1. Deal done in JUNE before mandatory camp ( Acclimate to playbook fairly)
2. They get Hawks 7th round 2023 pick ( Better than nothing to keep from Steelers or Ravens )
3. They eat ALL but veteran MINIMUM salary ( no harm no foul competition prove it )
THAT SAID , I can see them keeping him 1 year as emergency disgruntled backup as Watson's 2022 cap hit is only just over $10mil this year. DOWNSIDE , goes anywhere in division OR AFC if he wants in 2023 ( Cleveland at Houston 2023 maybe interesting for the Texas boy )
As a Seahawks fan I only have 3 choices of starting QB to root for this Summer. My first choice out of the group of 3 is Lock. If another player is added in July or August I could change my mind but I can’t control that.
I think we have a lot of good players and I’m hoping one of these guys can play QB for us without turning the ball over 2 and 3 times a game.
I think we need to find out what Smith or Lock can be instead of trying to figure out how we can add more people into the mix. Do the Seahawks have a QB coach that can develop one of these guys?
Smith was relegated from starter to backup in his second year by one coaching staff and that’s all he’s been thought of since. Lock has had a couple lousy coaching staffs in his first 3 years and popular opinion with the talking heads is he only going to be a career backup.
Can you imagine if you got a second chance to do something you failed at the first time around?
I’m looking forward to the summer with one of these two guys leading an improving offense. Clint Hurtt has me believing the defense is going to be better. I think we are going to be okay
Even if you get good QB play this fall you can still draft a QB in next year’s draft. Keep everybody sharp.
Geno just doesn’t have the arm strength to be a long-term starter, especially in an offense that counts on the QB being able to go downfield. He seems to see the field decently and he can hit the open man, but we’re not going to hear much about him zipping the ball into tight windows.
There's little reason to expect more out of Drew Lock. From his final couple of years at Mizzou to his first three years in the NFL, haven't seen anything to suggest a career out of Drew Lock. It's like this fifth chance.
Having Baker on our team would be a load of crap - BM would be my #2 in comparison to Cam Newton...We do not need his pile of drama. Heck, how much did Cleveland drop in picks just so they could pay a super-creep to be their QB...instead? In just 4 years, he logged enough starts under his belt for them. The Browns movement was decisive. They obviously had their fill of his shit. No QB who runs his mouth off like him w/o the back up ability is worth seeing him step in his own mess.
His contact makes him untradable. His behavior makes him undesirable but the guy does have middle of the road skill. Maybe we could win one or two more games because of him. Then we pick 5 places later. Long term plans decree there is no need for a short term QB.
The Browns traded for Deshaun Watson, gave up the farm, and paid him $230 million fully guaranteed. So between Watson's situation and Baker's situation, how is it that Watson is fine and Baker isn't? Because teams will sacrifice anything if they believe a QB is possibly good. Wentz has proven multiple times that he's bad, injured, and not good, but his contract keeps moving around.
I'm starting to go from, "Baker Mayfield is what he is" to thinking that Baker might be one of the most overrated players in the league, just based on some reactions to his situation over the last couple of months.
great draft picks come from everywhere in the first round, rare is it as easy as picking #1, so I do hope the seahawks do as best as they can! But if it's the worst, I hope that Pete has somehow managed to keep his job.
Since Russell Wilson’s rookie season thru 2019, these QB’s were each Top 5 picks: (1) Jared Goff, Baker Mayfield, Jameis Winston; (2) Marcus Mariota, Mitch Trubisky, Carson Wentz; (3) Blake Bortles, Sam Darnold; (5) Tua Tagovailoa. On the other hand, Josh Allen, Justin Herbert, Patrick Mahomes, and Deshaun Watson were drafted 6-12. That being said, with the exception of Lamar Jackson, the first round track record after #12 is dismal—Teddy Bridgewater is by the best.
That last game of the year against a good KC team was how Seattle wants to play.
Lock was good to better than good. Now he Cam Newtoned the tackle after the fumble, but he hit his throws all over the yard, moved well (ran in 2 TDs), and was driving them for the W when the RB fumbled.
It's too early for me to make a decision on QB, but Lock can be a pro QB in the right situation.
But the Pearl Harbor trailer with the planes over the baseball field sold me on going...thankfully it wasn't a B movie!
Anyone in the NFL can be good for just one game. Drew Lock's problem was that he's always been bad over the course of multiple games. And he was the worst QB in the NFL by QBR last season over his three games. He's just not good against NFL competition and he wasn't that dominant against NCAA competition. Lock has all the makings of Chase Daniel.
Lot to unpack here. First, let me say I'm not a Baker Mayfield guy. That being said, I'm even less of a fan of either Lock or Geno. I would posit that at least Mayfield has lots more game experience and has more to offer. Just not for 18 mil. I do think this has been a humbling experience for the young man. He has skills. Can he do it for the team? It would be nice to always be competitive, I'm just not sure that any of Geno, Lock, or Eason, et al, gives us that weekly ability.
The entire NFL has sort of scoffed at Baker Mayfield being a starting quarterback. Even Carson Wentz has been accepted by the Eagles, Colts, and Commanders over the last 2-3 years. Why does Baker Mayfield remain an option two months into the offseason?
19 million per for a castoff from the Browns. Not sayin I'm a fan, just that I'd prefer anything to what I saw from Geno last year. He looked disfunctional. Hell, bring in Fitzmagic. I'm just looking for somebody who can reliably run the offense.
I personally don't have him in my top 32, but he'd surely win the starting job over any of the current QB room. We have the worst QB situation in the league; almost anybody would improve it. Minshew would be fun, and is certainly likeable.
I’m satisfied with exploring the 10% chance of Locke having any potential and—assuming he doesn’t—turning the offense over to a QB who can run the offense well enough to show Carroll what he has once the whistle blows. Unless he is catastrophically bad, Geno can offer that better than anyone named here. That’s coming from someone who admittedly thinks that wins in 2022 are secondary to steady improvement and preparation for 2023.
Jimmy G may start in San Fran due to Lance's slow development. Eason was horrible as a Husky. I stil think Hawks starting QB isn't on the roster. Minshew fits all the teams requirements. Wouldn't take much to get him. Looked great in his starts. Exciting play maker.
Depending on a rookie QB next year is asking a lot...would still need a good bridge until he's ready.
Give Mayfield some credit, played with busted shoulder most of the year.
I think it may be improbable in 2023 to expect a good rookie to sit, just based on recent history. Not only are teams doing that less and less, but when it happens (Lance), fans really start to question the prospect. Josh Allen was terrible as a rookie, then great. Justin Herbert was great as a rookie. No matter how your rookie QB does, the experience doesn't seem to hurt.
I've been arguing with people ever since the Watson trade that Mayfield would be the worst possible fit in Seattle because he thinks he's a star and can carry a team and he just can't. His record shows this and he refuses to admit it. I can't see Pete even investing in the minimum salary to sign him just because he doesn't fit the philosophy. He can adjust when he has Russell F'n Wilson as his QB (you know, a real talent), but why even mess around with a guy like Mayfield? If Mayfield got released tomorrow, he'd have multiple offers for more money than the minimum anyway, so it's moot that they'd even think about signing Mayfield.
I agree Jimmy G could be a possibility because he was in an offense that was driven by short passing and a run game. But, again, Pete's not trading draft capital for a guy like that. And Jimmy would get much more than the minimum on the open market, so Pete won't get into a bidding contest.
I don't see Fitzpatrick as a good fit either for similar reasons to Mayfield. He seems to have to have too much ego to become a member of a run-first team.
Let's run with what they have and let the chips fall where they may. And I've already steeled myself to the fact that Pete could get a top 2 pick and STILL not invest in a QB with that pick. My fever dream is a 2 or 3 win season, the #2 pick and getting either Stroud or Young, but I could very easily seeing any of those elements not happening.
I heard Lincolns Gettysburg Address live. Check out Buckeye QBs NFL suck sess. Not a pretty picture. Good College QBs on great teams, hide a lot of faults. Matt Lienart, Barkley, Rick Meir, R. G3, etc.
"With hindsight, we should all be able to agree that Baker Mayfield is more of a “day two” quarterback than the guy who should’ve been drafted first overall. And if we can all agree about that, then what argument would Mayfield have for being a “better option” than Lock?"
I'd answer that just by saying, "watch their games." Baker did quite a few good things in Cleveland. Lock did very few good things in Denver. I believe he was the worst starting QB in the NFL. I'd put Baker right around 15. #15 is much, much better than #32.
I've said in these comments before that I think Jimmy G would also be a massive upgrade from anyone in our QB room. While I think Fitz is pretty close to the wall, I think he would be favored to beat any of Lock/Smith/Eason in training camp. Hmm, just realized there's a "locksmith" joke in there somewhere.
I could flip flop a few of these all day, but this is more or less where I'd rank NFL QBs for the 2023 season only, regardless of salaries:
1a. Patrick Mahomes
1b. Josh Allen
3. Aaron Rodgers
4. Joe Burrow
5. Justin Herbert
6. Deshaun Watson
7. Dak Prescott
8. Tom Brady
9. Russell Wilson
10. Matt Stafford
11. Lamar Jackson
12. Kyler Murray
13. Derek Carr
14. Baker Mayfield
15. Ryan Tannehill
16. Kirk Cousins
17. Jimmy G.
18. Matt Ryan
19. Jared Goff
20. Carson Wentz
21. Jalen Hurts
22. Justin Fields
23 Trevor Lawrence
24. Tua Tagovailoa
25. Mac Jones
26. Jamies Winston
27. Daniel Jones
28. Mitch Trub
29. Zach Wilson
30. Marcus Mariota
31. Sam Darnold
32. Davis Mills
I tried ranking backups, but too little info on too many guys. Plus after #40 or so, you're just picking by who's worse rather than who's better, if you even do know the players. But Lock/Smith/Eason are each in (or below) this 40's level by my estimation. That's not good enough. "Always compete." If there's a better option at QB out there, you try to acquire him if the price can work. It doesn't have to be someone we think can be the future. Just plug the hole for a season so the boat doesn't sink between now and the 2023 draft.
Haha, I don't think I moved any player around more than him! In the end, looking at his 55% completion percentage and TD/INT numbers kept me putting him behind guys. I liked him coming out of BYU, but being drafted by the Jets is kind of like being drafted by the Browns. Maybe he comes on in his 2nd season. He certainly looked talented in college.
Being drafted by the Jets is a delicate situation, that's undeniable. And I think NYJ has to take responsibility for some of the numbers. Last few weeks of the season, Wilson was by far best rookie QB in the NFL. Now he's got even more help. He's taking his Josh Allen leap in 2022!
If I were a Jets fan, I'd be more excited for this season than any I can recently remember. I don't follow a lot of other sports media, so maybe it's already happening, but I think we're going to hear a lot of Bengals comparisons this year.
Truthfully I would have Fitzpatrick,on the team. He would probably win the starting QB competition. After that we hope we get Fitz Magic for 6 to 8 games before an injury.
The reason it will not happen, Pete thinks Geno can steer this ship well enough to compete. He will look at Geno from last year as getting better every game, and if not for some bad luck or avoidable mistakes he could have won every game he played. He also thinks if he can unlock good Drew there is all the talent you need. Pete is an optimist John Schneider is supporting Pete. If Cleavland does cut Mayfield it won't be until late in August making him at best a back up, with a bad attitude maybe.
I could see a MAYFIELD TRADE with conditions.
1. Deal done in JUNE before mandatory camp ( Acclimate to playbook fairly)
2. They get Hawks 7th round 2023 pick ( Better than nothing to keep from Steelers or Ravens )
3. They eat ALL but veteran MINIMUM salary ( no harm no foul competition prove it )
THAT SAID , I can see them keeping him 1 year as emergency disgruntled backup as Watson's 2022 cap hit is only just over $10mil this year. DOWNSIDE , goes anywhere in division OR AFC if he wants in 2023 ( Cleveland at Houston 2023 maybe interesting for the Texas boy )
As a Seahawks fan I only have 3 choices of starting QB to root for this Summer. My first choice out of the group of 3 is Lock. If another player is added in July or August I could change my mind but I can’t control that.
I think we have a lot of good players and I’m hoping one of these guys can play QB for us without turning the ball over 2 and 3 times a game.
I think we need to find out what Smith or Lock can be instead of trying to figure out how we can add more people into the mix. Do the Seahawks have a QB coach that can develop one of these guys?
Smith was relegated from starter to backup in his second year by one coaching staff and that’s all he’s been thought of since. Lock has had a couple lousy coaching staffs in his first 3 years and popular opinion with the talking heads is he only going to be a career backup.
Can you imagine if you got a second chance to do something you failed at the first time around?
I’m looking forward to the summer with one of these two guys leading an improving offense. Clint Hurtt has me believing the defense is going to be better. I think we are going to be okay
Even if you get good QB play this fall you can still draft a QB in next year’s draft. Keep everybody sharp.
Geno just doesn’t have the arm strength to be a long-term starter, especially in an offense that counts on the QB being able to go downfield. He seems to see the field decently and he can hit the open man, but we’re not going to hear much about him zipping the ball into tight windows.
There's little reason to expect more out of Drew Lock. From his final couple of years at Mizzou to his first three years in the NFL, haven't seen anything to suggest a career out of Drew Lock. It's like this fifth chance.
Having Baker on our team would be a load of crap - BM would be my #2 in comparison to Cam Newton...We do not need his pile of drama. Heck, how much did Cleveland drop in picks just so they could pay a super-creep to be their QB...instead? In just 4 years, he logged enough starts under his belt for them. The Browns movement was decisive. They obviously had their fill of his shit. No QB who runs his mouth off like him w/o the back up ability is worth seeing him step in his own mess.
He's going to have a hard time even having a season this year. Who's playbook is he learning right now?
His contact makes him untradable. His behavior makes him undesirable but the guy does have middle of the road skill. Maybe we could win one or two more games because of him. Then we pick 5 places later. Long term plans decree there is no need for a short term QB.
This phrase should be in response to everybody suggesting an additional QB.
(Win 1-2 more games. THEN. Pick 5 places later). !!!!!!!!!
The Browns traded for Deshaun Watson, gave up the farm, and paid him $230 million fully guaranteed. So between Watson's situation and Baker's situation, how is it that Watson is fine and Baker isn't? Because teams will sacrifice anything if they believe a QB is possibly good. Wentz has proven multiple times that he's bad, injured, and not good, but his contract keeps moving around.
I'm starting to go from, "Baker Mayfield is what he is" to thinking that Baker might be one of the most overrated players in the league, just based on some reactions to his situation over the last couple of months.
Umm, if we really suck this year without actually tanking 'n get great draft slots next draft ...
"That’s still okay. It has to be."
great draft picks come from everywhere in the first round, rare is it as easy as picking #1, so I do hope the seahawks do as best as they can! But if it's the worst, I hope that Pete has somehow managed to keep his job.
Since Russell Wilson’s rookie season thru 2019, these QB’s were each Top 5 picks: (1) Jared Goff, Baker Mayfield, Jameis Winston; (2) Marcus Mariota, Mitch Trubisky, Carson Wentz; (3) Blake Bortles, Sam Darnold; (5) Tua Tagovailoa. On the other hand, Josh Allen, Justin Herbert, Patrick Mahomes, and Deshaun Watson were drafted 6-12. That being said, with the exception of Lamar Jackson, the first round track record after #12 is dismal—Teddy Bridgewater is by the best.
Kenneth, you can't scare me away from Lock! lol
That last game of the year against a good KC team was how Seattle wants to play.
Lock was good to better than good. Now he Cam Newtoned the tackle after the fumble, but he hit his throws all over the yard, moved well (ran in 2 TDs), and was driving them for the W when the RB fumbled.
It's too early for me to make a decision on QB, but Lock can be a pro QB in the right situation.
But the Pearl Harbor trailer with the planes over the baseball field sold me on going...thankfully it wasn't a B movie!
Anyone in the NFL can be good for just one game. Drew Lock's problem was that he's always been bad over the course of multiple games. And he was the worst QB in the NFL by QBR last season over his three games. He's just not good against NFL competition and he wasn't that dominant against NCAA competition. Lock has all the makings of Chase Daniel.
Lot to unpack here. First, let me say I'm not a Baker Mayfield guy. That being said, I'm even less of a fan of either Lock or Geno. I would posit that at least Mayfield has lots more game experience and has more to offer. Just not for 18 mil. I do think this has been a humbling experience for the young man. He has skills. Can he do it for the team? It would be nice to always be competitive, I'm just not sure that any of Geno, Lock, or Eason, et al, gives us that weekly ability.
The entire NFL has sort of scoffed at Baker Mayfield being a starting quarterback. Even Carson Wentz has been accepted by the Eagles, Colts, and Commanders over the last 2-3 years. Why does Baker Mayfield remain an option two months into the offseason?
19 million per for a castoff from the Browns. Not sayin I'm a fan, just that I'd prefer anything to what I saw from Geno last year. He looked disfunctional. Hell, bring in Fitzmagic. I'm just looking for somebody who can reliably run the offense.
They give us the weakly ability!
It's a quandary at QB...lol
That's putting it nicely. PC/JS are adding *somebody* to the mix before season starts.
What about trading for fan-favorite Gardner Minshew?
Go for it, Pete. Nothing to lose.
I personally don't have him in my top 32, but he'd surely win the starting job over any of the current QB room. We have the worst QB situation in the league; almost anybody would improve it. Minshew would be fun, and is certainly likeable.
I’m satisfied with exploring the 10% chance of Locke having any potential and—assuming he doesn’t—turning the offense over to a QB who can run the offense well enough to show Carroll what he has once the whistle blows. Unless he is catastrophically bad, Geno can offer that better than anyone named here. That’s coming from someone who admittedly thinks that wins in 2022 are secondary to steady improvement and preparation for 2023.
My sentiments exactly!!!
It's a bad situation from any angle.
Re Lock, fans *can* talk themselves into anything. Once upon a time, we anointed Trent Dilfer as a savior.
Jimmy G may start in San Fran due to Lance's slow development. Eason was horrible as a Husky. I stil think Hawks starting QB isn't on the roster. Minshew fits all the teams requirements. Wouldn't take much to get him. Looked great in his starts. Exciting play maker.
Depending on a rookie QB next year is asking a lot...would still need a good bridge until he's ready.
Give Mayfield some credit, played with busted shoulder most of the year.
I think it may be improbable in 2023 to expect a good rookie to sit, just based on recent history. Not only are teams doing that less and less, but when it happens (Lance), fans really start to question the prospect. Josh Allen was terrible as a rookie, then great. Justin Herbert was great as a rookie. No matter how your rookie QB does, the experience doesn't seem to hurt.
I've been arguing with people ever since the Watson trade that Mayfield would be the worst possible fit in Seattle because he thinks he's a star and can carry a team and he just can't. His record shows this and he refuses to admit it. I can't see Pete even investing in the minimum salary to sign him just because he doesn't fit the philosophy. He can adjust when he has Russell F'n Wilson as his QB (you know, a real talent), but why even mess around with a guy like Mayfield? If Mayfield got released tomorrow, he'd have multiple offers for more money than the minimum anyway, so it's moot that they'd even think about signing Mayfield.
I agree Jimmy G could be a possibility because he was in an offense that was driven by short passing and a run game. But, again, Pete's not trading draft capital for a guy like that. And Jimmy would get much more than the minimum on the open market, so Pete won't get into a bidding contest.
I don't see Fitzpatrick as a good fit either for similar reasons to Mayfield. He seems to have to have too much ego to become a member of a run-first team.
Let's run with what they have and let the chips fall where they may. And I've already steeled myself to the fact that Pete could get a top 2 pick and STILL not invest in a QB with that pick. My fever dream is a 2 or 3 win season, the #2 pick and getting either Stroud or Young, but I could very easily seeing any of those elements not happening.
Please, no Ohio state QBs.
As an old OSU Buckeye, why not! (How old? I was at the Woody Hayes game).
I heard Lincolns Gettysburg Address live. Check out Buckeye QBs NFL suck sess. Not a pretty picture. Good College QBs on great teams, hide a lot of faults. Matt Lienart, Barkley, Rick Meir, R. G3, etc.
Mike Shanahan wrecked RG3’s very promising career.
Dude, maybe you'd be better off on Twitter. Take a break. CJ Stroud is projected 2023 #1 draft pick.
So was Fields
"With hindsight, we should all be able to agree that Baker Mayfield is more of a “day two” quarterback than the guy who should’ve been drafted first overall. And if we can all agree about that, then what argument would Mayfield have for being a “better option” than Lock?"
I'd answer that just by saying, "watch their games." Baker did quite a few good things in Cleveland. Lock did very few good things in Denver. I believe he was the worst starting QB in the NFL. I'd put Baker right around 15. #15 is much, much better than #32.
I've said in these comments before that I think Jimmy G would also be a massive upgrade from anyone in our QB room. While I think Fitz is pretty close to the wall, I think he would be favored to beat any of Lock/Smith/Eason in training camp. Hmm, just realized there's a "locksmith" joke in there somewhere.
I could flip flop a few of these all day, but this is more or less where I'd rank NFL QBs for the 2023 season only, regardless of salaries:
1a. Patrick Mahomes
1b. Josh Allen
3. Aaron Rodgers
4. Joe Burrow
5. Justin Herbert
6. Deshaun Watson
7. Dak Prescott
8. Tom Brady
9. Russell Wilson
10. Matt Stafford
11. Lamar Jackson
12. Kyler Murray
13. Derek Carr
14. Baker Mayfield
15. Ryan Tannehill
16. Kirk Cousins
17. Jimmy G.
18. Matt Ryan
19. Jared Goff
20. Carson Wentz
21. Jalen Hurts
22. Justin Fields
23 Trevor Lawrence
24. Tua Tagovailoa
25. Mac Jones
26. Jamies Winston
27. Daniel Jones
28. Mitch Trub
29. Zach Wilson
30. Marcus Mariota
31. Sam Darnold
32. Davis Mills
I tried ranking backups, but too little info on too many guys. Plus after #40 or so, you're just picking by who's worse rather than who's better, if you even do know the players. But Lock/Smith/Eason are each in (or below) this 40's level by my estimation. That's not good enough. "Always compete." If there's a better option at QB out there, you try to acquire him if the price can work. It doesn't have to be someone we think can be the future. Just plug the hole for a season so the boat doesn't sink between now and the 2023 draft.
Hey, I don't agree with everything on here (my boy Zach Wilson!) but I love that you wrote it. And I agree that the Seahawks situation IS that bad.
Haha, I don't think I moved any player around more than him! In the end, looking at his 55% completion percentage and TD/INT numbers kept me putting him behind guys. I liked him coming out of BYU, but being drafted by the Jets is kind of like being drafted by the Browns. Maybe he comes on in his 2nd season. He certainly looked talented in college.
Being drafted by the Jets is a delicate situation, that's undeniable. And I think NYJ has to take responsibility for some of the numbers. Last few weeks of the season, Wilson was by far best rookie QB in the NFL. Now he's got even more help. He's taking his Josh Allen leap in 2022!
If I were a Jets fan, I'd be more excited for this season than any I can recently remember. I don't follow a lot of other sports media, so maybe it's already happening, but I think we're going to hear a lot of Bengals comparisons this year.
Truthfully I would have Fitzpatrick,on the team. He would probably win the starting QB competition. After that we hope we get Fitz Magic for 6 to 8 games before an injury.
The reason it will not happen, Pete thinks Geno can steer this ship well enough to compete. He will look at Geno from last year as getting better every game, and if not for some bad luck or avoidable mistakes he could have won every game he played. He also thinks if he can unlock good Drew there is all the talent you need. Pete is an optimist John Schneider is supporting Pete. If Cleavland does cut Mayfield it won't be until late in August making him at best a back up, with a bad attitude maybe.