PC/JS seem over eager to find more CB’s. I would have thought there were more pressing positions where finding a diamond in the rough would be more beneficial. I worry as to why this is?
Over at SDB there are many tied up in knots because the NT position has not been sufficiently addressed. But... I think the D scheme is going to be what was envisioned before Adams got hurt last season, and with Love as the faux Adams, they will proceed thusly:
DL is lighter and quicker, meant to read and react, OLB's hold the edge on running plays and the LBs AND DBs flow to the ball--attack attack attack! The SS (Adams/Love) and Nickle (Bryant/Witherspoon) need to demonstrate a high football IQ to dx plays quickly, cover or play downhill on running plays.
To do this you need physical CBs who can cover well and tackle exceptionally well, and you need backups because they need to be rotated and to ensure the scheme doesn't go out the window due to injuries.
That’s great info. Obviously you know the game. That kind of info is gold to me as I’m still learning (& still have lots to learn) due to not growing up with the game. Thanks for the input. It’s greatly appreciated.
The mistake the Seahawks made with the D scheme is not the scheme but having the player profiles "backed up" who can play it. The Seahawks spent last offseason building a defensive scheme around Adam's special abilities and then the guy goes out and gets himself injured in the first game! And there was no one who could approach doing what he can do--but now we have Love (and Witherspoon, and Bryant is becoming Mr Versatility too). Adam's injury last year was a huge setback and I really believe the Seahawks will be stronger out of the gate this year, and continue to get better throughout the season.
Interesting comment about this kid in the draft process and LA Career. From an article in Jan 2023:
"Is it time for Rams to give up on Robert Rochell?"
"The young corner went from being an impact player as a rookie to an afterthought in 2022."
also from this article, "After playing 223 snaps and being targeted 20 times as a rookie, Rochell was on the field for only 27 snaps and a single target in 2022."
He had some injury problems at the end of 2021 and the Rams drafted at secondary heavy again in 2022.
This stuck out for me in this article, "In some aspects it’s unfair and unwise for the Rams not to put Rochell on the field: the team knew when they drafted him that they were investing in his athletic traits and needed to be patient with his football development. How can a young player develop football acumen without ever getting on the field? The Rams need a plan to unlock the full potential of their young corner, someone they were jumping in the pool for less than two years ago."
Lance Zierline Draft 2021, " His technique and spotty transitions will be quickly discovered and exploited by pro talent so he might require a year for additional work and polish. He attacks throws like the former wideout he is and could become successful at baiting quarterbacks into throws they shouldn't make. The ball production and rare physical traits/abilities could make him a fast riser in this draft as a Day 2 talent."
As you can see he has raw physical ability that needed to be developed with technique, reps, time and culture"
The Rams were melting down in 2022 and looking for an instant fix from developmental talent.
So why would Seattle take a chance on this kid. Pete never forgets (2021), "Rochell was thrust into starting action as soon as his fourth NFL game against the Seattle Seahawks, who pose a formidable challenge with receivers Tyler Lockett and DK Metcalf. The rookie corner played 54 snaps in his first start and drew four targets. He did allow a completion for a touchdown - and three completions for 36 yards overall - but Rochell also went aerial to knock away a perfect touchdown pass from Russell Wilson to Lockett."
By the way, Rochell is actually 5'11" according to numerous draft reports and the senior bowl sheet.
I think Seattle works with this kid with their system and footwork for a year on PS to see if he could be a potential roster shot as a #4 and ST in 2024. What better time for a discarded 4th rounder to land in a young CB room than this era in Seattle. ROI could pay off.
I was actually hoping the Seahawks would draft Kyu Blu so this is "an intriguing development" and we should all go for some "frosty, chocolate milkshakes".
It is kinda funny that Pete (and John's) track record post-LOB with DB development has been much, much better with the castoff reclamation projects from other rosters than with their own draft picks, at least up until 2021 with Tre Brown (even Michael Jackson Sr was someone else's draft pick). So here's a toast to Kyu and Rochell and hope they can provide both future depth AND future trade options.
Also, I enjoy any opportunity to hear all about the Rams' woes. McVay reaffirming he's an offensive-minded head coach is a good reminder that no matter how genius his schemes are, there are very few truly complete head coaches in the NFL (guys who can really manage all three aspects of the roster well) and Pete is one of those. I still have an eyebrow raised over the long stint of mediocre to bad defense play but I'm also aware of the circumstances that contributed to it.
The Rams are carrying €75m in dead money this year - about a third of the overall cap - second only to the Buccs. No matter what the Seahawks do, I expect to relish spending the season laughing at McVay, Kroenke and their half-assed fanbase. FTR.
Winning the Super Bowl was worth it to McVay, Kroenke and their half-assed fanbase but the repercussions of going all in and buying your way to the show definitely has a long tail (Broncos nod in agreement).
Rochell and Kyu Blu -- two souls to reclaim, actually. Then what do you get, if Pete’s successful? Perhaps some draft picks mid season when a contender needs a Mike Jackson or Tre Brown or Cory Bryant? Or maybe a nose guard for two of them?
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Given the oblique Seinfeld reference in which Bette Midler was the leading actor in the Broadway adaptation... perhaps Pete Carroll can be the wind beneath Robert Rochell's wings?
You mentioned Hard Knocks, so I can ignore the rest of the article and comment solely on that :p
God, what a dull season it has been! Charcuterie aside, that is, all time moment there. Just feels like a real lack of personalities or stories, which of course comes from the decision to focus so much on AR and avoid being around cuts/cut threatened players. If anyone is yet to watch it, Ep 1 is solid, skip the rest. But i won't blame the NFL/HBO for going with the Jets, it was the only option this year and if you're a Jets fan, then it being dull is good with the team just getting on with things. [Or maybe at this point Hard Knocks is played out, with teams and fans knowing about it so much it's hard to surprise or engage quite the same?]
I actually thought the best episode may have been this last one, where, when they took a break from swooning over AR, they focused on the far more interesting storylines of the UDFA rookie WRs. Tanzel Smart's car-coochie board was fantastic. Did Solomon Thomas make some kind of salami flower pedal thing?!?! Dude! This stuff is what has always made Hard Knocks compelling television and it's a shame they departed from the usual formula this season.
What's the fixation with CB's? I'd trade two of them for another smash mouth bull dozer in the rotation at NT.
There just aren't many NTs out there and Pete and the coaches are still known as CB gurus. Also, Rochell is basically free.
Because Pete transforms mediocre CBs into elite, and great CBs into Hall of Famers. You have to play to your strength.
If you have 5 starter quality CBs, you can trade one or two and get some player you're missing or draft picks.
PC/JS seem over eager to find more CB’s. I would have thought there were more pressing positions where finding a diamond in the rough would be more beneficial. I worry as to why this is?
Over at SDB there are many tied up in knots because the NT position has not been sufficiently addressed. But... I think the D scheme is going to be what was envisioned before Adams got hurt last season, and with Love as the faux Adams, they will proceed thusly:
DL is lighter and quicker, meant to read and react, OLB's hold the edge on running plays and the LBs AND DBs flow to the ball--attack attack attack! The SS (Adams/Love) and Nickle (Bryant/Witherspoon) need to demonstrate a high football IQ to dx plays quickly, cover or play downhill on running plays.
To do this you need physical CBs who can cover well and tackle exceptionally well, and you need backups because they need to be rotated and to ensure the scheme doesn't go out the window due to injuries.
That’s great info. Obviously you know the game. That kind of info is gold to me as I’m still learning (& still have lots to learn) due to not growing up with the game. Thanks for the input. It’s greatly appreciated.
The mistake the Seahawks made with the D scheme is not the scheme but having the player profiles "backed up" who can play it. The Seahawks spent last offseason building a defensive scheme around Adam's special abilities and then the guy goes out and gets himself injured in the first game! And there was no one who could approach doing what he can do--but now we have Love (and Witherspoon, and Bryant is becoming Mr Versatility too). Adam's injury last year was a huge setback and I really believe the Seahawks will be stronger out of the gate this year, and continue to get better throughout the season.
Interesting comment about this kid in the draft process and LA Career. From an article in Jan 2023:
"Is it time for Rams to give up on Robert Rochell?"
"The young corner went from being an impact player as a rookie to an afterthought in 2022."
also from this article, "After playing 223 snaps and being targeted 20 times as a rookie, Rochell was on the field for only 27 snaps and a single target in 2022."
He had some injury problems at the end of 2021 and the Rams drafted at secondary heavy again in 2022.
This stuck out for me in this article, "In some aspects it’s unfair and unwise for the Rams not to put Rochell on the field: the team knew when they drafted him that they were investing in his athletic traits and needed to be patient with his football development. How can a young player develop football acumen without ever getting on the field? The Rams need a plan to unlock the full potential of their young corner, someone they were jumping in the pool for less than two years ago."
Lance Zierline Draft 2021, " His technique and spotty transitions will be quickly discovered and exploited by pro talent so he might require a year for additional work and polish. He attacks throws like the former wideout he is and could become successful at baiting quarterbacks into throws they shouldn't make. The ball production and rare physical traits/abilities could make him a fast riser in this draft as a Day 2 talent."
As you can see he has raw physical ability that needed to be developed with technique, reps, time and culture"
The Rams were melting down in 2022 and looking for an instant fix from developmental talent.
So why would Seattle take a chance on this kid. Pete never forgets (2021), "Rochell was thrust into starting action as soon as his fourth NFL game against the Seattle Seahawks, who pose a formidable challenge with receivers Tyler Lockett and DK Metcalf. The rookie corner played 54 snaps in his first start and drew four targets. He did allow a completion for a touchdown - and three completions for 36 yards overall - but Rochell also went aerial to knock away a perfect touchdown pass from Russell Wilson to Lockett."
By the way, Rochell is actually 5'11" according to numerous draft reports and the senior bowl sheet.
I think Seattle works with this kid with their system and footwork for a year on PS to see if he could be a potential roster shot as a #4 and ST in 2024. What better time for a discarded 4th rounder to land in a young CB room than this era in Seattle. ROI could pay off.
I was actually hoping the Seahawks would draft Kyu Blu so this is "an intriguing development" and we should all go for some "frosty, chocolate milkshakes".
It is kinda funny that Pete (and John's) track record post-LOB with DB development has been much, much better with the castoff reclamation projects from other rosters than with their own draft picks, at least up until 2021 with Tre Brown (even Michael Jackson Sr was someone else's draft pick). So here's a toast to Kyu and Rochell and hope they can provide both future depth AND future trade options.
Also, I enjoy any opportunity to hear all about the Rams' woes. McVay reaffirming he's an offensive-minded head coach is a good reminder that no matter how genius his schemes are, there are very few truly complete head coaches in the NFL (guys who can really manage all three aspects of the roster well) and Pete is one of those. I still have an eyebrow raised over the long stint of mediocre to bad defense play but I'm also aware of the circumstances that contributed to it.
The Rams are carrying €75m in dead money this year - about a third of the overall cap - second only to the Buccs. No matter what the Seahawks do, I expect to relish spending the season laughing at McVay, Kroenke and their half-assed fanbase. FTR.
Winning the Super Bowl was worth it to McVay, Kroenke and their half-assed fanbase but the repercussions of going all in and buying your way to the show definitely has a long tail (Broncos nod in agreement).
I will always rec FTR.
I am channeling my inner Costanza. Better rewind that VHS tape.
How could that piece of crap cost $98?
Truly, I laughed out loud!
Rochell and Kyu Blu -- two souls to reclaim, actually. Then what do you get, if Pete’s successful? Perhaps some draft picks mid season when a contender needs a Mike Jackson or Tre Brown or Cory Bryant? Or maybe a nose guard for two of them?
From Milan to Minsk...
Given the oblique Seinfeld reference in which Bette Midler was the leading actor in the Broadway adaptation... perhaps Pete Carroll can be the wind beneath Robert Rochell's wings?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93dkoUtrnZM
You mentioned Hard Knocks, so I can ignore the rest of the article and comment solely on that :p
God, what a dull season it has been! Charcuterie aside, that is, all time moment there. Just feels like a real lack of personalities or stories, which of course comes from the decision to focus so much on AR and avoid being around cuts/cut threatened players. If anyone is yet to watch it, Ep 1 is solid, skip the rest. But i won't blame the NFL/HBO for going with the Jets, it was the only option this year and if you're a Jets fan, then it being dull is good with the team just getting on with things. [Or maybe at this point Hard Knocks is played out, with teams and fans knowing about it so much it's hard to surprise or engage quite the same?]
I actually thought the best episode may have been this last one, where, when they took a break from swooning over AR, they focused on the far more interesting storylines of the UDFA rookie WRs. Tanzel Smart's car-coochie board was fantastic. Did Solomon Thomas make some kind of salami flower pedal thing?!?! Dude! This stuff is what has always made Hard Knocks compelling television and it's a shame they departed from the usual formula this season.
Yes. Yes. Yes... annnnnnd... yes.