I'm excited to see what kind of season Arroyo has as a rookie. I wonder if MVS getting released has as much to do with lining him up as an outside receiver as it does Horton playing well? I'm getting way ahead of things here, but I'm imagining a lot of 3 TE formations where Arroyo motions to the outside and anything could happen.
I can't wait to watch Ouzts and Zabel...just the run game improvements are going to make me so happy. Roster looks solid, couple surprises but nothing major.
Pretty much what most expected. I still see an edge and guard that can play both sides. JS seems to make some weird moves at times. Remember the broken down OL guy ( I forget his name). He was worn out when he was signed. The Edge ziggy Ansah ?
The exact origin of the word "flabbergasted" is unknown, but first appeared in print in the 18th century as fashionable slang. It evolved over time from meaning "struck with fear" to the modern sense of being "astonished." I said I'd be flabbergasted if they released MVS, and here I am in 300 years after the word was invented, being flabbergasted.
It's really not that big of a deal, but I agree with everything SSJ points out in the article. What a poor FA signing. It's not like he was some mystery either. There's plenty of tape on this guy and he even played for our current OC just one year ago. There should have been zero doubt that he'd make the roster the moment they offered him that contract!
The Seahawks did not consult me when they signed MVS and guaranteed 3M. I would have told them it would be much better if MVS failed to make the team than for him to legitimately make the team on his merits because his merits are more like demerits as he has poor hands. Still, I have since learned or deduced that he is a good teammate, blocks well, and is really big and still fast. So, he wasn't that bad as a hedge against not finding a startable worthy 5th round receiver. But we hit the jackpot and found that rarest of rare 5th round receiver with speed, hands, and intelligence. It's almost a miracle. So given no one really counts on miracles fixing their lives, I am not as hard on John S. as you are.
I agree that the MVS cut is another dogshit FA signing for Schneider. However, I am glad that they didn't keep him JUST because of the $3M guarantee. Makes me hopeful that they really like what they have in their young developmental WRs. Begaw!
Does our lack of big DT/NT possibly signal less three man fronts? Are we looking at 4 man fronts with more two DT (Williams /Reed) with olb and DE (Hall/Lawrence) and have Murphy in to rotate? Sorry not to muddle the point...but without those big bodies (Bohanna, Pili, Hankins) does that maybe signal we're doing something different defensively?
I expected 26 on offense and 24 on defense, due to protecting a 3rd QB, the need for a FB, and the importance of the OL and TEs - not to mention an offense-heavy draft class. I didn’t expect a 27/23 split. But this is on Tuesday, a week and more before the opener. The 27/23 balance is unlikely to hold, but it might, due to the factors mentioned.
Another reason to have an offense-leaning roster is that they are unproven. On defense, we have starters, rotational players, special-teamers, and backups who will only get significant snaps if there are injury woes. On offense, we have all of that, plus guys who might get promoted if the primary players don’t pan out.
Yet another reason for fewer defensive players is that we have hybrids between safety and LB, LBs who can play up, and defensive linemen who can slide in and out, not to mention a CB who can play into the backfield. Lots of fungible players there. Offensive roles don’t have quite that level of flexibility.
This feels strategic to me. The offensive scheme requires more pieces than teams who focus on 11-personnel. This is enabled by a defensive scheme that has less rigid roles and is less dependent on a large number of specific backups. So maybe we start with 27/23. The offensive personnel will be refined over the first half of the season, similar to the changes we saw on defense during 2024. As the games roll by, the team can move to 26/24 as the balance point.
Yes! Let’s try to learn from past mistakes & move forward with this years vets & rookies. I’m looking forward to watching this team grow into a very special team. With the new coaching staff it could be a very fun year of football in Seattle! Go Seahawks!
Overall: what you said about this roster vs '22, '23 and '24 rosters is what I also see. The many whiffs in FA are more than counterweighted by the fabulous recent drafts -- and Leonard Williams, Jarran Reed, Julian Love, DeMarcus Lawrence (this guy is going to cause WAY more damage than people think), Cooper Kupp and Sam Darnold for me are enough to forget all the whiffs. I realize the last three haven't yet proved they can stay on the field (injuries and/or performance) but I think they're really strong signings.
MVS is a surprise but I do think Horton is a bigger surprise. In the draft itself it became obvious Seattle was comfortable with its WR roster. Took a flyer on Horton and White, but there were so many other WR choices ahead of him Seattle could have taken and didn't. Think they really thought MVS was going to be the X. And a relatively cheap one at that. Who knows what the circumstances were at that time but it looks to me like they thought they had solved that issue early on and focused on other units. Then Horton a) is available deep in the draft, b) he's recovered from his injury and c) he's everything and more that he appeared to be in college. So MVS who is one-dimensional (no ST) and not as intriguing as Horton, finds himself on the outside looking in and Seattle lost $3m. So be it -- I think Schneider did have a solution which let him focus the draft elsewhere, which is the importance of the MVS signing when it happened. I'm actually fine with this $3m, don't see it as egregious as some of the others you rightfully listed.
But back to overall: we have a very very good roster, esp if we can avoid injuries. I'm very happy (just a bit worried about LB...)
I think Kallerup is holding down a spot till they sign an off ball LB. Once Horton showed I knew MVS was gone. Love most of the moves, especially keeping White, Young.and Okada. I thought Pilli was a lock. I can't see him not being claimed. More moves to come. So far so good. Can't believe Woods was cut!
I don't fault the MVS signing. It was before the draft, after all. In the draft, we got Horton, in the fifth round, right? (Memory? I had one, once...) And he fell that far because of injury. No guarantee the draft board would yield a receiver, no guarantee Horton would prove out. (And he hasn't, yet.) But, as Michael-Shawn Duggar pointed out, a veteran WR4 who doesn't play special teams...is an obvious cut. I suspect that some of the curious retentions have to do with the current special team rules, as well.
But 3 LBs. Huh.
Be interesting to see what moves get made this week. Bottom of the roster stuff isn't going to change the top line much, but...it might, when the hitting starts. Seems like we're real thin at backup tackle...and linebacker...
I'm not fussed about the MVS signing either. You make decisions on what your roster looks like pre-draft, what FA talent is available to you, and what you're willing to pay. If You're going to have a meritocracy, you can't start keeping underperforming players over better players. Cut your losses, admit your mistakes. We always fish in FA at the shallow end of the talent pool, so there will be failures. Way bigger mistakes on 2nd and 3rd contracts to players who shouldn't get them. Jamal cough Adams cough.
O'Toole instead of O'Connell is interesting. Super happy for Cody White, and surprised they kept 6 WR's. Richman instead of Jarrell is a surprise, and I have to believe they aren't done at OT yet. Richman looked better inside and less so outside, so Jones is the only backup OT, at least in my eyes.
Robbie Smash is the dude for 2025. Excited to see whether Zach takes the lead RB role, and K9 comes in as the 'change of pace' back, rather than the other way around. Praying that Tyrice is back to full health by game day.
D-Law is another one I'm looking forward to seeing. Something tells me he might be the one add to this team we're all talking about at the end of the year. Stay thirsty my friend.
MM has made some past comments about needing to play him out of position, somewhat, because Leonard Williams is so good, but they still want Murphy on the field. We then ask, "so why'd you draft him when we have other needs?" To which he says, "cause he was the best player available with our fist round pick." Then we all just shrug and wish everyone luck in their endeavors.
I hope Martinez lands on the practice squad as I remember him as a strong runner at Oregon State. I know his preseason was meh, but he’s young and strong and might be needed during a long season. 3 RBs for a team that wants to focus on running the ball makes me a bit nervous.
That’s why I hope he lands on the PS. I remember that year not so long ago when all the RBs were injured and the Hawks had to sign a couple off the street. If I remember correctly Marshawn came out of retirement to get them through the end of the season.
Correction: Christian Haynes has been put on IR, as has Steven Sims.
Deferring the decision.
Which Seahawks player are you most excited to see take the field in Week 1?
Emmanwori. I'm excited to see his progress from week 1 to week 18.
K9. The dog?
I'm excited to see what kind of season Arroyo has as a rookie. I wonder if MVS getting released has as much to do with lining him up as an outside receiver as it does Horton playing well? I'm getting way ahead of things here, but I'm imagining a lot of 3 TE formations where Arroyo motions to the outside and anything could happen.
Woolen, K9, the entire O-line and D-line
I can't wait to watch Ouzts and Zabel...just the run game improvements are going to make me so happy. Roster looks solid, couple surprises but nothing major.
Anything blocking related will be worth keeping an eye on for sure. Those 2 looked like the real deal.
Lucas looked like the Lucas we hoped he would be in his third year, which is very very good. Maybe elite.
Kenneth Walker
100%. What if we've gotten a taste of this run offense but then Walker makes it a flavor explosion?
I'm ready to taste the rainbow, Joe
Pretty much what most expected. I still see an edge and guard that can play both sides. JS seems to make some weird moves at times. Remember the broken down OL guy ( I forget his name). He was worn out when he was signed. The Edge ziggy Ansah ?
The exact origin of the word "flabbergasted" is unknown, but first appeared in print in the 18th century as fashionable slang. It evolved over time from meaning "struck with fear" to the modern sense of being "astonished." I said I'd be flabbergasted if they released MVS, and here I am in 300 years after the word was invented, being flabbergasted.
It's really not that big of a deal, but I agree with everything SSJ points out in the article. What a poor FA signing. It's not like he was some mystery either. There's plenty of tape on this guy and he even played for our current OC just one year ago. There should have been zero doubt that he'd make the roster the moment they offered him that contract!
The Seahawks did not consult me when they signed MVS and guaranteed 3M. I would have told them it would be much better if MVS failed to make the team than for him to legitimately make the team on his merits because his merits are more like demerits as he has poor hands. Still, I have since learned or deduced that he is a good teammate, blocks well, and is really big and still fast. So, he wasn't that bad as a hedge against not finding a startable worthy 5th round receiver. But we hit the jackpot and found that rarest of rare 5th round receiver with speed, hands, and intelligence. It's almost a miracle. So given no one really counts on miracles fixing their lives, I am not as hard on John S. as you are.
I agree that the MVS cut is another dogshit FA signing for Schneider. However, I am glad that they didn't keep him JUST because of the $3M guarantee. Makes me hopeful that they really like what they have in their young developmental WRs. Begaw!
Does our lack of big DT/NT possibly signal less three man fronts? Are we looking at 4 man fronts with more two DT (Williams /Reed) with olb and DE (Hall/Lawrence) and have Murphy in to rotate? Sorry not to muddle the point...but without those big bodies (Bohanna, Pili, Hankins) does that maybe signal we're doing something different defensively?
I expected 26 on offense and 24 on defense, due to protecting a 3rd QB, the need for a FB, and the importance of the OL and TEs - not to mention an offense-heavy draft class. I didn’t expect a 27/23 split. But this is on Tuesday, a week and more before the opener. The 27/23 balance is unlikely to hold, but it might, due to the factors mentioned.
Another reason to have an offense-leaning roster is that they are unproven. On defense, we have starters, rotational players, special-teamers, and backups who will only get significant snaps if there are injury woes. On offense, we have all of that, plus guys who might get promoted if the primary players don’t pan out.
Yet another reason for fewer defensive players is that we have hybrids between safety and LB, LBs who can play up, and defensive linemen who can slide in and out, not to mention a CB who can play into the backfield. Lots of fungible players there. Offensive roles don’t have quite that level of flexibility.
This feels strategic to me. The offensive scheme requires more pieces than teams who focus on 11-personnel. This is enabled by a defensive scheme that has less rigid roles and is less dependent on a large number of specific backups. So maybe we start with 27/23. The offensive personnel will be refined over the first half of the season, similar to the changes we saw on defense during 2024. As the games roll by, the team can move to 26/24 as the balance point.
Yes! Let’s try to learn from past mistakes & move forward with this years vets & rookies. I’m looking forward to watching this team grow into a very special team. With the new coaching staff it could be a very fun year of football in Seattle! Go Seahawks!
Overall: what you said about this roster vs '22, '23 and '24 rosters is what I also see. The many whiffs in FA are more than counterweighted by the fabulous recent drafts -- and Leonard Williams, Jarran Reed, Julian Love, DeMarcus Lawrence (this guy is going to cause WAY more damage than people think), Cooper Kupp and Sam Darnold for me are enough to forget all the whiffs. I realize the last three haven't yet proved they can stay on the field (injuries and/or performance) but I think they're really strong signings.
MVS is a surprise but I do think Horton is a bigger surprise. In the draft itself it became obvious Seattle was comfortable with its WR roster. Took a flyer on Horton and White, but there were so many other WR choices ahead of him Seattle could have taken and didn't. Think they really thought MVS was going to be the X. And a relatively cheap one at that. Who knows what the circumstances were at that time but it looks to me like they thought they had solved that issue early on and focused on other units. Then Horton a) is available deep in the draft, b) he's recovered from his injury and c) he's everything and more that he appeared to be in college. So MVS who is one-dimensional (no ST) and not as intriguing as Horton, finds himself on the outside looking in and Seattle lost $3m. So be it -- I think Schneider did have a solution which let him focus the draft elsewhere, which is the importance of the MVS signing when it happened. I'm actually fine with this $3m, don't see it as egregious as some of the others you rightfully listed.
But back to overall: we have a very very good roster, esp if we can avoid injuries. I'm very happy (just a bit worried about LB...)
You expressed my thoughts on MVS/Horton better than I could.
Same iLB concern here. Thinking a move is afoot.
Excited for Ivey and the WR's formerly on the practice squad. Now go make the most of it!
I think Kallerup is holding down a spot till they sign an off ball LB. Once Horton showed I knew MVS was gone. Love most of the moves, especially keeping White, Young.and Okada. I thought Pilli was a lock. I can't see him not being claimed. More moves to come. So far so good. Can't believe Woods was cut!
I agree, Kallerup probably first cut if we sign anyone. Him and O'Toole.
I don't fault the MVS signing. It was before the draft, after all. In the draft, we got Horton, in the fifth round, right? (Memory? I had one, once...) And he fell that far because of injury. No guarantee the draft board would yield a receiver, no guarantee Horton would prove out. (And he hasn't, yet.) But, as Michael-Shawn Duggar pointed out, a veteran WR4 who doesn't play special teams...is an obvious cut. I suspect that some of the curious retentions have to do with the current special team rules, as well.
But 3 LBs. Huh.
Be interesting to see what moves get made this week. Bottom of the roster stuff isn't going to change the top line much, but...it might, when the hitting starts. Seems like we're real thin at backup tackle...and linebacker...
I'm not fussed about the MVS signing either. You make decisions on what your roster looks like pre-draft, what FA talent is available to you, and what you're willing to pay. If You're going to have a meritocracy, you can't start keeping underperforming players over better players. Cut your losses, admit your mistakes. We always fish in FA at the shallow end of the talent pool, so there will be failures. Way bigger mistakes on 2nd and 3rd contracts to players who shouldn't get them. Jamal cough Adams cough.
Oh, and I'm surprised none of the rookie DTs (Pili and the other guy) made it.
O'Toole instead of O'Connell is interesting. Super happy for Cody White, and surprised they kept 6 WR's. Richman instead of Jarrell is a surprise, and I have to believe they aren't done at OT yet. Richman looked better inside and less so outside, so Jones is the only backup OT, at least in my eyes.
Robbie Smash is the dude for 2025. Excited to see whether Zach takes the lead RB role, and K9 comes in as the 'change of pace' back, rather than the other way around. Praying that Tyrice is back to full health by game day.
D-Law is another one I'm looking forward to seeing. Something tells me he might be the one add to this team we're all talking about at the end of the year. Stay thirsty my friend.
Worse thing about this 53 is Byron Murphy is going to play a lot of NT
I'm really surprised they released Pili (and/or Bohanna), especially with Hankins out for now.
Have they decided that's really what he's good for? That he was maybe overdrafted but still highly useful?
MM has made some past comments about needing to play him out of position, somewhat, because Leonard Williams is so good, but they still want Murphy on the field. We then ask, "so why'd you draft him when we have other needs?" To which he says, "cause he was the best player available with our fist round pick." Then we all just shrug and wish everyone luck in their endeavors.
I hope Martinez lands on the practice squad as I remember him as a strong runner at Oregon State. I know his preseason was meh, but he’s young and strong and might be needed during a long season. 3 RBs for a team that wants to focus on running the ball makes me a bit nervous.
I can't imagine they lose both of the RBs and they'll be able to elevate players from the practice squad, so it's stlil like having 4-5 RBs.
That’s why I hope he lands on the PS. I remember that year not so long ago when all the RBs were injured and the Hawks had to sign a couple off the street. If I remember correctly Marshawn came out of retirement to get them through the end of the season.