I stumbled onto a good article on Field Gulls (got lucky?). It has real juicy info about grading Nose Tackles that Pat Kirwen used in his prospect evaluation process. As with all FG articles, it isn't long, but it was very interesting. It is centered around a guy we invited to the mini-camp for a UDFA tryout.
Kept saying we needed LB depth. 135 tackles from inside LB spot. Of this group might have one of the best chances to make 53 man roster. Good to see a conference player of year guy picked up.
Obviously we won't really know much about this draft class and UDFA's until a year or two has drifted by. But the selections do point to what MM and JS think a 'Seahawk' is these days. JS always likes to pull out 'smart, tough, reliable' as the answer to that question, but I think that's just a starting spot........a baseline if you will. What seems to separate one 'smart, tough, reliable' player from a true 'Seahawk' is 'fast, nasty, and is 100% about football'.
Emmanwori is a case in point. Ridiculous athlete with holes in his game. But if MM can do with him what he did for Tyrice Knight last year, whoa Nelly! He could be a game wrecker. Milroe is another. If, and it's a big if, he can be coached up, get his throwing mechanics squared away, and teach him how to read pro defenses (all teachable to an apparently very bright young man), then again, a potential game wrecker. Even in his current form, he offers many possible solutions to the 3rd and short problem we've had over the past couple of years.
Time will tell. The pressure goes to the coaches now. Get these football junkies coached up and ready to go. If these athletes can become hardcore NFL football players, then we're definitely in business.
Arroyo is a player I don't think we've ever had in Seattle, at least in my memory. A WR disguised as a TE.......a la Kellen Winslow Jr, without the brain cramps. Really, really intriguing, if he stays healthy. The more I read about Rylie Mills, the more I like about him. Intense mf'er that you want on your team.
About to rip you on the Winslow comment but that was before seeing the “cramps” part. Posted that yes Milroe with a FB with Walker or Martinez in there with JSN, Kupp and likely Atrayo we could have the RZ issues fixed. Try to stop run or stop receivers.
LOL. Winslow was beautiful to watch before he mashed himself up on a motorcycle. Not an inline TE, but just a tremendous mover. He was also an entitled ass. Very curious to see what Arroyo proves out to be, but he moves in a similar way. And by all accounts, a fine young man and a super hard worker.
Agreed. He wasn’t nearly as good as his dad. Still one of my favorite football games ever was SD and Miami. But yes Jr was good at UW and for us until the “cramps” came in. I was actually worried about Aaroyo being a Univ of Miami player. That stinking university attitude. But sounds like he isn’t that way. Got skills that’s for sure. Man I remember Winslow and Hass and really thought Winslow was going to add a great threat to that team. So much talent wasted.
I'm most excited about the mini-camp invite of Thor Griffith. Monstrously strong and athletic, good production, Harvard brain. He can play NT and get sacks.
Thanks for this, Glassmonkey. Hope this guy works out well for the Hawks.
"Griffith trained in Florida at Bommarito Performance Systems, a high-intensity training facility run by Pete Bommarito. Bommarito specializes in preparing collegiate football players for the NFL Combine, so Griffith worked out there from January until his Louisville Pro Day in March. During these showcases, athletes are not just asked to play football, but are also observed sprinting, benching, doing the five-ten-five test, among other activities."
“When I was training for my Pro Day, it was like I wasn’t training for football anymore,” Griffith explained. “It’s more about gearing your training towards technique and muscle endurance. It was nothing that I did or that any of the other guys I was training with had done before.” Thanks to the months spent in grueling training, Griffith excelled in his Pro Day. He ran a 4.9-second 40-yard dash and showed off his strength by completing 42 bench press reps at 225 pounds."
"The time spent in Florida, though, was “mentally and physically taxing, since you’re trying to push yourself to your maximum limit during training every day,” said Griffith.
He attributes Harvard to helping him get through the challenging past few months. Not only did I have to prepare for games week in and week out, but also spend so many hours practicing, watching film, lifting, while at the same time balancing Harvard academics,” explained Griffith. “I learned how to balance that and handle super stressful situations.”
“I felt like Harvard really did prepare me to handle this process in a mental capacity, as I am used to the continuous work, work, work, work, every day mentality,” he added.
Looking at the position by position comparisons, one position group stands out as the least deep and possibly with the weakest link, and I am speaking of the CB room. Jobe has a very short history of working his ass off and not stinking, but he was far from a weapon. And there is nothing behind him. Zy Alexander will be penciled in as Jobe competition. Prichett was pathetic.
Sorry disagree. Nick allows Spoon to play any corner spot. Nick is a big nickel. Love and Coby have CB background. As for Pritchett, what I saw was a kid who hadn’t adjusted to the speed of the game. Not unlike Haynes. AJ adjusted as year went along. You want to give up on a player after only one year? Coach Mac now has 3 guys who can play nickel and interchange with each other and you can move Spoon to any of the 6 DB spots. I think that is why they traded up. And Alexander was a top 20 rated CB.
This draft outcome could be an indication that the staff thinks more highly of Woolen than we might have assumed a few days ago. His job security, at least for another season, seems pretty solid.
It sure does look solid for Riq - we need him. So that leaves the question of CB3, Jobe & co, a role that was nearly a full-time job last year considering the snaps taken by Jobe and Tre mainly, along with a couple games from Pritchett. I wonder how many of these snaps go to Nick E, (and will we move Coby around some?).
Seems like we still need one solid upgrade here, unless they think Jobe has shown enough growth to cover ~50% of the D snaps. We have cap room and a bunch of young OGs for trade bait, so it seems like there should be a signing or a deal for this spot. Last big move before camp?
You typically wouldn't spend the 35th pick on a safety that you didn't think would compete start right away. If Emmanwori is who they think/hope he is, we're going to want him, Spoon, Riq, and Love on their field most of the time, regardless of formation. Coby has earned the opportunity to play more snaps as well. That's five DBs that it may be hard to keep off the field. I'm not convinced that Jobe, or any other outside corner, is going to be on the field outside of dime packages as long everyone is healthy. They did meet with Shaquille Griffin recently. Maybe a reunion is coming.
That makes sense to me, I guess I just don’t understand (yet) how the secondary roles will fit together in MM’s 2025 defense. Is it 3 safeties and 2 CBs out there most of the time? Or is the 5th guy just a combo player whose position title doesn’t really matter?
I love that, /watching young men improve and reach their highest potential is fun. I think that is what I liked about the Geno story. However good rookies are, it rare they don't improve.
If Lucas has fixed his knee, and can play better than his rookie season, we could have our bookend tackles for the next 5 years. We now have about 9 IOL, and Bradford h going into his 3rd year with Olu are the oldest. We just need three of those players to step up and play at starter level. I’m optimistic that we will see significant improvements from the O-line this year.
Somewhere in the middle of the 6th round, Zy Alexander was listed as one of the best players still available, so maybe there is a chance he can stick. Fingers crossed for him.
I’d love to ask Doug Baldwin (patron saint of UFDAs) about the significance of the bonus and about exceedingly tall receivers running exceedingly fast.
That is so low it was to get him to come here vs another team. Cannot read anything into that. Had he gotten 6 figures then yes. He’s not replacing Fant.
I thought it was obvious, but that observation was based on not one example, but three. We drafted a 2nd round TE, a fifth round TE to be a FB, and THEN we paid an extra $5k for a UDFA TE.
No. We don’t need to save money now. Second the 5th rounder isn’t a TE. Third Coach K has expressed interest in Fant. Fant is a better receiver than Barner and this UDFA and every year Seattle brings in multiple TEs. As Shaymus posted, they are Special Team players. This UDFA is there to compete with Brady and Mabry. Note in your list you also forgot the FA acquisition of Saubert. But only Aaroyo has the receiving skills to match or exceed Fant.
The biggest overpaid player by far based on last year. 1 TD? I think they will shop him as soon as they see Barner’s improvement and what Arroyo is capable of doing.
Yeah. I think the only question about Fant now is at what point before the trade deadline will his value be greatest. If he's still on the roster in week 1, I'll be concerned about Arroyo's rookie season. If he's still on the roster on November 6th, I'll be concerned about Arroyo's career.
They are not in cap space hell, and the Kubiak system will have room for both Fant and Arroyo and Barner to get snaps. Might want to get Fant snaps and hope he looks good, or at least better than the last couple of years. Then if some TE gets hurt on a contender, he will have value.
I love the Ouzts and Martinez picks. Both are beasts. I saw Martinez at OSU. He rather run over people than around them. Two great picks for the Hawks short yardage problems.
Only one of these guys maybe will make the roster but I have confidence we will find him. In John and Mike we trust. Fantastic draft all around. The hype is real I feel.
That’s how I feel. I had the whole Seahawks game plan for the draft worked out for JS. He didn’t listen to me, but I’m 100% fine with that. I just don’t see how fans can believe they can do a better job. I projected every pick, and when I was wrong I simply said let’s just show the love to the new draftee!
While the Arkansas web site lists Broden at 6'7", at their Pro Day he measured "6051", which is six foot five and an eighth, with a 40 time of 4.37. There's a report of an "unofficial" 4.22 at the pro day, which frankly I find very hard to believe from someone that size not named Usain Bolt. Regardless, even a 4.37 is pretty darn fast for a big dude. Be interesting to see if he can run a route other than a streak. He wasn't used much by the Razorbacks the last couple of seasons - he had only half the receptions his jr/sr years than his frosh/soph years..
Bob Hayes was other worldly. As fast as he was in the 100, he was better in the 60, an indoor race he won consistently. Zone defense was a gimmick until he came along and it was impossible for 90% of the DBs to cover him in man coverage. I think he averaged more than 20 yards a catch in a few of his early seasons
I actually was texted his name during the draft Saturday as he was, as you note, was ranked and was in Danes The Beast. I thought he could be drafted. Interesting they got him.
SI : "In addition to cornerback, one position that there was a case to hit up that the Seattle Seahawks did not this weekend was edge rusher."
"Then again, this class was so deep at edge that the Seahawks front office may have figured they could still land an impact player at this spot after the draft. If so, they seem to have hit the money. According to NFL.com's rankings of the top reported undrafted free agent signings, Seattle is getting two of the top five edge rushers."
I stumbled onto a good article on Field Gulls (got lucky?). It has real juicy info about grading Nose Tackles that Pat Kirwen used in his prospect evaluation process. As with all FG articles, it isn't long, but it was very interesting. It is centered around a guy we invited to the mini-camp for a UDFA tryout.
Check it out:
https://www.fieldgulls.com/f/2025/5/1/24421948/scouting-the-perfect-nose-tackle-and-a-glimmer-of-hope
Kept saying we needed LB depth. 135 tackles from inside LB spot. Of this group might have one of the best chances to make 53 man roster. Good to see a conference player of year guy picked up.
So SJ you want to get SMALLER at Center????
Obviously we won't really know much about this draft class and UDFA's until a year or two has drifted by. But the selections do point to what MM and JS think a 'Seahawk' is these days. JS always likes to pull out 'smart, tough, reliable' as the answer to that question, but I think that's just a starting spot........a baseline if you will. What seems to separate one 'smart, tough, reliable' player from a true 'Seahawk' is 'fast, nasty, and is 100% about football'.
Emmanwori is a case in point. Ridiculous athlete with holes in his game. But if MM can do with him what he did for Tyrice Knight last year, whoa Nelly! He could be a game wrecker. Milroe is another. If, and it's a big if, he can be coached up, get his throwing mechanics squared away, and teach him how to read pro defenses (all teachable to an apparently very bright young man), then again, a potential game wrecker. Even in his current form, he offers many possible solutions to the 3rd and short problem we've had over the past couple of years.
Time will tell. The pressure goes to the coaches now. Get these football junkies coached up and ready to go. If these athletes can become hardcore NFL football players, then we're definitely in business.
Arroyo is a player I don't think we've ever had in Seattle, at least in my memory. A WR disguised as a TE.......a la Kellen Winslow Jr, without the brain cramps. Really, really intriguing, if he stays healthy. The more I read about Rylie Mills, the more I like about him. Intense mf'er that you want on your team.
About to rip you on the Winslow comment but that was before seeing the “cramps” part. Posted that yes Milroe with a FB with Walker or Martinez in there with JSN, Kupp and likely Atrayo we could have the RZ issues fixed. Try to stop run or stop receivers.
LOL. Winslow was beautiful to watch before he mashed himself up on a motorcycle. Not an inline TE, but just a tremendous mover. He was also an entitled ass. Very curious to see what Arroyo proves out to be, but he moves in a similar way. And by all accounts, a fine young man and a super hard worker.
Agreed. He wasn’t nearly as good as his dad. Still one of my favorite football games ever was SD and Miami. But yes Jr was good at UW and for us until the “cramps” came in. I was actually worried about Aaroyo being a Univ of Miami player. That stinking university attitude. But sounds like he isn’t that way. Got skills that’s for sure. Man I remember Winslow and Hass and really thought Winslow was going to add a great threat to that team. So much talent wasted.
I'm most excited about the mini-camp invite of Thor Griffith. Monstrously strong and athletic, good production, Harvard brain. He can play NT and get sacks.
Thanks for this, Glassmonkey. Hope this guy works out well for the Hawks.
"Griffith trained in Florida at Bommarito Performance Systems, a high-intensity training facility run by Pete Bommarito. Bommarito specializes in preparing collegiate football players for the NFL Combine, so Griffith worked out there from January until his Louisville Pro Day in March. During these showcases, athletes are not just asked to play football, but are also observed sprinting, benching, doing the five-ten-five test, among other activities."
“When I was training for my Pro Day, it was like I wasn’t training for football anymore,” Griffith explained. “It’s more about gearing your training towards technique and muscle endurance. It was nothing that I did or that any of the other guys I was training with had done before.” Thanks to the months spent in grueling training, Griffith excelled in his Pro Day. He ran a 4.9-second 40-yard dash and showed off his strength by completing 42 bench press reps at 225 pounds."
"The time spent in Florida, though, was “mentally and physically taxing, since you’re trying to push yourself to your maximum limit during training every day,” said Griffith.
He attributes Harvard to helping him get through the challenging past few months. Not only did I have to prepare for games week in and week out, but also spend so many hours practicing, watching film, lifting, while at the same time balancing Harvard academics,” explained Griffith. “I learned how to balance that and handle super stressful situations.”
“I felt like Harvard really did prepare me to handle this process in a mental capacity, as I am used to the continuous work, work, work, work, every day mentality,” he added.
Looking at the position by position comparisons, one position group stands out as the least deep and possibly with the weakest link, and I am speaking of the CB room. Jobe has a very short history of working his ass off and not stinking, but he was far from a weapon. And there is nothing behind him. Zy Alexander will be penciled in as Jobe competition. Prichett was pathetic.
Sorry disagree. Nick allows Spoon to play any corner spot. Nick is a big nickel. Love and Coby have CB background. As for Pritchett, what I saw was a kid who hadn’t adjusted to the speed of the game. Not unlike Haynes. AJ adjusted as year went along. You want to give up on a player after only one year? Coach Mac now has 3 guys who can play nickel and interchange with each other and you can move Spoon to any of the 6 DB spots. I think that is why they traded up. And Alexander was a top 20 rated CB.
This draft outcome could be an indication that the staff thinks more highly of Woolen than we might have assumed a few days ago. His job security, at least for another season, seems pretty solid.
It sure does look solid for Riq - we need him. So that leaves the question of CB3, Jobe & co, a role that was nearly a full-time job last year considering the snaps taken by Jobe and Tre mainly, along with a couple games from Pritchett. I wonder how many of these snaps go to Nick E, (and will we move Coby around some?).
Seems like we still need one solid upgrade here, unless they think Jobe has shown enough growth to cover ~50% of the D snaps. We have cap room and a bunch of young OGs for trade bait, so it seems like there should be a signing or a deal for this spot. Last big move before camp?
You typically wouldn't spend the 35th pick on a safety that you didn't think would compete start right away. If Emmanwori is who they think/hope he is, we're going to want him, Spoon, Riq, and Love on their field most of the time, regardless of formation. Coby has earned the opportunity to play more snaps as well. That's five DBs that it may be hard to keep off the field. I'm not convinced that Jobe, or any other outside corner, is going to be on the field outside of dime packages as long everyone is healthy. They did meet with Shaquille Griffin recently. Maybe a reunion is coming.
That makes sense to me, I guess I just don’t understand (yet) how the secondary roles will fit together in MM’s 2025 defense. Is it 3 safeties and 2 CBs out there most of the time? Or is the 5th guy just a combo player whose position title doesn’t really matter?
But as MM says, players are allowed to get better
I love that, /watching young men improve and reach their highest potential is fun. I think that is what I liked about the Geno story. However good rookies are, it rare they don't improve.
If Lucas has fixed his knee, and can play better than his rookie season, we could have our bookend tackles for the next 5 years. We now have about 9 IOL, and Bradford h going into his 3rd year with Olu are the oldest. We just need three of those players to step up and play at starter level. I’m optimistic that we will see significant improvements from the O-line this year.
Somewhere in the middle of the 6th round, Zy Alexander was listed as one of the best players still available, so maybe there is a chance he can stick. Fingers crossed for him.
I'd bet on it at this point.
Bubba just sounds like the name of a nose tackle. I want a big ol’ Bubba plugging up the middle of the defense.
And he played for South Alabama. All the best Bubbas come from South Alabama!
I’d love to ask Doug Baldwin (patron saint of UFDAs) about the significance of the bonus and about exceedingly tall receivers running exceedingly fast.
I bet he'd be Angry
So the Hawks paid a UDF Tight End an additional $5000? It feels like they are really dissatisfied with the current TE group.
That is so low it was to get him to come here vs another team. Cannot read anything into that. Had he gotten 6 figures then yes. He’s not replacing Fant.
I thought it was obvious, but that observation was based on not one example, but three. We drafted a 2nd round TE, a fifth round TE to be a FB, and THEN we paid an extra $5k for a UDFA TE.
No. We don’t need to save money now. Second the 5th rounder isn’t a TE. Third Coach K has expressed interest in Fant. Fant is a better receiver than Barner and this UDFA and every year Seattle brings in multiple TEs. As Shaymus posted, they are Special Team players. This UDFA is there to compete with Brady and Mabry. Note in your list you also forgot the FA acquisition of Saubert. But only Aaroyo has the receiving skills to match or exceed Fant.
Most of these guys will have to be Special Teamers, so maybe he is more of a ST than a TE
I'm hoping Fant is released now, not a hater on him but don't think he's worth what he costs.
The biggest overpaid player by far based on last year. 1 TD? I think they will shop him as soon as they see Barner’s improvement and what Arroyo is capable of doing.
Yeah. I think the only question about Fant now is at what point before the trade deadline will his value be greatest. If he's still on the roster in week 1, I'll be concerned about Arroyo's rookie season. If he's still on the roster on November 6th, I'll be concerned about Arroyo's career.
They are not in cap space hell, and the Kubiak system will have room for both Fant and Arroyo and Barner to get snaps. Might want to get Fant snaps and hope he looks good, or at least better than the last couple of years. Then if some TE gets hurt on a contender, he will have value.
Would love a backstory on Tyrone because he us so different than any other WR we have on the roster.
I love the Ouzts and Martinez picks. Both are beasts. I saw Martinez at OSU. He rather run over people than around them. Two great picks for the Hawks short yardage problems.
Goal line game just got 2 times better. Throw in Milroe as QB and let them find out what happens if they stack the box.
Only one of these guys maybe will make the roster but I have confidence we will find him. In John and Mike we trust. Fantastic draft all around. The hype is real I feel.
That’s how I feel. I had the whole Seahawks game plan for the draft worked out for JS. He didn’t listen to me, but I’m 100% fine with that. I just don’t see how fans can believe they can do a better job. I projected every pick, and when I was wrong I simply said let’s just show the love to the new draftee!
While the Arkansas web site lists Broden at 6'7", at their Pro Day he measured "6051", which is six foot five and an eighth, with a 40 time of 4.37. There's a report of an "unofficial" 4.22 at the pro day, which frankly I find very hard to believe from someone that size not named Usain Bolt. Regardless, even a 4.37 is pretty darn fast for a big dude. Be interesting to see if he can run a route other than a streak. He wasn't used much by the Razorbacks the last couple of seasons - he had only half the receptions his jr/sr years than his frosh/soph years..
Mr Broden is listed at 200 lbs. so I don't think he's going to double up as a Tight End. He better be fast and sure-handed.
Bob Hayes made a heck of a career of only running a streak.
I think football is “just a bit” more sophisticated now, but it’s been done.
Bob Hayes was other worldly. As fast as he was in the 100, he was better in the 60, an indoor race he won consistently. Zone defense was a gimmick until he came along and it was impossible for 90% of the DBs to cover him in man coverage. I think he averaged more than 20 yards a catch in a few of his early seasons
We also signed Jared Ivey, who was projected as high as the 3rd round but fell probably in large due to effort concerns.
I actually was texted his name during the draft Saturday as he was, as you note, was ranked and was in Danes The Beast. I thought he could be drafted. Interesting they got him.
SI : "In addition to cornerback, one position that there was a case to hit up that the Seattle Seahawks did not this weekend was edge rusher."
"Then again, this class was so deep at edge that the Seahawks front office may have figured they could still land an impact player at this spot after the draft. If so, they seem to have hit the money. According to NFL.com's rankings of the top reported undrafted free agent signings, Seattle is getting two of the top five edge rushers."
That's the guy I'm most keen on watching through the off-season programs and preseason.
I love when we get that one UDFA that turns out to be a good NFL player.