May 25, 2022·edited May 26, 2022Liked by Seaside Joe
I’m satisfied with exploring the 10% chance of Locke having any potential and—assuming he doesn’t—turning the offense over to a QB who can run the offense well enough to show Carroll what he has once the whistle blows. Unless he is catastrophically bad, Geno can offer that better than anyone named here. That’s coming from someone who admittedly thinks that wins in 2022 are secondary to steady improvement and preparation for 2023.
I've been arguing with people ever since the Watson trade that Mayfield would be the worst possible fit in Seattle because he thinks he's a star and can carry a team and he just can't. His record shows this and he refuses to admit it. I can't see Pete even investing in the minimum salary to sign him just because he doesn't fit the philosophy. He can adjust when he has Russell F'n Wilson as his QB (you know, a real talent), but why even mess around with a guy like Mayfield? If Mayfield got released tomorrow, he'd have multiple offers for more money than the minimum anyway, so it's moot that they'd even think about signing Mayfield.
I agree Jimmy G could be a possibility because he was in an offense that was driven by short passing and a run game. But, again, Pete's not trading draft capital for a guy like that. And Jimmy would get much more than the minimum on the open market, so Pete won't get into a bidding contest.
I don't see Fitzpatrick as a good fit either for similar reasons to Mayfield. He seems to have to have too much ego to become a member of a run-first team.
Let's run with what they have and let the chips fall where they may. And I've already steeled myself to the fact that Pete could get a top 2 pick and STILL not invest in a QB with that pick. My fever dream is a 2 or 3 win season, the #2 pick and getting either Stroud or Young, but I could very easily seeing any of those elements not happening.
"With hindsight, we should all be able to agree that Baker Mayfield is more of a “day two” quarterback than the guy who should’ve been drafted first overall. And if we can all agree about that, then what argument would Mayfield have for being a “better option” than Lock?"
I'd answer that just by saying, "watch their games." Baker did quite a few good things in Cleveland. Lock did very few good things in Denver. I believe he was the worst starting QB in the NFL. I'd put Baker right around 15. #15 is much, much better than #32.
I've said in these comments before that I think Jimmy G would also be a massive upgrade from anyone in our QB room. While I think Fitz is pretty close to the wall, I think he would be favored to beat any of Lock/Smith/Eason in training camp. Hmm, just realized there's a "locksmith" joke in there somewhere.
Truthfully I would have Fitzpatrick,on the team. He would probably win the starting QB competition. After that we hope we get Fitz Magic for 6 to 8 games before an injury.
The reason it will not happen, Pete thinks Geno can steer this ship well enough to compete. He will look at Geno from last year as getting better every game, and if not for some bad luck or avoidable mistakes he could have won every game he played. He also thinks if he can unlock good Drew there is all the talent you need. Pete is an optimist John Schneider is supporting Pete. If Cleavland does cut Mayfield it won't be until late in August making him at best a back up, with a bad attitude maybe.
As a Seahawks fan I only have 3 choices of starting QB to root for this Summer. My first choice out of the group of 3 is Lock. If another player is added in July or August I could change my mind but I can’t control that.
I think we have a lot of good players and I’m hoping one of these guys can play QB for us without turning the ball over 2 and 3 times a game.
I think we need to find out what Smith or Lock can be instead of trying to figure out how we can add more people into the mix. Do the Seahawks have a QB coach that can develop one of these guys?
Smith was relegated from starter to backup in his second year by one coaching staff and that’s all he’s been thought of since. Lock has had a couple lousy coaching staffs in his first 3 years and popular opinion with the talking heads is he only going to be a career backup.
Can you imagine if you got a second chance to do something you failed at the first time around?
I’m looking forward to the summer with one of these two guys leading an improving offense. Clint Hurtt has me believing the defense is going to be better. I think we are going to be okay
Even if you get good QB play this fall you can still draft a QB in next year’s draft. Keep everybody sharp.
May 26, 2022·edited May 26, 2022Liked by Seaside Joe
Having Baker on our team would be a load of crap - BM would be my #2 in comparison to Cam Newton...We do not need his pile of drama. Heck, how much did Cleveland drop in picks just so they could pay a super-creep to be their QB...instead? In just 4 years, he logged enough starts under his belt for them. The Browns movement was decisive. They obviously had their fill of his shit. No QB who runs his mouth off like him w/o the back up ability is worth seeing him step in his own mess.
That last game of the year against a good KC team was how Seattle wants to play.
Lock was good to better than good. Now he Cam Newtoned the tackle after the fumble, but he hit his throws all over the yard, moved well (ran in 2 TDs), and was driving them for the W when the RB fumbled.
It's too early for me to make a decision on QB, but Lock can be a pro QB in the right situation.
But the Pearl Harbor trailer with the planes over the baseball field sold me on going...thankfully it wasn't a B movie!
Jimmy G may start in San Fran due to Lance's slow development. Eason was horrible as a Husky. I stil think Hawks starting QB isn't on the roster. Minshew fits all the teams requirements. Wouldn't take much to get him. Looked great in his starts. Exciting play maker.
Depending on a rookie QB next year is asking a lot...would still need a good bridge until he's ready.
Give Mayfield some credit, played with busted shoulder most of the year.
Lot to unpack here. First, let me say I'm not a Baker Mayfield guy. That being said, I'm even less of a fan of either Lock or Geno. I would posit that at least Mayfield has lots more game experience and has more to offer. Just not for 18 mil. I do think this has been a humbling experience for the young man. He has skills. Can he do it for the team? It would be nice to always be competitive, I'm just not sure that any of Geno, Lock, or Eason, et al, gives us that weekly ability.
1. Deal done in JUNE before mandatory camp ( Acclimate to playbook fairly)
2. They get Hawks 7th round 2023 pick ( Better than nothing to keep from Steelers or Ravens )
3. They eat ALL but veteran MINIMUM salary ( no harm no foul competition prove it )
THAT SAID , I can see them keeping him 1 year as emergency disgruntled backup as Watson's 2022 cap hit is only just over $10mil this year. DOWNSIDE , goes anywhere in division OR AFC if he wants in 2023 ( Cleveland at Houston 2023 maybe interesting for the Texas boy )
What about trading for fan-favorite Gardner Minshew?
I’m satisfied with exploring the 10% chance of Locke having any potential and—assuming he doesn’t—turning the offense over to a QB who can run the offense well enough to show Carroll what he has once the whistle blows. Unless he is catastrophically bad, Geno can offer that better than anyone named here. That’s coming from someone who admittedly thinks that wins in 2022 are secondary to steady improvement and preparation for 2023.
I've been arguing with people ever since the Watson trade that Mayfield would be the worst possible fit in Seattle because he thinks he's a star and can carry a team and he just can't. His record shows this and he refuses to admit it. I can't see Pete even investing in the minimum salary to sign him just because he doesn't fit the philosophy. He can adjust when he has Russell F'n Wilson as his QB (you know, a real talent), but why even mess around with a guy like Mayfield? If Mayfield got released tomorrow, he'd have multiple offers for more money than the minimum anyway, so it's moot that they'd even think about signing Mayfield.
I agree Jimmy G could be a possibility because he was in an offense that was driven by short passing and a run game. But, again, Pete's not trading draft capital for a guy like that. And Jimmy would get much more than the minimum on the open market, so Pete won't get into a bidding contest.
I don't see Fitzpatrick as a good fit either for similar reasons to Mayfield. He seems to have to have too much ego to become a member of a run-first team.
Let's run with what they have and let the chips fall where they may. And I've already steeled myself to the fact that Pete could get a top 2 pick and STILL not invest in a QB with that pick. My fever dream is a 2 or 3 win season, the #2 pick and getting either Stroud or Young, but I could very easily seeing any of those elements not happening.
"With hindsight, we should all be able to agree that Baker Mayfield is more of a “day two” quarterback than the guy who should’ve been drafted first overall. And if we can all agree about that, then what argument would Mayfield have for being a “better option” than Lock?"
I'd answer that just by saying, "watch their games." Baker did quite a few good things in Cleveland. Lock did very few good things in Denver. I believe he was the worst starting QB in the NFL. I'd put Baker right around 15. #15 is much, much better than #32.
I've said in these comments before that I think Jimmy G would also be a massive upgrade from anyone in our QB room. While I think Fitz is pretty close to the wall, I think he would be favored to beat any of Lock/Smith/Eason in training camp. Hmm, just realized there's a "locksmith" joke in there somewhere.
Truthfully I would have Fitzpatrick,on the team. He would probably win the starting QB competition. After that we hope we get Fitz Magic for 6 to 8 games before an injury.
The reason it will not happen, Pete thinks Geno can steer this ship well enough to compete. He will look at Geno from last year as getting better every game, and if not for some bad luck or avoidable mistakes he could have won every game he played. He also thinks if he can unlock good Drew there is all the talent you need. Pete is an optimist John Schneider is supporting Pete. If Cleavland does cut Mayfield it won't be until late in August making him at best a back up, with a bad attitude maybe.
As a Seahawks fan I only have 3 choices of starting QB to root for this Summer. My first choice out of the group of 3 is Lock. If another player is added in July or August I could change my mind but I can’t control that.
I think we have a lot of good players and I’m hoping one of these guys can play QB for us without turning the ball over 2 and 3 times a game.
I think we need to find out what Smith or Lock can be instead of trying to figure out how we can add more people into the mix. Do the Seahawks have a QB coach that can develop one of these guys?
Smith was relegated from starter to backup in his second year by one coaching staff and that’s all he’s been thought of since. Lock has had a couple lousy coaching staffs in his first 3 years and popular opinion with the talking heads is he only going to be a career backup.
Can you imagine if you got a second chance to do something you failed at the first time around?
I’m looking forward to the summer with one of these two guys leading an improving offense. Clint Hurtt has me believing the defense is going to be better. I think we are going to be okay
Even if you get good QB play this fall you can still draft a QB in next year’s draft. Keep everybody sharp.
Having Baker on our team would be a load of crap - BM would be my #2 in comparison to Cam Newton...We do not need his pile of drama. Heck, how much did Cleveland drop in picks just so they could pay a super-creep to be their QB...instead? In just 4 years, he logged enough starts under his belt for them. The Browns movement was decisive. They obviously had their fill of his shit. No QB who runs his mouth off like him w/o the back up ability is worth seeing him step in his own mess.
Umm, if we really suck this year without actually tanking 'n get great draft slots next draft ...
"That’s still okay. It has to be."
Kenneth, you can't scare me away from Lock! lol
That last game of the year against a good KC team was how Seattle wants to play.
Lock was good to better than good. Now he Cam Newtoned the tackle after the fumble, but he hit his throws all over the yard, moved well (ran in 2 TDs), and was driving them for the W when the RB fumbled.
It's too early for me to make a decision on QB, but Lock can be a pro QB in the right situation.
But the Pearl Harbor trailer with the planes over the baseball field sold me on going...thankfully it wasn't a B movie!
Jimmy G may start in San Fran due to Lance's slow development. Eason was horrible as a Husky. I stil think Hawks starting QB isn't on the roster. Minshew fits all the teams requirements. Wouldn't take much to get him. Looked great in his starts. Exciting play maker.
Depending on a rookie QB next year is asking a lot...would still need a good bridge until he's ready.
Give Mayfield some credit, played with busted shoulder most of the year.
Lot to unpack here. First, let me say I'm not a Baker Mayfield guy. That being said, I'm even less of a fan of either Lock or Geno. I would posit that at least Mayfield has lots more game experience and has more to offer. Just not for 18 mil. I do think this has been a humbling experience for the young man. He has skills. Can he do it for the team? It would be nice to always be competitive, I'm just not sure that any of Geno, Lock, or Eason, et al, gives us that weekly ability.
I could see a MAYFIELD TRADE with conditions.
1. Deal done in JUNE before mandatory camp ( Acclimate to playbook fairly)
2. They get Hawks 7th round 2023 pick ( Better than nothing to keep from Steelers or Ravens )
3. They eat ALL but veteran MINIMUM salary ( no harm no foul competition prove it )
THAT SAID , I can see them keeping him 1 year as emergency disgruntled backup as Watson's 2022 cap hit is only just over $10mil this year. DOWNSIDE , goes anywhere in division OR AFC if he wants in 2023 ( Cleveland at Houston 2023 maybe interesting for the Texas boy )