I am still of the belief that we got a lot of solid starters from this class, and the benefit of their cheap rookie contracts is behind us. The proof in the pudding is how many we extend and how those extensions fit into the overall talent/salary picture. Riq was the big early win in this class, but Coby’s yr 3 is what put the class very the top.
How many of these guys does JS extend? How many do we trade for value? How many become long-term foundational players? All these questions are unresolved. And we have zero playoff wins (one playoff appearance) during the rookie contract run for this class.
The good news is that we have 6 young talented guys playing for contracts this year. That always makes a difference in the NFL. Good reason to view the Vegas 7.5 O/U as BS. What we get after this year, we’ll see.
For centers, the fifth-year option salary apparently is based on the pay for all OL positions ($23.4M this year). My take is that the Ravens knew that a fifth year wasn’t in the picture when they drafted Linderbaum. They do want to re-sign or extend him.
That being said, you’d really have to want a center (or guard) to draft him in the first round.
They most certainly are on a hot streak, even considering the possibility that half or even more than half of the 2024 class will not work out for one reason or another, though that is about the floor. And 2022, and 2023 are working out good, but the Rams did remake their DL with about a 100% hit rate on their picks last year. We need Murphy to take that next step and Haynes or someone from that stable of RG's we have to take that FIRST step of owning that position. If someone can beat out Olu for center that would have to be a good step forward, but I still believe Olu can master that position with a bit more strength. We are well positioned to win 11 or 12 games this year. I look at our non-divisional games and don't see anyone that scares me.
I am amazed at the talent evaluation by the Seahawks. One area of improvement (that appears to be a more significant focus in the JS/MM era) is player development. We are a 9.5/10 in talent evaluation and a 3/10 in development. The Chiefs are a great example of development and the Eagles are vying for first in both categories.
100%. I'm hoping the new coaching staff can move the needle significantly. I think on defense last year, the player development was very good (Knight & Bryant for example). Even Leo had his best season. On offense last year, I can't think of a player that got significantly better. JSN maybe, and Cross to a limited extent.
If the offensive coaching staff can move the needle on that o-line, that would be so, so good.
I already like what has been reported on Benton (OL coach). He was decisive and quick to fix the small details in footwork he saw in mini-camp, and coached them during the scrimmages. MM said they decided not to go slow and stop things to coach guys this year. They had them adjust on the fly to have it translate quicker and more effectively, among other things. Benton is putting his 20yr experienced stamp on things from the get-go.
Just learned that after 1978, every time there is a new Pope, the Seahawks go to the Superbowl. Getting my Catholic wife a #14 Pope Leo Seahawks jersey (since he's Pope Leo XIV). That has to be good luck, right?
This is an example of why I say that JS and group are good at this. Yes lean years due to reaches. And sometimes he doesn’t extend players. But ever pick in that draft is still on an NFL roster. Bo and Smith may be changing teams, again. But every pick still under nfl contract. Late rounders still there. Amazing. And agreed with other poster. Coming into their prime but unlike those couple great draft pick years. Let’s go Hawks!
That was fun to read There are people evaluating this. Now let's see the same breakdown for every possible draft and compare GM'S / coaches across the league...I would love to see how these professional people pickers pan out. Glad Seattle comes in top but still gotta keep it up...here's to 2025 class...cheers!!!
Thank you Kenny. If these were truly transformative classes we should see a big jump this year, as those first two years should be entering peak production and at least a couple rookies this year should pop. The end of the 2012 season was electric. When the Seahawks went on a run and stomped the 49ers in prime time there was an excitement about the team I hadn’t seen or felt before.
I had seen and felt it, but not in 11-12 years. I so hate that the end of Pete's time here had to go like that; but we drafted poorly to mediocre, constantly left holes in the roster that we overpaid to fill, and and hired coordinators that are no longer in the league. It stinks, but I think Pete's loyalty was partly to blame. And no matter if it was due to John or Pete, the ignoring of the interior O line was criminal. We had some good times and players who I loved during the end of the era, but 9-7 over and over again (without a single playoff win) is not what keeps your job security.
I'll always love Pete Carroll for bringing us the only championship I've ever lived to see us win, and doing so while my mama was alive. And some of his later draft classes are coming into form, but the NFL is called the "not for long" league for a reason. I hope John and Mike Mac can turn it around, but will probably shed a tear if the Raiders win the Super Bowl before Pete retires.
If you haven't watched JS's interview with Michael Gervais it's worth a watch. He talks about how one of his mistakes was clinging to those stars that won them a SB too long. Putting too many resources into those players and not being able to fill out the roster. That's the one thing the Patriots always did well in their heyday. They let aging talent go as soon as they were no longer elite. Hard to do, and it often gets interpreted as not being loyal to the players that brought success to the organization. But in a 'win forever' world, that's what you have to do.
I just shake my head when Richard Sherman tweets (xs?) "there's no loyalty with this team anymore!!! Will anyone ever retire a Seahawk again!?!" I don't reply, but my brain wants to tell him, "duh, doing this is exactly why the team declined." He's still bitter that he didn't get near quarterback money pushing 30 and coming off a torn achilles. As an athelete who needs to break and change direction in a fraction of a second. I sometimes wonder if he really understands but is in denial; or still thinks the dumb ol' Seahawks refused to sign the "best corner in the game."
I am still of the belief that we got a lot of solid starters from this class, and the benefit of their cheap rookie contracts is behind us. The proof in the pudding is how many we extend and how those extensions fit into the overall talent/salary picture. Riq was the big early win in this class, but Coby’s yr 3 is what put the class very the top.
How many of these guys does JS extend? How many do we trade for value? How many become long-term foundational players? All these questions are unresolved. And we have zero playoff wins (one playoff appearance) during the rookie contract run for this class.
The good news is that we have 6 young talented guys playing for contracts this year. That always makes a difference in the NFL. Good reason to view the Vegas 7.5 O/U as BS. What we get after this year, we’ll see.
For centers, the fifth-year option salary apparently is based on the pay for all OL positions ($23.4M this year). My take is that the Ravens knew that a fifth year wasn’t in the picture when they drafted Linderbaum. They do want to re-sign or extend him.
That being said, you’d really have to want a center (or guard) to draft him in the first round.
"... could be no less than star-ters." KenJoe has to be smiling when coming up with this !
Or practicing his dad joke game for Clark... maybe a Li'l Joe in the future?
They most certainly are on a hot streak, even considering the possibility that half or even more than half of the 2024 class will not work out for one reason or another, though that is about the floor. And 2022, and 2023 are working out good, but the Rams did remake their DL with about a 100% hit rate on their picks last year. We need Murphy to take that next step and Haynes or someone from that stable of RG's we have to take that FIRST step of owning that position. If someone can beat out Olu for center that would have to be a good step forward, but I still believe Olu can master that position with a bit more strength. We are well positioned to win 11 or 12 games this year. I look at our non-divisional games and don't see anyone that scares me.
I am amazed at the talent evaluation by the Seahawks. One area of improvement (that appears to be a more significant focus in the JS/MM era) is player development. We are a 9.5/10 in talent evaluation and a 3/10 in development. The Chiefs are a great example of development and the Eagles are vying for first in both categories.
100%. I'm hoping the new coaching staff can move the needle significantly. I think on defense last year, the player development was very good (Knight & Bryant for example). Even Leo had his best season. On offense last year, I can't think of a player that got significantly better. JSN maybe, and Cross to a limited extent.
If the offensive coaching staff can move the needle on that o-line, that would be so, so good.
I already like what has been reported on Benton (OL coach). He was decisive and quick to fix the small details in footwork he saw in mini-camp, and coached them during the scrimmages. MM said they decided not to go slow and stop things to coach guys this year. They had them adjust on the fly to have it translate quicker and more effectively, among other things. Benton is putting his 20yr experienced stamp on things from the get-go.
Just learned that after 1978, every time there is a new Pope, the Seahawks go to the Superbowl. Getting my Catholic wife a #14 Pope Leo Seahawks jersey (since he's Pope Leo XIV). That has to be good luck, right?
Hey, that's as good a reason as any to win a SB. I'm not a Catholic, but I'll I'd become one if we won a SB this year.
Noice !
Sounds like true sports science to me!
LOL.
This is an example of why I say that JS and group are good at this. Yes lean years due to reaches. And sometimes he doesn’t extend players. But ever pick in that draft is still on an NFL roster. Bo and Smith may be changing teams, again. But every pick still under nfl contract. Late rounders still there. Amazing. And agreed with other poster. Coming into their prime but unlike those couple great draft pick years. Let’s go Hawks!
2 things:
I assume Nick Emmerson was meant to be written as Emmanwori.
What rank did SIS give Seattle initially after that draft?
That was fun to read There are people evaluating this. Now let's see the same breakdown for every possible draft and compare GM'S / coaches across the league...I would love to see how these professional people pickers pan out. Glad Seattle comes in top but still gotta keep it up...here's to 2025 class...cheers!!!
Thank you Kenny. If these were truly transformative classes we should see a big jump this year, as those first two years should be entering peak production and at least a couple rookies this year should pop. The end of the 2012 season was electric. When the Seahawks went on a run and stomped the 49ers in prime time there was an excitement about the team I hadn’t seen or felt before.
I had seen and felt it, but not in 11-12 years. I so hate that the end of Pete's time here had to go like that; but we drafted poorly to mediocre, constantly left holes in the roster that we overpaid to fill, and and hired coordinators that are no longer in the league. It stinks, but I think Pete's loyalty was partly to blame. And no matter if it was due to John or Pete, the ignoring of the interior O line was criminal. We had some good times and players who I loved during the end of the era, but 9-7 over and over again (without a single playoff win) is not what keeps your job security.
I'll always love Pete Carroll for bringing us the only championship I've ever lived to see us win, and doing so while my mama was alive. And some of his later draft classes are coming into form, but the NFL is called the "not for long" league for a reason. I hope John and Mike Mac can turn it around, but will probably shed a tear if the Raiders win the Super Bowl before Pete retires.
If you haven't watched JS's interview with Michael Gervais it's worth a watch. He talks about how one of his mistakes was clinging to those stars that won them a SB too long. Putting too many resources into those players and not being able to fill out the roster. That's the one thing the Patriots always did well in their heyday. They let aging talent go as soon as they were no longer elite. Hard to do, and it often gets interpreted as not being loyal to the players that brought success to the organization. But in a 'win forever' world, that's what you have to do.
I just shake my head when Richard Sherman tweets (xs?) "there's no loyalty with this team anymore!!! Will anyone ever retire a Seahawk again!?!" I don't reply, but my brain wants to tell him, "duh, doing this is exactly why the team declined." He's still bitter that he didn't get near quarterback money pushing 30 and coming off a torn achilles. As an athelete who needs to break and change direction in a fraction of a second. I sometimes wonder if he really understands but is in denial; or still thinks the dumb ol' Seahawks refused to sign the "best corner in the game."
It was great getting to know JS more! Cool interview. 1hr long.
The Gervais interview:
https://youtu.be/Cutfr_C4GtI?feature=shared
Thank you!!!
100%. I watched our only SB win with my dad. It was glorious.