Late to this weeks commentary but yep amazing how any critique of Geno is a call out that I’m no fan. When people criticize me for doing so, I love to say that you had no issues with Rick Mirer or Dan McGwire? Or that trash Californian owner who tried to steal our Hawks? All the Geno colored glasses wearing fans have no issues saying it’s OLine fault or okay calling. SJ makes great comments here as always. We want our team to be great always. Clearly that rarely happens. Geno has a great arm but one thing we noticed yesterday he seems to throw to a player rather than in front allowing defenders to get hands in for pass defense. Where it works, is Tyler because dude always seems open.
I really do not think that teams game plan all week on how to stop DK Metcalf, I think it’s more of an afterthought than it would be for a $24 million receiver.
Drop the mic Seaside J.
With this one statement you seem to point out how Metcalfs hot head hurts the team. They don’t need to watch tape to stop him. Get in his head and his day is over.
Imagine if this was the case for.... fill in the blank with Rice, Largent, Baldwin, any other Seahawk great, and if you could say “We don’t need to game plan for him, all we need to do is get in his head.” How much easier would it be to stop everything else as a defense?
On the flip side, put someone like a AJ Brown. There needs to be a legitimate game plan, other than head games, to stop him from taking over.
Until DK handles the mentals this will be why he is not worth top dollar. He can’t take over games and he is easy to take out of one.
"You don't know ball" can only be used to argue against someone who's affirming the eye test. Geno looks bad, I say he's bad, hence "I don't know ball" because I trust my own eyes instead of you (second Marx brother reference I make in a week, that must be a record). I'm pretty sure the argument would be used by Geno haters if Geno were lighting the league up.
As for the Moons, I usually keep their old name and change the order (Washington Team of Football, WTF). But I also like, in Portuguese, the joke name a guy had for them (Washington Futebol e Regatas — really a inner joke for Brazilians that only Zezinho will get).
I'm a bit more up on Geno than you, but I wholeheartedly agree that gaslighting fans is bad.
You guys are my last line for asking myself if I saw something that isn't so. The first line is all my Brothers and friends whom I watch with. Geno, as he plays right now, will not get us through the Playoffs. We all agree now. Either he is intentionally forcing an underestimation (possible?) or Pete had best have Lock ready to step up.
Ah yes. The great Geno debate continues. Very nice. Talk to me when the pressure rate drops below 40% and our running game has a some resemblance to being effective. What do you think Drew would do with a 40+% pressure rate? Exactly right. I’m not arguing Gino’s elite at all, I just think there are so many other issues we can’t even clearly see what he is.
I’ve mentioned this before so will I’ll leave it alone after mentioning it here again. I don’t care how good Top Billin’s content is. His responses to people challenging his perspectives are so disgusting and immature I will not watch any of his content ever again, no matter where it’s posted. If you can’t treat other people with respect, I’m not supporting you in any way, shape, or form.
I hear a lot of 'hate', in general, is flying around on social media. No doubt he see's a lot of that everywhere and wants to push back hard. Good. If he makes out our comments here as hate, too bad. I don't see it. Just fans doing fan shit. We all want to see Geno excel and spent a year doing so. Nothing wrong with wanting to avoid a train wreck by a group of super talented guys.
I think it's human nature to overreact in the moment, either to wins or loses, and that's for fans and players. In this statistical age it's very easy to find numbers that support your argument or opinion, so people cling to their arguments regardless of whether someone else can support their differing argument with data of their own.
If I'm being honest, my opinions are overly rooted in how I feel about the humans, the players. I want Gino to be good. Not just because I want the team to win, but because I want him to succeed, because I know how hard he takes failure. So, I look at my own numbers, and likely overly excuse him. But I'm not fussed about being right. If I'm wrong, I'll feel much worse for the team and the player than I will for being wrong.
Methinks the Offense is taking their cue from Geno's play now. If Geno chooses to hear his one detractor in the stands and folds, so will the Offense. The one voice becomes many and the Love leaves the stadium. Get ahead of it all, Geno. Get proactive and screw this reactionary crap. Get a 3rd down and literally take a bow. Make it fun again, so lead...
There’s a megaphone-shaped QB continuum running left-to-right from the uniquely great (Brady, Montana, Unitas) to the truly bad (Nathan Peterman).* On the right-hand side of the middle is the Bridgewater Segment--players who have started and had their moments, but who in the end are just guys. Geno is in that segment. Nothing--not a healthy OL or a genius OC--will change Geno’s fundamental makeup. He’s a QB who will look good at times, throw a great pass or two, disappear for long stretches, and make too many bad decisions.
Michael Bumpus partially ascribes an INT to Tyler Lockett for not picking up a play change at the line. But he also says that Geno should have realized what happened as soon as he saw two receivers in the same place. Thing is, there will always be too many times when Geno misreads the field. We’ve seen this for 25 games now, and nothing changes it. He’s just not good enough.
* Even these guys are/were good enough to get to the NFL.
I’m definitely on team Ken in regards to the opinions on Geno and DK and DT. We need to treat this as a business that it is. We should expect to win and not be OK with mediocrity. Why do the 49ers keep adding more stars every chance they get? As well as Eagles/ Dolphins/ Ravens, etc. Notice anything about those teams? Their fans expect to win and Hate losing! We are such a happy fanbase that we are so anti- pessimism that we can’t tell the truth. The truth is Geno has regressed back to his career baseline. He’s an NFL QB. He is one of the best 32 professionals in the world at QB, BUT just as LeBron always demands changes when he loses, people that live for the chance at a SB are not in the same realm as fun loving fans who just enjoy the event itself. We are different. Not wrong. Stats don’t lie. Neither does the statement that the Seahawks haven’t done anything important since 2015. We are at least better than the Cowboys who have waited since 1995 for another SB. I agree, I’m way too invested in someone else’s job here, but when they are playing to their capabilities, they are a joy to watch. Those games however are so seldom that it’s becoming the same as when I was a Cowboys fan. We play so far beneath what we could be that I seeth inside that we can’t EVER adjust in game!! Why are we not pounding the rock. Give me 4 series of just runs and see if we don’t get at least one first down!! With Geno throwing, it’s 3 and out 90% of the time. What could be worse? Pete and Shane seem to have determined that all 3 WR need at least 5 targets and about 2-3 for each TE and then 5-10 for the RBs. How many plays for runs does that leave? Why do we keep trying to just hit the home run and not get just 10??? I watch Adam slow man Thielen get 5-10 every single time. Tyler should be able to do that. Bobo could do that, but no we’d rather chuck it up for grabs 40 yards down the field on 3rd and 3!
I always thought you called them the"moons" because they have given their fans the "moon "for years.
I find that, in general, most of the posters have much the same ideas and thinking about the Hawks.
The one absolute truth is that QBs are essential to a winning team. The only team I can remember winning the SB. with a mediocre Trent Dilfer at QB was Baltmore and they had one of the greatest defenses in NFL history.
I , and many other fans, were under whelmed by the Wilson trade until I found out the return we got. After
Sharing wrote that John and Pete should be indicted for grand larceny.
I see differences in opinions but no name calling .
Sharing thoughts and opinions is commentary. I think that it's good that the Hawk brain trust know where their fans are at, pro Geno or con!
Super Bowls have been won by average, even mediocre QB play, but it usually requires an elite defense and great to elite OL. Dilfer, Flacco, Foles are recent examples, but the best is 2015 Peyton Manning, who won with a QBR 10 points below Geno's current 2023 rate.
This team is not currently capable of carrying Geno or Drew through the playoffs as is, and Geno isn't the guy but they'd probably need peak era Russ to excel with the OL issues they're having.
They're basically 1 out of every 5 winning QBs in the last 20 years, that's a big outlier. One can argue it's actually easier to build an elite team around a good QB than to actually find and retain an elite QB.
So was Dilfer. The 2000 Ravens had an historically great, LOB-level defense and played in a conference that was notable for its QBs. The Ravens didn’t have to face Manning in the playoffs. They also went to the playoffs once in the next five years. Catching lightning in a bottle is not a plan.
Drafting a great QB is incredibly hard, let alone an elite QB. Just getting to the Super Bowl is incredibly hard. GB had the NFL MVP three years in a row, on a very good team, they couldn't get there. But getting to the playoffs most years is really not that hard, bad teams get in every year, even teams with a losing record. All of the SB teams I mentioned had defenses performing at an elite level.
Maybe some people get caught up on the definition of words or take people too literally. But when someone says Geno Smith is "terrible" the first thing that comes to mind is all the terrible QBs I've seen play and Geno Smith may as well be Tom Brady compared to them. So then my mind instantly goes to. well maybe this person just doesn't watch that much football and is therefore comparing Geno Smith to a perfect QB (that doesn't exist)? Something like Tom Brady. Geno Smith is equally as bad compared to Brady as Clayton Tune is compared to Geno Smith. Something is either good or bad only in comparison to something else. Long way of saying it is offputting and confusing to me when someone says "Geno Smith is terrible"
Having said that it is not confusing to me when someone says "I do not believe that Geno is good enough to win a SB". That's an opinion and its all yours. For my money, if Geno Smith is QB on the Niners (assuming healthy) they would be the favorites to win.
But, even with saying I think Geno is good enough to win the SB does not mean that we are riding with Geno long term. Not at all. As Joe says every position should be looked to upgrade at all times.
I also like Joes point about Geno's contract. Its all kind of a moot point as Geno will be the starter unless we are out of playoff contention.
Lots more to say on the issue but lastly, this is a great community and I don't think anyone is a dummy and doesn't know or love Seahawks. You all are cool in my mind in agreement or disagreement.
Is it true Brady came back to Atalanta if his Go-To guy (Gronkowski) came back with him? Was he saying he could avoid most of the crushing sacks if he had someone he knew to be where he knew he'd be, quickly? He did get them a SB win by doing that. Hmmm...7 games left... kinder/gentler rules on beating him up... Did we hear Brady is shopping himself again?
You might be right about Geno on the 49ers. Until recently, I'd have said otherwise because Purdy was processing fast even under pressure. Geno has a stronger arm but I'd have said that Purdy is the far better QB. The last few weeks calls that into question, as Brock has made bad decisions. I still tend to think he'll pull it together, and would want to stick with him if he was our guy, whereas with Geno I've seen quite enough.
Both can run a bit. I prefer the way Purdy scrambles. His scouting report coming out of college said he did not have wheels. It was wrong. Nice ability to avoid pressure.
KJ says all good defenses learn to read "Tells" from all offensive players. No doubt they are reading Purdy now. Rookies would be the worst at telegraphing plays, which may certainly be a factor haunting Geno right now. Murf says Geno is great. ALL22 says the opposite. I see a QB unable to create positive yardage and accepts excuses from his Coach.
I don't have the knowledge to have an opinion as to why Geno's not effective. I just observe that he's not and it's been consistent (ineffectiveness) since at least Munich.
On another truly important issue, I call the Washington football team the "water closets" because that's what WC means in Europe. It's a euphemism for toilet and is, therefore, incredibly fitting.
As for the main issue, Geno, I don't get why Carroll defends him and refuses to give Lock a chance. I particularly don't understand why so many fans seem committed to ignoring his shortcomings or why some insist that Lock isn't the answer when all he's produced this season points in the opposite direction.
To be clear, I'm not saying Lock is the answer. It's perfectly possible he'll fail to protect the ball and fall flat on his face (as he did in Denver). But it's not like Geno protects the ball well. So, as a fan, I'd love to find out what we've got. I'm satisfied that Geno is not the answer. Way beyond satisfied.
Why Pete was unwilling to look at Lock is my concern. He should have played the second half against the Giants, if only out of caution for Geno. It was either an insult to Lock or a card Pete doesn't want to play yet.
Pete has said of Smith and Lock that we have 2 starting QBs. So, why can't he be unique and use them interchangeably?! Every team should be so lucky to have 2 starters and not leave one as a benchwarmer!!
This sounds nice on paper but it doesn't work for a wide variety of reasons. Limited practice time, connection/communication all the receivers, rhythm, handoffs, prepping a weekly game plan, etc. Just snapping the ball is something that requires regular practice.
Teams rarely do that but I've seen it done effectively. Hey, the year Washington won the national championship we had Mark Brunell and Billy Joe Hobart, oh he of Corvette trouble. They both played.
Perhaps one day that way of coaching will catch on, as has going for it on fourth down or the tush push. For now, most coaches seem to think it optimal to have one starter.
I definitely agree that everyone is entitled to share an opinion and we should show respect for all. If someone says something that doesn't seem to make sense, I'd rather cultivate curiosity and ask for further explanation than become critical of the idea or the person who shares the opinion.
Sports is not fundamentally important. I might think that someone with political opinions that differ from mine is harming the world (and I might even be correct). Sports is just entertainment. You say tomato, I say tamatah; you say potato, I say patatah.
I truly wonder about Geno’s vision. What does he see in his field of vision? A concussion can affect your vision and your vision changes constantly. I think every 12 hopes he has a great game against the Comoonders. I think we all understand that Geno is here to fill a role til the ‘24 draft or ‘25 draft. We want him to succeed because then we are happy fans. Drew Lock will get his 2nd chance maybe not this year. Well I am just full of drivel today. May the 12s be with you and Go Seahawks!
The whole mentality of needing to resort to insults when you disagree with someone (especially about sports) is one of the worst aspects of social media. Everyone wants to dunk and be smarmy. "Tell me you don't know ball without telling me you don't know ball." is a top 3 irk right now. I cannot tell you how many hours of wearing pads I accumulated in my life playing football K-12, and I assure you that I know less about the pro game than plenty of people who never played a down but took more time to study NFL concepts. Watching professional football isn't rocket science, but it IS complicated, and there's no way to know from your couch watching a TV broadcast what the assignments are and who mistakes are on every play. But this vagueness and uncertainty is also how they will only blame scheme, O line, receivers, or QB on a bad offensive drive, for example.
For almost all of us, this is a fun pastime for our Sunday afternoons. Should we be expected to recognize cover one robber concepts from the snap in order to "know ball" well enough to enjoy a game and have opinions on who played well? If I were in charge of Twitter, I'd shadow ban every account the first time they post "not a real fan" or "don't know ball."
I truly miss the overhead shots they used to show. It always gave me a better perspective of what teams were trying to do and still miss John Madden’s commentary.
A few years back, ESPN.com was touting film sessions between one of their writers and a selected NFL player. The idea was to drill down on five clips. The only one I bothered with was when Doug Baldwin helped analyze five Seahawk offensive plays. It was clear that the writer had prepared for the session and equally clear that all the prep in the world didn’t mean s*** because Doug corrected their basic assumption on every single play. (In one, the writer described a sophisticated setup only for Baldwin to say that that particular formation was there to let Russell improvise.)
This was someone who got paid for making the assessment, had time to do it, and was no better at it than the most casual fan. Which is why I skip film analysis unless it comes from a former scout or player.
I find the ‘bad’ stats particularly interesting in this post Joe. I have been arguing, a bit like Zezinhom400 today (I’m a novice when it comes to the intricacies of American football too), that Geno hasn’t ‘looked’ good pretty much all season to me. And I tend to trust my eyes. However, some Seasiders have been pushing back (which is fine) and pointing out ‘good’ stats and basically telling me not to trust my lying eyes. Thanks for being fair and honest with your presentation of stats. I’ll say it again, stats don’t tell you everything. They can be manipulated and/or presented to any argument you want, though are helpful as a guide. But I’d rather trust my eyes and gut. They tend to be right more times than they are wrong.
Indeed! My enjoyment factor has declined so far this year because the best of too many games comes in the first few minutes and the final 30 seconds with a whole lot of nothing in between. For that, I just see a QB who isn't delivering the entertainment through competition factor that we had come to expect. Granted, Russ was known to do a final push to victory more often than not, but the entire game was filled with entertaining action, as well.
I watched the Browns v Panthers last night. Two pretty lousy teams put on a better game than the Hawks have been able to produce for way too long.
Late to this weeks commentary but yep amazing how any critique of Geno is a call out that I’m no fan. When people criticize me for doing so, I love to say that you had no issues with Rick Mirer or Dan McGwire? Or that trash Californian owner who tried to steal our Hawks? All the Geno colored glasses wearing fans have no issues saying it’s OLine fault or okay calling. SJ makes great comments here as always. We want our team to be great always. Clearly that rarely happens. Geno has a great arm but one thing we noticed yesterday he seems to throw to a player rather than in front allowing defenders to get hands in for pass defense. Where it works, is Tyler because dude always seems open.
I really do not think that teams game plan all week on how to stop DK Metcalf, I think it’s more of an afterthought than it would be for a $24 million receiver.
Drop the mic Seaside J.
With this one statement you seem to point out how Metcalfs hot head hurts the team. They don’t need to watch tape to stop him. Get in his head and his day is over.
Imagine if this was the case for.... fill in the blank with Rice, Largent, Baldwin, any other Seahawk great, and if you could say “We don’t need to game plan for him, all we need to do is get in his head.” How much easier would it be to stop everything else as a defense?
On the flip side, put someone like a AJ Brown. There needs to be a legitimate game plan, other than head games, to stop him from taking over.
Until DK handles the mentals this will be why he is not worth top dollar. He can’t take over games and he is easy to take out of one.
This has been bugging me for a while but is just me or does the QB School guy look like a cross between Kyle Shanahan and Brian Schottenheimer?
"You don't know ball" can only be used to argue against someone who's affirming the eye test. Geno looks bad, I say he's bad, hence "I don't know ball" because I trust my own eyes instead of you (second Marx brother reference I make in a week, that must be a record). I'm pretty sure the argument would be used by Geno haters if Geno were lighting the league up.
As for the Moons, I usually keep their old name and change the order (Washington Team of Football, WTF). But I also like, in Portuguese, the joke name a guy had for them (Washington Futebol e Regatas — really a inner joke for Brazilians that only Zezinho will get).
I'm a bit more up on Geno than you, but I wholeheartedly agree that gaslighting fans is bad.
You guys are my last line for asking myself if I saw something that isn't so. The first line is all my Brothers and friends whom I watch with. Geno, as he plays right now, will not get us through the Playoffs. We all agree now. Either he is intentionally forcing an underestimation (possible?) or Pete had best have Lock ready to step up.
Ah yes. The great Geno debate continues. Very nice. Talk to me when the pressure rate drops below 40% and our running game has a some resemblance to being effective. What do you think Drew would do with a 40+% pressure rate? Exactly right. I’m not arguing Gino’s elite at all, I just think there are so many other issues we can’t even clearly see what he is.
I’ve mentioned this before so will I’ll leave it alone after mentioning it here again. I don’t care how good Top Billin’s content is. His responses to people challenging his perspectives are so disgusting and immature I will not watch any of his content ever again, no matter where it’s posted. If you can’t treat other people with respect, I’m not supporting you in any way, shape, or form.
I hear a lot of 'hate', in general, is flying around on social media. No doubt he see's a lot of that everywhere and wants to push back hard. Good. If he makes out our comments here as hate, too bad. I don't see it. Just fans doing fan shit. We all want to see Geno excel and spent a year doing so. Nothing wrong with wanting to avoid a train wreck by a group of super talented guys.
I think it's human nature to overreact in the moment, either to wins or loses, and that's for fans and players. In this statistical age it's very easy to find numbers that support your argument or opinion, so people cling to their arguments regardless of whether someone else can support their differing argument with data of their own.
If I'm being honest, my opinions are overly rooted in how I feel about the humans, the players. I want Gino to be good. Not just because I want the team to win, but because I want him to succeed, because I know how hard he takes failure. So, I look at my own numbers, and likely overly excuse him. But I'm not fussed about being right. If I'm wrong, I'll feel much worse for the team and the player than I will for being wrong.
Methinks the Offense is taking their cue from Geno's play now. If Geno chooses to hear his one detractor in the stands and folds, so will the Offense. The one voice becomes many and the Love leaves the stadium. Get ahead of it all, Geno. Get proactive and screw this reactionary crap. Get a 3rd down and literally take a bow. Make it fun again, so lead...
There’s a megaphone-shaped QB continuum running left-to-right from the uniquely great (Brady, Montana, Unitas) to the truly bad (Nathan Peterman).* On the right-hand side of the middle is the Bridgewater Segment--players who have started and had their moments, but who in the end are just guys. Geno is in that segment. Nothing--not a healthy OL or a genius OC--will change Geno’s fundamental makeup. He’s a QB who will look good at times, throw a great pass or two, disappear for long stretches, and make too many bad decisions.
Michael Bumpus partially ascribes an INT to Tyler Lockett for not picking up a play change at the line. But he also says that Geno should have realized what happened as soon as he saw two receivers in the same place. Thing is, there will always be too many times when Geno misreads the field. We’ve seen this for 25 games now, and nothing changes it. He’s just not good enough.
* Even these guys are/were good enough to get to the NFL.
100% why I am here.
I’m definitely on team Ken in regards to the opinions on Geno and DK and DT. We need to treat this as a business that it is. We should expect to win and not be OK with mediocrity. Why do the 49ers keep adding more stars every chance they get? As well as Eagles/ Dolphins/ Ravens, etc. Notice anything about those teams? Their fans expect to win and Hate losing! We are such a happy fanbase that we are so anti- pessimism that we can’t tell the truth. The truth is Geno has regressed back to his career baseline. He’s an NFL QB. He is one of the best 32 professionals in the world at QB, BUT just as LeBron always demands changes when he loses, people that live for the chance at a SB are not in the same realm as fun loving fans who just enjoy the event itself. We are different. Not wrong. Stats don’t lie. Neither does the statement that the Seahawks haven’t done anything important since 2015. We are at least better than the Cowboys who have waited since 1995 for another SB. I agree, I’m way too invested in someone else’s job here, but when they are playing to their capabilities, they are a joy to watch. Those games however are so seldom that it’s becoming the same as when I was a Cowboys fan. We play so far beneath what we could be that I seeth inside that we can’t EVER adjust in game!! Why are we not pounding the rock. Give me 4 series of just runs and see if we don’t get at least one first down!! With Geno throwing, it’s 3 and out 90% of the time. What could be worse? Pete and Shane seem to have determined that all 3 WR need at least 5 targets and about 2-3 for each TE and then 5-10 for the RBs. How many plays for runs does that leave? Why do we keep trying to just hit the home run and not get just 10??? I watch Adam slow man Thielen get 5-10 every single time. Tyler should be able to do that. Bobo could do that, but no we’d rather chuck it up for grabs 40 yards down the field on 3rd and 3!
Amen. The last 2 games had me thinking of mowing my lawn in the final quarter. Would have, too, if it wasn't for the company watching with me.
I always thought you called them the"moons" because they have given their fans the "moon "for years.
I find that, in general, most of the posters have much the same ideas and thinking about the Hawks.
The one absolute truth is that QBs are essential to a winning team. The only team I can remember winning the SB. with a mediocre Trent Dilfer at QB was Baltmore and they had one of the greatest defenses in NFL history.
I , and many other fans, were under whelmed by the Wilson trade until I found out the return we got. After
Sharing wrote that John and Pete should be indicted for grand larceny.
I see differences in opinions but no name calling .
Sharing thoughts and opinions is commentary. I think that it's good that the Hawk brain trust know where their fans are at, pro Geno or con!
Super Bowls have been won by average, even mediocre QB play, but it usually requires an elite defense and great to elite OL. Dilfer, Flacco, Foles are recent examples, but the best is 2015 Peyton Manning, who won with a QBR 10 points below Geno's current 2023 rate.
This team is not currently capable of carrying Geno or Drew through the playoffs as is, and Geno isn't the guy but they'd probably need peak era Russ to excel with the OL issues they're having.
Those are outliers, though. We can’t plan around having an historically great defense, a weak field, or a QB getting a hot hand.
They're basically 1 out of every 5 winning QBs in the last 20 years, that's a big outlier. One can argue it's actually easier to build an elite team around a good QB than to actually find and retain an elite QB.
Geno is not a good QB. He’s just a guy.
So was Dilfer. The 2000 Ravens had an historically great, LOB-level defense and played in a conference that was notable for its QBs. The Ravens didn’t have to face Manning in the playoffs. They also went to the playoffs once in the next five years. Catching lightning in a bottle is not a plan.
“was not notable”
Drafting a great QB is incredibly hard, let alone an elite QB. Just getting to the Super Bowl is incredibly hard. GB had the NFL MVP three years in a row, on a very good team, they couldn't get there. But getting to the playoffs most years is really not that hard, bad teams get in every year, even teams with a losing record. All of the SB teams I mentioned had defenses performing at an elite level.
Building a truly elite defense under today’s rules may be harder than finding an elite QB. Depends on what is meant by elite.
Maybe some people get caught up on the definition of words or take people too literally. But when someone says Geno Smith is "terrible" the first thing that comes to mind is all the terrible QBs I've seen play and Geno Smith may as well be Tom Brady compared to them. So then my mind instantly goes to. well maybe this person just doesn't watch that much football and is therefore comparing Geno Smith to a perfect QB (that doesn't exist)? Something like Tom Brady. Geno Smith is equally as bad compared to Brady as Clayton Tune is compared to Geno Smith. Something is either good or bad only in comparison to something else. Long way of saying it is offputting and confusing to me when someone says "Geno Smith is terrible"
Having said that it is not confusing to me when someone says "I do not believe that Geno is good enough to win a SB". That's an opinion and its all yours. For my money, if Geno Smith is QB on the Niners (assuming healthy) they would be the favorites to win.
But, even with saying I think Geno is good enough to win the SB does not mean that we are riding with Geno long term. Not at all. As Joe says every position should be looked to upgrade at all times.
I also like Joes point about Geno's contract. Its all kind of a moot point as Geno will be the starter unless we are out of playoff contention.
Lots more to say on the issue but lastly, this is a great community and I don't think anyone is a dummy and doesn't know or love Seahawks. You all are cool in my mind in agreement or disagreement.
Go Hawks.
Is it true Brady came back to Atalanta if his Go-To guy (Gronkowski) came back with him? Was he saying he could avoid most of the crushing sacks if he had someone he knew to be where he knew he'd be, quickly? He did get them a SB win by doing that. Hmmm...7 games left... kinder/gentler rules on beating him up... Did we hear Brady is shopping himself again?
Geno on the Niners would not win the division over Seattle and--say--Justin Herbert.
You might be right about Geno on the 49ers. Until recently, I'd have said otherwise because Purdy was processing fast even under pressure. Geno has a stronger arm but I'd have said that Purdy is the far better QB. The last few weeks calls that into question, as Brock has made bad decisions. I still tend to think he'll pull it together, and would want to stick with him if he was our guy, whereas with Geno I've seen quite enough.
Both can run a bit. I prefer the way Purdy scrambles. His scouting report coming out of college said he did not have wheels. It was wrong. Nice ability to avoid pressure.
KJ says all good defenses learn to read "Tells" from all offensive players. No doubt they are reading Purdy now. Rookies would be the worst at telegraphing plays, which may certainly be a factor haunting Geno right now. Murf says Geno is great. ALL22 says the opposite. I see a QB unable to create positive yardage and accepts excuses from his Coach.
I don't have the knowledge to have an opinion as to why Geno's not effective. I just observe that he's not and it's been consistent (ineffectiveness) since at least Munich.
On another truly important issue, I call the Washington football team the "water closets" because that's what WC means in Europe. It's a euphemism for toilet and is, therefore, incredibly fitting.
As for the main issue, Geno, I don't get why Carroll defends him and refuses to give Lock a chance. I particularly don't understand why so many fans seem committed to ignoring his shortcomings or why some insist that Lock isn't the answer when all he's produced this season points in the opposite direction.
To be clear, I'm not saying Lock is the answer. It's perfectly possible he'll fail to protect the ball and fall flat on his face (as he did in Denver). But it's not like Geno protects the ball well. So, as a fan, I'd love to find out what we've got. I'm satisfied that Geno is not the answer. Way beyond satisfied.
Because that’s not how Carroll handles players. If and when he makes a move, it will be complete and definite.
The consequence is we don't know what we have with Lock. I don't think it wise.
Why Pete was unwilling to look at Lock is my concern. He should have played the second half against the Giants, if only out of caution for Geno. It was either an insult to Lock or a card Pete doesn't want to play yet.
Yes, he's clearly not willing to try Lock. I can only make assumptions as to why. I think it a mistake.
So, you could just call them the "Loo" :)
"Loo-sers"
Fixed it for you.
I love it! :0)
Pete has said of Smith and Lock that we have 2 starting QBs. So, why can't he be unique and use them interchangeably?! Every team should be so lucky to have 2 starters and not leave one as a benchwarmer!!
This sounds nice on paper but it doesn't work for a wide variety of reasons. Limited practice time, connection/communication all the receivers, rhythm, handoffs, prepping a weekly game plan, etc. Just snapping the ball is something that requires regular practice.
Teams rarely do that but I've seen it done effectively. Hey, the year Washington won the national championship we had Mark Brunell and Billy Joe Hobart, oh he of Corvette trouble. They both played.
Perhaps one day that way of coaching will catch on, as has going for it on fourth down or the tush push. For now, most coaches seem to think it optimal to have one starter.
Best post of the year
If my edit changes your assessment, let me know and I'll take it out and put it in a separate post.
So true. The "me too" movement could have been designed for Snyder.
I definitely agree that everyone is entitled to share an opinion and we should show respect for all. If someone says something that doesn't seem to make sense, I'd rather cultivate curiosity and ask for further explanation than become critical of the idea or the person who shares the opinion.
Sports is not fundamentally important. I might think that someone with political opinions that differ from mine is harming the world (and I might even be correct). Sports is just entertainment. You say tomato, I say tamatah; you say potato, I say patatah.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJHbTuVcSwE&ab_channel=LouisArmstrong-Topic
(for those to young to understand the reference)
I truly wonder about Geno’s vision. What does he see in his field of vision? A concussion can affect your vision and your vision changes constantly. I think every 12 hopes he has a great game against the Comoonders. I think we all understand that Geno is here to fill a role til the ‘24 draft or ‘25 draft. We want him to succeed because then we are happy fans. Drew Lock will get his 2nd chance maybe not this year. Well I am just full of drivel today. May the 12s be with you and Go Seahawks!
He's worn eyeglasses at the podium a few times.
I love"Comoonders".
The whole mentality of needing to resort to insults when you disagree with someone (especially about sports) is one of the worst aspects of social media. Everyone wants to dunk and be smarmy. "Tell me you don't know ball without telling me you don't know ball." is a top 3 irk right now. I cannot tell you how many hours of wearing pads I accumulated in my life playing football K-12, and I assure you that I know less about the pro game than plenty of people who never played a down but took more time to study NFL concepts. Watching professional football isn't rocket science, but it IS complicated, and there's no way to know from your couch watching a TV broadcast what the assignments are and who mistakes are on every play. But this vagueness and uncertainty is also how they will only blame scheme, O line, receivers, or QB on a bad offensive drive, for example.
For almost all of us, this is a fun pastime for our Sunday afternoons. Should we be expected to recognize cover one robber concepts from the snap in order to "know ball" well enough to enjoy a game and have opinions on who played well? If I were in charge of Twitter, I'd shadow ban every account the first time they post "not a real fan" or "don't know ball."
Bottom line is it's bullying and those people need to be treated like bullies.
I truly miss the overhead shots they used to show. It always gave me a better perspective of what teams were trying to do and still miss John Madden’s commentary.
Or Alex Karras on MNF...
A few years back, ESPN.com was touting film sessions between one of their writers and a selected NFL player. The idea was to drill down on five clips. The only one I bothered with was when Doug Baldwin helped analyze five Seahawk offensive plays. It was clear that the writer had prepared for the session and equally clear that all the prep in the world didn’t mean s*** because Doug corrected their basic assumption on every single play. (In one, the writer described a sophisticated setup only for Baldwin to say that that particular formation was there to let Russell improvise.)
This was someone who got paid for making the assessment, had time to do it, and was no better at it than the most casual fan. Which is why I skip film analysis unless it comes from a former scout or player.
I find the ‘bad’ stats particularly interesting in this post Joe. I have been arguing, a bit like Zezinhom400 today (I’m a novice when it comes to the intricacies of American football too), that Geno hasn’t ‘looked’ good pretty much all season to me. And I tend to trust my eyes. However, some Seasiders have been pushing back (which is fine) and pointing out ‘good’ stats and basically telling me not to trust my lying eyes. Thanks for being fair and honest with your presentation of stats. I’ll say it again, stats don’t tell you everything. They can be manipulated and/or presented to any argument you want, though are helpful as a guide. But I’d rather trust my eyes and gut. They tend to be right more times than they are wrong.
Indeed! My enjoyment factor has declined so far this year because the best of too many games comes in the first few minutes and the final 30 seconds with a whole lot of nothing in between. For that, I just see a QB who isn't delivering the entertainment through competition factor that we had come to expect. Granted, Russ was known to do a final push to victory more often than not, but the entire game was filled with entertaining action, as well.
I watched the Browns v Panthers last night. Two pretty lousy teams put on a better game than the Hawks have been able to produce for way too long.