, and the big huge question mark at QB. Nobody can really say outside of Pete and John and their tight inner circle. The only thing I feel very confident in about their positional preferences is that front-seven is the priority. Offensively, Pete's never shown any proclivity for iOL any earlier than the 60s.
The dream here is that Mauch is still on the board for our #52, with other teams having passed due to his inexperience. Whilst we can then come through with one of the most physically gifted IOL we've seen in years, and that fits Waldrons blocking scheme to total perfection. Slot him at G or C. Vorhees also seems to be sliding down some rankings, and i can't quite see why, but puts him in a 3rd/4th round range alongside Tippmann, Oluwatimi & Forsyth all of whom can fit in at C or be shifted to G (especially when one or two of these will fall to the 5th & our #153/156 pick).
Maunch was my guy but I've been tilting toward Avila. Tippmann looks good too and should be available in the 80ish range. Unfortunately, the free agent market for centers is thin and I suspect a number of teams like the Jets will be opting for a younger, cheaper center. Fingers crossed.
Less hot on Avila personally, maybe because i think he falls into the 3rd round range where we only have one pick and i'm usually looking at that going to a TE who's fallen or a DLine player. Tippmann i "fear" is going to test amazingly at the combine and shoot up the boards, and he's versititle enough to play G or C.
Same reason I like Avila. He prefers center but he's athletic enough to be a fulltime guard. I suspect you're right about Tippmann.
I agree with all of this. Did Daniel Jones fire his agent because he wasn't getting $45 million a year ? On what planet would one playoff win earn you more than Daka's contract,a contract a lot of people hate, I don't. I sure hope Drew Lock picked up Shane's offense. He was a turnover machine, but he had very poor coaching throughout college and the Pro's. Drew can do it, and Geno must know no team will shell out $45 million for.any QB ,including Carr
I think that's exactly why Jones switched agents. $45 mil and more guaranteed. BTW, I think Geno is better than Carr. I'd give Geno $45/mil apy AFTER he's taken us to the next level. The top tier QBs will be making $60/mil apy as soon as next year.
Avila and Tippman could go in that range. It's hard to predict how quickly centers will leave the board. I've seen a mock that had Buffalo taking Avila at #27. I think that's doubtful but who knows?
The more I look at it, the more I think we should trade out of 5 unless there’s a qb they love. Sucks to not use a rare top 5 pick, but consensus seems to be that the drop off starts after 3. And I feel like it does after 2 (Young and Anderson); Bijan notwithstanding.
This team needs as many bites at the apple as possible. And I hope they focus on 2023 picks rather than 2024 ones. They may drop roughly a round in value but it’s another year of growth and development with professional coaching and an NFL strength and conditioning program.
This is a head fake to maybe camouflage the Seahawks' intentions in terms of drafting a G. If there is someone they like that has the potential to start day 1 and that guy is available on day 2, they draft him. Haynes is a stop-gap at best you would think.
Pete sees Haynes as a starter and he was a key part of the line that ignited Penny during the last five games of 2021. I think the one-year deal is a trial to determine if he can hold up physically as a fulltime starter. Even if we draft/sign another guard, a backup like Haynes if valuable.
That seems unnecessary. A one-year contract for a part time guard is simply a one-year contract for a part time guard. I see it giving Seattle an option to lead the competition but surely doesn't make teams think "Ah, Seahawks won't draft a guard on day two!" and I don't see why that would even matter. This isn't a huge deal, but worthy of it's own Seaside Joe for sure.
Great news! I wonder if this means there’s any movement on a Geno decision. We usually like to sign our biggest free agent first and only start signing others afterwards or when we’ve decided to move on. However, this is also a needed cap move to be able to cut Gabe to make room for a Geno re-signing. It’s also a small enough move to maybe mean nothing, but the timing seems odd to me. Any chance it’s a more sizable deal than a couple mil?
Probably unrelated, the Seahawks needed to have a guard on the roster ahead of cutting Jackson and his cost shouldn't be much different than a replacement level player that they would need in any case.
We seem more than likely to draft IOL late in this draft, if at all. Still, we should improve year over year just because of the growth we can expect from our two rookie tackles. Haynes always seemed OK, but not good. Below average, but serviceable, and that is what we are paying for. And he has never played a full season without injury. I still hope they have enough faith in one of these centers, in the draft this year. But not before 51. Later would be fine, too. Stromberg will go late. As for guard, I don't mind if they get another cheap vet to compete with Haynes if they don't want to spend any draft capital on the spot. Possibly, because they think the talent stinks.
Figuring out the stock market and economy is really really hard. So is the draft, and it is many magnitude's less complex than our economy. Still, it is a near impossible task to keep track of all the variables, and even if you can do that, you still have to assign values on every player, and those are subjective and cannot be validated with stats or film with definitiveness.
Watching the playoffs made me really want a dominant o line. I want Schmitz, Mafi, and Torrence or Vorhees because of his cool name. Guys who didn’t allow a sack in their senior season or even college careers. They could all probably be had in the 2nd or 3rd and beyond. Seems a more likely hit rate than another mid round edge rusher. Just pay for proven veterans there on top of the young uns we have. We could have a really great line in a year or two.
Seahawks drafting a guard in rounds 3-5 seems fair. Very true about variables.
I’m happy with this move. Phil Haynes is a “Seahawk” and he has provided good play when healthy. He’s a hardworking guy who shows loyalty and a willingness to be flexible when asked to do different things. This also almost guarantees the Gabe Jackson will be cut which saves us a tiny bit of cap space.
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The hawks need another young guard and centre. They also need several DI's. Big nasty buggers that will stop the bad guys offensive line from getting to the second level, plus putting pressure up the middle. Pop the pocket and let those speedy lighter edge (the 250-280lb) guys feast on the confusion.
Build a foundation for the coming years, then find a game manager QB, someone that won't collapse the cap in one year.
Surely will need more depth, they have only 2 Gs and 0 Cs signed for 2023, assuming a Jacksone release. Thanks for your comment, enjoy 30 days free to premium on the house!
Curhan qualifies as a guard/tackle.
It's a good signing in need of competition. Gabe Jackson inches closer to the door. The injury concern with Phil is real . Depending on the size of the contract, we need at least one more "player" at the position. Too bad Stone's leavers are too big to slide inside.
This sounds like what Staton calls a draft hedge: A team signs a known quantity at an acceptable number in case there’s no one available in the draft.
Hedge or no hedge, every team needs adequate depth on the OL and Haynes is definitely worthy to keep for a fifth year and hope for the best. Definitely needed to make some type of veteran move ahead of the draft.