FYI on that outside FD pick play in the first clip. Where they talk Ouzts not pancaking the DB but just completely taking him out the play. What was great to see, Siebert helps AJ seal of the end, but while doing so, Siebert was looking downfield. LB/S etc. once that player game towards the play, Siebert, disengages, AJ had by this time sealed the defender, and Siebert then blocks downfield. Inside Bradford and Abe take out NT. Good run play. Positive yards. Love this stuff.
I hope Ouzts gets his first reception of the regular season this week. We saw him do it in the preseason with good results, and so far KK has only used him as a blocker (as far as I know). The stage should be set for an unexpected delayed route out of the backfield or something.
Ah yes, Robbie Smash. Stay healthy and become a Seahawks legend. Still a rookie, and still new to the FB role, but he's already making plays (and missing plays) and will only get better, and scarier. Love the guy.
The o-line play was a mixed bag against the Steelers. Some plays were great, some plays were a mess. AB had some whiffs both run and pass blocking, where he didn't actually even touch anybody. Abe was hit and miss. So lots to clean up, and they'll get better. TJ Watt is still very, very good, and plays the run better than I thought. He was a problem all game. Grey looked pretty solid, but also had some great plays and some plays where he just wasn't moving his guy, but Hayward is one strong m'fer, so not easy to move. Not many like him.
I don't think the Saints front creates the same challenges, but we shall see. Please don't have a letdown game. That'd suck.
Saints defense is actually performing quite well overall. They do have some good defensive players. Offense must be ready and the Defense can’t overlook TE and RB and Olave was ahead of JSN.
Another interesting point about Robbie - the Seahawks lead those 11 FBs in terms of percentage of offensive snaps, and is tied for 2nd in total snaps (all per FB-Ref).
Robbie - 46 snaps (39.32% of SEA off snaps)
Kyle Juszczyk - 47 snaps (31.97%)
Scott Matlock (LAC) - 46 snaps (37.40%)
Brady Russell, Brooks and Ricard have 0 snaps (although the Texans have Brooks as a RB and a 2nd FB listed - Jakob Johnson with 27 snaps)
You can just respond to me I don’t have game recorded. But I said Charbonet sure didn’t compare to walker, he said walker most of the time has a fullback. Tru?
It’s funny if you look back at the grades given out at draft time. “What an over reach. He’d have been there in the 7th round.” Etc… We, at least, heard the JS/MM interview explaining his role as FB, not TE. This is a situation where I’m darn glad for that “over reach.” He might wind up having as much impact or more than most 3rd round picks by the end of the year. At some point, “he’d probably be there in the 7th round,” is not worth the risk.
I'd be OK with a Punter (or anybody else) in the first round if he played for 20 years and went to the HoF. Knowing his value ahead of time is the trick, but so far, Robbie Ouzts looks like a perfect pick to me.
Oh, I wasn’t including you in this comment. I was talking about the draft grades of ESPN, Fox, etc. Days after the draft, he was still being referred to by these people as a TE. They obviously didn’t get the memo that was made clear in the day 3 press conference that he was going to be used as a FB. I just think we need to think about what is an over-reach in the draft. I stand by the potential that he may have more impact than 1/2 of the third round picks. Sorry if I gave the impression I was including you in the comment above.
No, you’re right, there listed Harris as the FB, but Bleier as the lead blocker. I was a thrown off because usually the lead blocker is the fullback.
Franco Harris (Fullback): Known for his combination of power and agility, Harris was the primary rushing weapon for the Steelers. As the lead back, he would take the majority of the carries and was famous for his ability to break tackles. He was inducted into the Pro Football Hall of Fame in 1990.
Rocky Bleier (Running Back): Bleier's primary role was as a lead blocker for Harris, but he was also an effective runner in his own right. His inspiring story of returning to the NFL after being wounded in the Vietnam War made him a fan favorite. In 1976, he and Harris became only the second duo in NFL history to both rush for over 1,000 yards in the same season.
Thanks! My mother was from Pittsburgh. I was a Steelers fan until I moved to Seattle in 1990, so I was pretty sure about Franco.
It was a different game then, for sure. Pretty much every team started two RBs and gave the ball to the best runner regardless of where they lined up. Bleier was no slouch—in 1976, he and Harris both rushed for over 1000 yards (1036 and 1128, respectively).
Things are coming back to me! Jim Taylor was a HOF FB for the Packers (1958-1967) teamed mostly with Paul Hornung at “halfback.”
Walt Garrison (Dallas 1966-1974) was on the small side for an FB but was a tough blocker for Duane Thomas and Calvin Hill. A good runner and receiver in his own right, too.
Mike Alstot was in that same generation (as Mack) and, boy, was he fun to watch.
I'm stoked to watch Ouzts develop! Hope they find a way to give him a few handoffs in short yardage/goal line situations and he ends up with 2 or 3 touchdowns this year.
I go back to end of Czonka. But for the Hawks loved John L, and Dr Dan!!!! But Williams less FB and more the “H Back”. So absolutely Mack. My first actual ever jersey, couldn’t afford them as a kid, was Mack. Got him to sign it years ago (long faded). I’m still ticked that Hass is Ring instead of Mack :-)
Mack Strong! 💪
FYI on that outside FD pick play in the first clip. Where they talk Ouzts not pancaking the DB but just completely taking him out the play. What was great to see, Siebert helps AJ seal of the end, but while doing so, Siebert was looking downfield. LB/S etc. once that player game towards the play, Siebert, disengages, AJ had by this time sealed the defender, and Siebert then blocks downfield. Inside Bradford and Abe take out NT. Good run play. Positive yards. Love this stuff.
I hope Ouzts gets his first reception of the regular season this week. We saw him do it in the preseason with good results, and so far KK has only used him as a blocker (as far as I know). The stage should be set for an unexpected delayed route out of the backfield or something.
Definitely Big Mack Strong
Trucking people over
You go Ouzts
Mack Strong!
“When I say “Your first fullback” who comes to mind?”
Jim Brown.
Which reminds me of a good Wymanism: “I’ve reached the age where I’d rather be caught not wearing pants than a shirt!”
Ah yes, Robbie Smash. Stay healthy and become a Seahawks legend. Still a rookie, and still new to the FB role, but he's already making plays (and missing plays) and will only get better, and scarier. Love the guy.
The o-line play was a mixed bag against the Steelers. Some plays were great, some plays were a mess. AB had some whiffs both run and pass blocking, where he didn't actually even touch anybody. Abe was hit and miss. So lots to clean up, and they'll get better. TJ Watt is still very, very good, and plays the run better than I thought. He was a problem all game. Grey looked pretty solid, but also had some great plays and some plays where he just wasn't moving his guy, but Hayward is one strong m'fer, so not easy to move. Not many like him.
I don't think the Saints front creates the same challenges, but we shall see. Please don't have a letdown game. That'd suck.
Saints defense is actually performing quite well overall. They do have some good defensive players. Offense must be ready and the Defense can’t overlook TE and RB and Olave was ahead of JSN.
Another interesting point about Robbie - the Seahawks lead those 11 FBs in terms of percentage of offensive snaps, and is tied for 2nd in total snaps (all per FB-Ref).
Robbie - 46 snaps (39.32% of SEA off snaps)
Kyle Juszczyk - 47 snaps (31.97%)
Scott Matlock (LAC) - 46 snaps (37.40%)
Brady Russell, Brooks and Ricard have 0 snaps (although the Texans have Brooks as a RB and a 2nd FB listed - Jakob Johnson with 27 snaps)
Beck 6 snaps, Westover 8 snaps, Luepke 22 snaps, Gilliam 31 snaps, and Ingold 33 snaps.
So the Hawks are getting more out of their FB than the majority of teams, and arguably all of them.
I guess my first fullback was Larry Czonka. Still the best backfield I've ever seen with Czonka, Jim Kiick, and Mercury Morris. QB wasn't bad, either.
Can’t remember that QB. Just a run of a mill Bob kinda guy as I recall.
My first fullback is John L Williams for sure ... loved my early 90's underachieving Hawks
And a VERY close 2nd is Mack Strong
So much fun. And he, like short lasting Leonard Weaver, and of course Marshawn, could throw mean stiff arms. I miss the guys who could stiff arm.
You can just respond to me I don’t have game recorded. But I said Charbonet sure didn’t compare to walker, he said walker most of the time has a fullback. Tru?
I'm not sure who this is directed to but maybe that person will know who they are.
Would be interesting to better understand how teams fare in running game with and without a fb
Don Testerman. Seahawks FB 1976-1978. RIP.
What a perfect name for an expansion team. "The Testerman"
It’s funny if you look back at the grades given out at draft time. “What an over reach. He’d have been there in the 7th round.” Etc… We, at least, heard the JS/MM interview explaining his role as FB, not TE. This is a situation where I’m darn glad for that “over reach.” He might wind up having as much impact or more than most 3rd round picks by the end of the year. At some point, “he’d probably be there in the 7th round,” is not worth the risk.
As for the "over reach" thing...
I'd be OK with a Punter (or anybody else) in the first round if he played for 20 years and went to the HoF. Knowing his value ahead of time is the trick, but so far, Robbie Ouzts looks like a perfect pick to me.
Janowski for the Raiders.
Dixon could be that HOF punter ;)
And I did write 1 or 2 articles over the summer that Ouzts would be an immediate contributor and probably rank 2nd in rookie snaps, at worst 3rd. https://www.seasidejoe.com/p/robbie-ouzts-seahawks-blocking
Oh, I wasn’t including you in this comment. I was talking about the draft grades of ESPN, Fox, etc. Days after the draft, he was still being referred to by these people as a TE. They obviously didn’t get the memo that was made clear in the day 3 press conference that he was going to be used as a FB. I just think we need to think about what is an over-reach in the draft. I stand by the potential that he may have more impact than 1/2 of the third round picks. Sorry if I gave the impression I was including you in the comment above.
Larry Csonka will always be fullback 1 for me. Maybe that’s just my age.
Franco Harris was also considered to be a FB. He’s arguably the greatest of the SB era.
No, you’re right, there listed Harris as the FB, but Bleier as the lead blocker. I was a thrown off because usually the lead blocker is the fullback.
Franco Harris (Fullback): Known for his combination of power and agility, Harris was the primary rushing weapon for the Steelers. As the lead back, he would take the majority of the carries and was famous for his ability to break tackles. He was inducted into the Pro Football Hall of Fame in 1990.
Rocky Bleier (Running Back): Bleier's primary role was as a lead blocker for Harris, but he was also an effective runner in his own right. His inspiring story of returning to the NFL after being wounded in the Vietnam War made him a fan favorite. In 1976, he and Harris became only the second duo in NFL history to both rush for over 1,000 yards in the same season.
Thanks! My mother was from Pittsburgh. I was a Steelers fan until I moved to Seattle in 1990, so I was pretty sure about Franco.
It was a different game then, for sure. Pretty much every team started two RBs and gave the ball to the best runner regardless of where they lined up. Bleier was no slouch—in 1976, he and Harris both rushed for over 1000 yards (1036 and 1128, respectively).
Things are coming back to me! Jim Taylor was a HOF FB for the Packers (1958-1967) teamed mostly with Paul Hornung at “halfback.”
Walt Garrison (Dallas 1966-1974) was on the small side for an FB but was a tough blocker for Duane Thomas and Calvin Hill. A good runner and receiver in his own right, too.
Ah Walt Garrison was an actual Cowboy from Texas as I remember. Tough as nails.
I think the Steelers always listed Rocky Blier as the fullback
You bring bavck the memories, Danno. Yeah Larry Csonka ("Zonka") was an incredible player. Used to watch him on tv with my Dad.
Brown was a better “runner,” but Csonka was “a force of nature.” he was going to move the pile.
With all due respect to Larry, Jim Brown was a fullback.
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/B/BrowJi00.htm
I believe that John Riggins was also a fullback. Those were the three I thought of first, Brown, Csonka and Riggins.
Csonka rocked the stash like Ouzts ;)
Jim was a little before I got into football. I don’t remember seeing much of him. I think it was harder to see out of town players back then.
Mack Strong for me.
Mike Alstot was in that same generation (as Mack) and, boy, was he fun to watch.
I'm stoked to watch Ouzts develop! Hope they find a way to give him a few handoffs in short yardage/goal line situations and he ends up with 2 or 3 touchdowns this year.
Was going to say: we've had two great ones (John Williams being the other) but if there was a Marshawn Lynch at fullback it was Mack Strong.
Plus, has there EVER been a better name for a fullback than Mack Strong!
I go back to end of Czonka. But for the Hawks loved John L, and Dr Dan!!!! But Williams less FB and more the “H Back”. So absolutely Mack. My first actual ever jersey, couldn’t afford them as a kid, was Mack. Got him to sign it years ago (long faded). I’m still ticked that Hass is Ring instead of Mack :-)
“Plus, has there EVER been a better name for a fullback than Mack Strong!”
So say I!