I’ll go out on a limb and say when your punter and part time ILB are stock up, it’s a bad day at the office.
I appreciate both the contextualizing (early start, long flight, bad field) and the fair criticism of all players. Yes both can be true at the same time.
I also think Brady gets amped playing the Seahawks. U Mad Bro all those years ago seems to have touched a nerve. His third down stats were ridiculous.
Finally, coaches are stock down this week. Doesn’t mean they automatically suck all the time but game plans on both sides of the ball started out bad and didn’t adapt quickly. We see Pete’s teams do this more than couple times every year—and sometimes they overcome it.
First, this newsletter if frickin great. I've thought for years that the talking heads on tv must not actually watch the games, because the things they say don't seem to mesh with reality.
But as a lifelong Hawks fan who watched the game from great seats in the stands (21 rows up on the 25), I have to say I think you got this one a little wrong. I support wholeheartedly stating that someone sucked when they sucked. And they can still be great players - Brady, the goat himself, has had some very poor games.
But this game can be chalked up to game-planning imbalance. They beat us on the chalkboard. From what I saw, Geno made the plays available. His horrible plays, and there were a few, there was not much he could've done other than not make it worse. And he did make it worse on a few. But when plays were available, he made them. And even once when they weren't - that pass to goodwin for the TD was picture perfect - the kind of perfect that can't be outdone, only matched.
Geno didn't leave wide open receivers all over the field like russ often did. When a guy was open, he hit him.
I think probably that it was not so easy to see on tv where the camera follows the ball and cuts out the peripheral, but it was plain as day when watching in person that they had us out-gameplanned from the start. The defense either had blown assignments all over the place or (more likely) our defensive calls did not put our guys in position. This wasn't a game where our guys got beat one-on-one in. They were out-manuevered.
And that to me is the sole knock on Pete. He doesn't tend to out X and O the other coach. It's also why Iike his style so much - heads up competition.
All in all, a disappointing game for sure, but I think our guys from top tobottom will learn a LOT from this game. And as a football-strategy fan, even in defeat I appreciate this game. And for me, Geno may not get a stock up for this one, but only because it's high already.
One thing of note is that we forced the Buccaneers to open up their playbook. In the overall scheme of NFC things, that's great.
I wanted the win, and the pivotal play has been Geno's fumble. Get even 3 points in, we had a chance to tie. And since in the second half our offense was better than the Bucs, that was a good position to be in in an eventual overtime. All that said, this was an "unfair" game. The Shelby Harris hit could have been a sack, I felt he "flinched" since Brady is untouchable. This is not on the refs (not on this game, at least)! They finally called Tom Brady for tripping (it was about time), though he keeps getting away with intentional groundings. We were playing at an awful time with 9 hours of jet lag. Doing great at 10am 3 hours from home is very different than doing well at 6:30 am at a way longer distance. The Bucs seemed to have intel about the field that we didn't (the cleats discussion). We had a bad game. With all this, we made it a one score affair, and I'm content with that.
Jet lag. We win by 2 if Geno doesn't fumble in the red zone. As I have posted all season , Hawks need a primo DT. 1st round draft pick next year? Tampa Bay is not a push over. Good time for the bye week. So far team has exceeded all expectations.
On a happy note, Huskies beat the Ducks in Eugene breaking their 18 game home winning streak, eliminating them from the playoffs and dropping them from the top 10. What a great difference a good coaching staff makes!!!
It looked like Tampa was a bigger team and pushed us off the ball. You can have the best technique but that goes out the window in muddy conditions. Seattle is a very fast team, but not on a ground like this. No excuses !
I don't think Geno looked like a back up but he did make a couple of bad plays. The one on the 9 yard line, he did look like a deer in the headlights, was that a broken play or did Geno have a moment. He knew it when he could be seen castigating himself on the bench.
The only worry for me coming from this is the run defense had a very bad day and that can't happen against good teams
I was a bit worried when Mone was not active. Another inside DL guy would have really helped today. It was clear the Seahawks had gameplanned for the Bucs to throw, throw, throw instead of run, run, run.
Somebody who had a stock UP day was Cody Barton, whose INT made things more interesting at the end. Brooks had a similar opportunity in the first Q and let it fall to the ground. Brooks might have been a Stock Down for me.
I was certain that the Seahawks would be the better team in terms of travel, but that was also clearly not the case. So Stock Down for me! Schlechte Prognosen!
Overall this is a good teachable moment for a young team. Lots of tape to learn from and Pete will have the bye to work on things for the stretch run.
Bucs came out with a good plan on offense while the hawks came out with a poor one. I don’t think that is the norm on either side, as I think the hawks usually get the best of the coaching matchups.
Had this been a playoff game - it would’ve been extremely frustrating. But it is not and the hawks still control their destiny so it is a good learning experience.
I think you could make decent arguments the field helped the Bucs more. Also, the officiating and specifically lack of holding calls helped the Bucs more. Maybe so maybe not but not really that important.
The good news is once again Geno and the offense bouncing back in big situations. Cody playing great ball on defense.
Don’t see much but a cool game in Germany against Brady that we came up a bit short. Onward!
There’s so much that happens with eleven on eleven that we don’t see. This is one loss, things didn’t go our way, this day. Would the coaches use the same game plan they started with today? Did the Buc’s coaching staff do a better job than the Seahawks? Let’s take a breath and see what we can do with the Raiders
I have been operating in the bonus wins phase of this season, so actually any loss that I fully expected to be such is not worthy of tears on my pillow. Especially since they gave us AND the German audience a heck of an entertaining game.
Do not get me wrong, even an ugly win is better than a disappointing loss, so I would easily have preferred the Hawks hacked out a win.
BTW - WTF was going on with that turf? I guess those awesome knee slides by futbol (soccer) players, while celebrating scoring a goal, are enhanced by a slippery field.
Boy, but didn't I love Brady not breaking the longest streak without an interception. This works better in Portuguese, so feel free to translate automatically or ask Zezinhom400 for help:
"No aniversário do Cody Barton quem ganha o presente é você!"
There was enough blame to go around for losing this game, including a poor soil field to play on. But what stood out the most to me, was the bad play calling by Shane Waldron. There should have been more rollout play action pass, instead of standing in the pocket against a good defense line. That is all I'm going to say about this game
Vita Vea is a STUD - we truly need a Game Wrecking interior D-lineman somehow...even before Geno's resurrection, I have been calling out a dynamite player in the middle of our line as the greatest priority...plus, Al Woods is not going to play forever.
My concern going into this game was that Carroll talked as if he had figured out the jetlag risk. I wrote about my concern that Seattle faced a three hour disadvantage. Carroll said he'd figured it out so I refrained from being critical but I thought the team should have flown over on Monday to provide plenty of time to adjust to the time difference. Geno looked terrible, as did the defense. Older players are more likely to be impacted by the time shift.
Didn't expect Walker to produce nothing. Clearly the Bucks had schemed to stop him but their guys played with way more urgency. Our guys seemed to expect to win. The game plan was poor and there weren't significant adjustments that I could see.
Teams have bad days and unfortunate losses. It happens. I'm hopeful the Seahawks can get it together. But we can see why they're not likely to make a deep run. They're nowhere near the Eagles, Bills or Chiefs in terms of dominance.
I made a mistake by writing Walker had six "Carries" for 55 yards, when I meant "catches." Fixed it now, sorry about that.
I’ll go out on a limb and say when your punter and part time ILB are stock up, it’s a bad day at the office.
I appreciate both the contextualizing (early start, long flight, bad field) and the fair criticism of all players. Yes both can be true at the same time.
I also think Brady gets amped playing the Seahawks. U Mad Bro all those years ago seems to have touched a nerve. His third down stats were ridiculous.
Finally, coaches are stock down this week. Doesn’t mean they automatically suck all the time but game plans on both sides of the ball started out bad and didn’t adapt quickly. We see Pete’s teams do this more than couple times every year—and sometimes they overcome it.
First, this newsletter if frickin great. I've thought for years that the talking heads on tv must not actually watch the games, because the things they say don't seem to mesh with reality.
But as a lifelong Hawks fan who watched the game from great seats in the stands (21 rows up on the 25), I have to say I think you got this one a little wrong. I support wholeheartedly stating that someone sucked when they sucked. And they can still be great players - Brady, the goat himself, has had some very poor games.
But this game can be chalked up to game-planning imbalance. They beat us on the chalkboard. From what I saw, Geno made the plays available. His horrible plays, and there were a few, there was not much he could've done other than not make it worse. And he did make it worse on a few. But when plays were available, he made them. And even once when they weren't - that pass to goodwin for the TD was picture perfect - the kind of perfect that can't be outdone, only matched.
Geno didn't leave wide open receivers all over the field like russ often did. When a guy was open, he hit him.
I think probably that it was not so easy to see on tv where the camera follows the ball and cuts out the peripheral, but it was plain as day when watching in person that they had us out-gameplanned from the start. The defense either had blown assignments all over the place or (more likely) our defensive calls did not put our guys in position. This wasn't a game where our guys got beat one-on-one in. They were out-manuevered.
And that to me is the sole knock on Pete. He doesn't tend to out X and O the other coach. It's also why Iike his style so much - heads up competition.
All in all, a disappointing game for sure, but I think our guys from top tobottom will learn a LOT from this game. And as a football-strategy fan, even in defeat I appreciate this game. And for me, Geno may not get a stock up for this one, but only because it's high already.
One thing of note is that we forced the Buccaneers to open up their playbook. In the overall scheme of NFC things, that's great.
I wanted the win, and the pivotal play has been Geno's fumble. Get even 3 points in, we had a chance to tie. And since in the second half our offense was better than the Bucs, that was a good position to be in in an eventual overtime. All that said, this was an "unfair" game. The Shelby Harris hit could have been a sack, I felt he "flinched" since Brady is untouchable. This is not on the refs (not on this game, at least)! They finally called Tom Brady for tripping (it was about time), though he keeps getting away with intentional groundings. We were playing at an awful time with 9 hours of jet lag. Doing great at 10am 3 hours from home is very different than doing well at 6:30 am at a way longer distance. The Bucs seemed to have intel about the field that we didn't (the cleats discussion). We had a bad game. With all this, we made it a one score affair, and I'm content with that.
Up, Meyers and Dickson. Down, the Field Gulls game thread with “fire Pete” takes after one bad game.
Jet lag. We win by 2 if Geno doesn't fumble in the red zone. As I have posted all season , Hawks need a primo DT. 1st round draft pick next year? Tampa Bay is not a push over. Good time for the bye week. So far team has exceeded all expectations.
On a happy note, Huskies beat the Ducks in Eugene breaking their 18 game home winning streak, eliminating them from the playoffs and dropping them from the top 10. What a great difference a good coaching staff makes!!!
It looked like Tampa was a bigger team and pushed us off the ball. You can have the best technique but that goes out the window in muddy conditions. Seattle is a very fast team, but not on a ground like this. No excuses !
I don't think Geno looked like a back up but he did make a couple of bad plays. The one on the 9 yard line, he did look like a deer in the headlights, was that a broken play or did Geno have a moment. He knew it when he could be seen castigating himself on the bench.
The only worry for me coming from this is the run defense had a very bad day and that can't happen against good teams
I was a bit worried when Mone was not active. Another inside DL guy would have really helped today. It was clear the Seahawks had gameplanned for the Bucs to throw, throw, throw instead of run, run, run.
Somebody who had a stock UP day was Cody Barton, whose INT made things more interesting at the end. Brooks had a similar opportunity in the first Q and let it fall to the ground. Brooks might have been a Stock Down for me.
I was certain that the Seahawks would be the better team in terms of travel, but that was also clearly not the case. So Stock Down for me! Schlechte Prognosen!
Overall this is a good teachable moment for a young team. Lots of tape to learn from and Pete will have the bye to work on things for the stretch run.
Nothing much changed for me overall.
Bucs came out with a good plan on offense while the hawks came out with a poor one. I don’t think that is the norm on either side, as I think the hawks usually get the best of the coaching matchups.
Had this been a playoff game - it would’ve been extremely frustrating. But it is not and the hawks still control their destiny so it is a good learning experience.
I think you could make decent arguments the field helped the Bucs more. Also, the officiating and specifically lack of holding calls helped the Bucs more. Maybe so maybe not but not really that important.
The good news is once again Geno and the offense bouncing back in big situations. Cody playing great ball on defense.
Don’t see much but a cool game in Germany against Brady that we came up a bit short. Onward!
It's only a game I have to tell myself. Luckily Christmas music has started so I have that to listen to to clear my mind.
Comment by me out of nowhere-> Did that sack mess with Geno's mind and cause him to try too hard which led to the scramble and fumble?
Would this game have turned out different if it had been is Seattle?
There’s so much that happens with eleven on eleven that we don’t see. This is one loss, things didn’t go our way, this day. Would the coaches use the same game plan they started with today? Did the Buc’s coaching staff do a better job than the Seahawks? Let’s take a breath and see what we can do with the Raiders
I have been operating in the bonus wins phase of this season, so actually any loss that I fully expected to be such is not worthy of tears on my pillow. Especially since they gave us AND the German audience a heck of an entertaining game.
Do not get me wrong, even an ugly win is better than a disappointing loss, so I would easily have preferred the Hawks hacked out a win.
BTW - WTF was going on with that turf? I guess those awesome knee slides by futbol (soccer) players, while celebrating scoring a goal, are enhanced by a slippery field.
Boy, but didn't I love Brady not breaking the longest streak without an interception. This works better in Portuguese, so feel free to translate automatically or ask Zezinhom400 for help:
"No aniversário do Cody Barton quem ganha o presente é você!"
There was enough blame to go around for losing this game, including a poor soil field to play on. But what stood out the most to me, was the bad play calling by Shane Waldron. There should have been more rollout play action pass, instead of standing in the pocket against a good defense line. That is all I'm going to say about this game
Vita Vea is a STUD - we truly need a Game Wrecking interior D-lineman somehow...even before Geno's resurrection, I have been calling out a dynamite player in the middle of our line as the greatest priority...plus, Al Woods is not going to play forever.
My concern going into this game was that Carroll talked as if he had figured out the jetlag risk. I wrote about my concern that Seattle faced a three hour disadvantage. Carroll said he'd figured it out so I refrained from being critical but I thought the team should have flown over on Monday to provide plenty of time to adjust to the time difference. Geno looked terrible, as did the defense. Older players are more likely to be impacted by the time shift.
Didn't expect Walker to produce nothing. Clearly the Bucks had schemed to stop him but their guys played with way more urgency. Our guys seemed to expect to win. The game plan was poor and there weren't significant adjustments that I could see.
Teams have bad days and unfortunate losses. It happens. I'm hopeful the Seahawks can get it together. But we can see why they're not likely to make a deep run. They're nowhere near the Eagles, Bills or Chiefs in terms of dominance.