“There is a fifth dimension beyond that which is known to man. It is a dimension as vast as space and as timeless as infinity. It is the middle ground between light and shadow, between science and superstition, and it lies between the pit of man's fears and the summit of his knowledge. This is the dimension of imagination.”
In this dimension, you draft a QB #1 overall who in his first four years is 29th in yds/throw (6.8), is 29th is TD:Int (69/46) and 32nd in passer rating (85.0).
And then you give him a 5 yr/$275m contract, with $140m guaranteed.
You’ve drafted Trevor Lawrence.
You’ve entered an area which we call The Franchise Quarterback Zone
Comparing Milroe and Richardson to Wilson is a bit misleading. The first two are extremely athletic, but haven’t demonstrated “high football IQ” (whatever that actually means) or great success on the field. Wilson had been successful at 2 different schools in 2 different conferences, was quick, and an accurate passer, but was “too short.”(but he had big hands, as you may have heard 1000 times)
Wilson was competing against Flynn who had 2-3 starts in his career and a washed up T Jack. Milroe is competing against Darnold and Lock who have multiple seasons of starts, with some success, and are in their athletic prime years. AR was a huge reach at a high draft pick and was set up to fail. Milroe is probably not really a reach at his draft location and isn’t expected to be ready this season. Wilson was a no brainer pick if he was 2 inches taller and went on to pave the way for other short QBs like Murray and Mahomes. I don’t expect that level of success from Milroe this season, but perhaps in the future. AR seems like a talented young man who was used and abused instead of being allowed to develop.
I was going to add Malik as I was reading this and “cowboy” going Twitter crazy because Hawks didn’t draft him. And ARich. It’s like you say here, snake oil vs logic and reason. For all those expert pundits, we did get an ARich, but in 3rd round this year where we already had extra picks. Sure hindsight but even then anyone applying logic could see ARich and Malik etc were not quality NFL QBs. College game is now Madden Football. And if you can’t complete near 70% in college, you’re not going to do it in the NFL. Milroe wasn’t a wasted pick. Not all 3rd rounders turn into quality NFL players. But losing a contributor in the first (Ala Titans and Indy at moment (or the Jets and Giants habitually)) is detrimental to a team. Yes has we drafted them I would be throatily yelling and cheering from my Seahawks sideline seat on Sundays, but I’m so glad we have intelligent, logical and analytical scouts and management. I don’t want another Rick stinking Mirer wasted pick. If we strike gold again in the 3rd like 15 years ago and Milroe can take over, awesome. If he is another Kitna. Great. If Darnold gets us back to SB, I’m loving it.
I think the NFL used to develop quarterbacks and they don't really do that anymore. It's sad, really. Draft them too early and to be the savior of a bad team, then discard them after a couple years when they fail because the team didn't care enough to teach them how to do the basics like study film and read defenses.
I really hope that the Seahawks make a real commitment to give Milroe at least two years of solid development before looking at him to be a starter. Of course, unforeseen circumstances happen, such as injury, but if we want a real QBotF, I think that's the only way to go.
I’m guessing it would be all over the map. Brady was from Michigan, Rogers from Cal, Allen from Wyoming, Mahomes from Texas Tech, Goff from Cal, Daniels from Kansas, Geno was West Virginia, Darnold from USC….but that’s hardly scientific. It perhaps has more to do with the coaching staff and systems than the conference or school.
Looks to me like SJ has brought on the riptides and the undertow so that a whole bunch of so-called sports journalists and pundits can get swept out into the ocean with little chance of safe return.
A massively over hyped Milroe is this years Anthony Richardson! The numbers and the game film don't lie. When a draft prospect is described, I'd rather hear the prospect is just a "great football player" than a " great athlete!" If the Hawks plan on using him like the Saints use Hall, that's fine. If they think that he's a future face of the franchise starting QB, he was over drafted.
That one was a puzzler. I’m blocked from commenting at SDB or I would have said the obvious: Whatever you think about Levis, why take him at #5 when he will be available at #20 for certain and probably in the second round?
I much prefer drafting the low-floor-today-high-ceiling-tomorrow-QB in later rounds, rather than in round 1 with an expectation of saving the franchise in Week 1. If Milroe works out, it’s a grand slam. If he doesn’t, it’s just another mid-rounder who washed out, but in the meantime, he might win in a few trick play packages. The risk/reward ratio is as good as it gets.
I'm guessing a pretty strong majority of Hawk fans are happy with the choice to take Milroe. It's exciting to have a "physical unicorn" on the team and it was cool to see JS unexpectedly take a chance on this longshot.
I’m thinking that a lot of GMs wish they had done the same, but few of them had as strong a set of draft resources that John did.
We have at least three more reasons that it’s a fit. First, we have a Kubiak, run first offense. Second, we have neither a lack at QB or a franchise QB; we have solid bridges with Darnold and Lock. Third, JS took a shot on a promising but imperfect QB with wheels in the the third round before, and it worked out well.
It's not fair to judge AR this early. This is not a Jemarcus Russel situation. That said, a project at #5 (or #4) is what it is... at least some of those tweeters acknowledged it's a big roll of the dice (even if they badly misjudged the Seahawk's appetite/desire for such a risk). And I guess it's better than throwing away *two* top 10 picks, and a second rounder, and a good player to draft a (hopefully, one day) mediocre qb
Or to judge the content creators for being wrong on a young QB. Most people are wrong about young QB's, including NFL GM's and Coaches who know a lot more than content creators and media pundits. It's easy to criticize.
And in this same vein:
“There is a fifth dimension beyond that which is known to man. It is a dimension as vast as space and as timeless as infinity. It is the middle ground between light and shadow, between science and superstition, and it lies between the pit of man's fears and the summit of his knowledge. This is the dimension of imagination.”
In this dimension, you draft a QB #1 overall who in his first four years is 29th in yds/throw (6.8), is 29th is TD:Int (69/46) and 32nd in passer rating (85.0).
And then you give him a 5 yr/$275m contract, with $140m guaranteed.
You’ve drafted Trevor Lawrence.
You’ve entered an area which we call The Franchise Quarterback Zone
Comparing Milroe and Richardson to Wilson is a bit misleading. The first two are extremely athletic, but haven’t demonstrated “high football IQ” (whatever that actually means) or great success on the field. Wilson had been successful at 2 different schools in 2 different conferences, was quick, and an accurate passer, but was “too short.”(but he had big hands, as you may have heard 1000 times)
Wilson was competing against Flynn who had 2-3 starts in his career and a washed up T Jack. Milroe is competing against Darnold and Lock who have multiple seasons of starts, with some success, and are in their athletic prime years. AR was a huge reach at a high draft pick and was set up to fail. Milroe is probably not really a reach at his draft location and isn’t expected to be ready this season. Wilson was a no brainer pick if he was 2 inches taller and went on to pave the way for other short QBs like Murray and Mahomes. I don’t expect that level of success from Milroe this season, but perhaps in the future. AR seems like a talented young man who was used and abused instead of being allowed to develop.
I was going to add Malik as I was reading this and “cowboy” going Twitter crazy because Hawks didn’t draft him. And ARich. It’s like you say here, snake oil vs logic and reason. For all those expert pundits, we did get an ARich, but in 3rd round this year where we already had extra picks. Sure hindsight but even then anyone applying logic could see ARich and Malik etc were not quality NFL QBs. College game is now Madden Football. And if you can’t complete near 70% in college, you’re not going to do it in the NFL. Milroe wasn’t a wasted pick. Not all 3rd rounders turn into quality NFL players. But losing a contributor in the first (Ala Titans and Indy at moment (or the Jets and Giants habitually)) is detrimental to a team. Yes has we drafted them I would be throatily yelling and cheering from my Seahawks sideline seat on Sundays, but I’m so glad we have intelligent, logical and analytical scouts and management. I don’t want another Rick stinking Mirer wasted pick. If we strike gold again in the 3rd like 15 years ago and Milroe can take over, awesome. If he is another Kitna. Great. If Darnold gets us back to SB, I’m loving it.
I think the NFL used to develop quarterbacks and they don't really do that anymore. It's sad, really. Draft them too early and to be the savior of a bad team, then discard them after a couple years when they fail because the team didn't care enough to teach them how to do the basics like study film and read defenses.
I really hope that the Seahawks make a real commitment to give Milroe at least two years of solid development before looking at him to be a starter. Of course, unforeseen circumstances happen, such as injury, but if we want a real QBotF, I think that's the only way to go.
I grew up in the 'sink-or-swim' era. Maybe colleges prepped a guy better for the NFL?
Being a critic is the easiest job in the world. Being right on young QB's is one of the hardest.
It would be good to find if some colleges graduate more successful QBs? Is it the SEC that replicates best what a guy finds at the pro-level?
I’m guessing it would be all over the map. Brady was from Michigan, Rogers from Cal, Allen from Wyoming, Mahomes from Texas Tech, Goff from Cal, Daniels from Kansas, Geno was West Virginia, Darnold from USC….but that’s hardly scientific. It perhaps has more to do with the coaching staff and systems than the conference or school.
Seaside Joe rowing the boat with Facts and Logic. That's a boat I'm happy to be in.
Looks to me like SJ has brought on the riptides and the undertow so that a whole bunch of so-called sports journalists and pundits can get swept out into the ocean with little chance of safe return.
A massively over hyped Milroe is this years Anthony Richardson! The numbers and the game film don't lie. When a draft prospect is described, I'd rather hear the prospect is just a "great football player" than a " great athlete!" If the Hawks plan on using him like the Saints use Hall, that's fine. If they think that he's a future face of the franchise starting QB, he was over drafted.
I’ll never forget that year bc of the ongoing battle I had with Rob Stanton over Will Levis who he thought we should take at #5.
That one was a puzzler. I’m blocked from commenting at SDB or I would have said the obvious: Whatever you think about Levis, why take him at #5 when he will be available at #20 for certain and probably in the second round?
Got blocked too but if you pay the $5/mo then they let you live. Which I did, in order to keep the faith.
I much prefer drafting the low-floor-today-high-ceiling-tomorrow-QB in later rounds, rather than in round 1 with an expectation of saving the franchise in Week 1. If Milroe works out, it’s a grand slam. If he doesn’t, it’s just another mid-rounder who washed out, but in the meantime, he might win in a few trick play packages. The risk/reward ratio is as good as it gets.
I'm guessing a pretty strong majority of Hawk fans are happy with the choice to take Milroe. It's exciting to have a "physical unicorn" on the team and it was cool to see JS unexpectedly take a chance on this longshot.
I’m thinking that a lot of GMs wish they had done the same, but few of them had as strong a set of draft resources that John did.
We have at least three more reasons that it’s a fit. First, we have a Kubiak, run first offense. Second, we have neither a lack at QB or a franchise QB; we have solid bridges with Darnold and Lock. Third, JS took a shot on a promising but imperfect QB with wheels in the the third round before, and it worked out well.
The Milroe selection fits on many levels.
Purdy shows me all I need to know on the rating systems used by today's Raters.
It's not fair to judge AR this early. This is not a Jemarcus Russel situation. That said, a project at #5 (or #4) is what it is... at least some of those tweeters acknowledged it's a big roll of the dice (even if they badly misjudged the Seahawk's appetite/desire for such a risk). And I guess it's better than throwing away *two* top 10 picks, and a second rounder, and a good player to draft a (hopefully, one day) mediocre qb
Or to judge the content creators for being wrong on a young QB. Most people are wrong about young QB's, including NFL GM's and Coaches who know a lot more than content creators and media pundits. It's easy to criticize.
I expect we may see Richardson in a Raider's uniform soon.
Same thought but Cleveland...they seem to be collecting QBs.
Yes, the Rochester Raiders.
It seems a constant theme to look at measurables. I’d look for a winning record QB that could was a solid leader.
I admit I thought Trevor Lawrence would be great ; but he was broken by poor coaching. Seneca Wallace is how I project Milroe
Salk? He should have stayed in Boston
Put me in the dunking chair, I was hoping for Richardson.
Now I am looking forward to the 2026 draft to see who is going to be the shiny new toy with the new car smell.
May the 12s be with you and Go Seahawks!
I love seeing Ben Baldwin falling on his face.
As long as it’s a figurative face plant.
whichever...