Can you put a price on winning the Super Bowl? Many would consider trading one of their limbs for a Super Bowl. He is worth it for this year, and maybe sign him up to coach for us in the future.
Not my quote, but always relevant in pro sports: "the most important ability.is availability..."
In addition to Kupp"s current hammy, this article references a previous hamstring injury. On AM710 this week, former WSU/NFL receiver Michael Bumpus said when veteran receivers accumulate hamstring problems, the end is near. Not a good year for Hawk receiver health. Assuming Shaheed doesn't fall on his face & Kupp's guaranteed, maybe stash Kupp on IL, open up a roster spot and use Kupp if needed later season & playoffs.
The Seahawks pissed away almost 70M in dead cap charges this year... they can spare a few extra million for a guy who brings all this to the table, particularly in absence of other/better options at the time. More generally, when people are looking for wins, they tend to severely underrate the fact that these are human beings who have to work together... have each other's backs... teach.. learn.. support... believe. Moneyball has its merits too, but it is not measuring every single thing (or even close) that goes into a winner.
First, not surprised at two NFL players from EWU. I went there in 1967 and they were nationally ranked among small colleges back then. As for Cooper Kupp...he is a bonifide card carrying TWO-FER! In my (somewhat less than) humble opinion, as just a reciever, Cooper would be a starter on a bunch of teams. As a WR Coach alone he would likely be an upgrade on more than a few. Yeah, he's worth the money. I would not trade our WR room with anyone! GO HAWKS!
“Which, unfortunately, is another way of saying that Kupp is *probably not worth his salary* because if nobody can quantify his non-production related value then that means that John Schneider can’t quantify it.”
This is where I disagree. I value my car. I value my son. One has a price tag. It would be false to say my son is probably worth less than my car.
Another thought is that just because currently no one knows how to quantify those other aspects Kupp brings, doesn’t mean they can’t be quantified.
In basketball, to help quantify a player’s overall impact, teams track the production of the team when Player X is on the floor and when he’s not whether or not they are a scorer. This helps quantify the intangible value of setting screens, communicating with teammates, and being a scrappy defender.
Hold yer horses, cowboy! We just added some depth so Coop can rest a little. 10-12 game season, healthy for the playoffs, leader in the clubhouse, what we wanted. Next season is next season.
Was Percy Harvin worth it? I think he was the highest paid receiver the year we won it all. I don't think anyone cares how much we paid for CK as long as we win baby! But yes it's an overpay...but it might just be worth it in this situation. We'll find out.
Percy received $14.5 million for one game in 2013 and was worth it. I never thought the Hawks would win a championship up to that point and am happy he was on that team for that one game. So worth it.
I should have posted it when I saw it but after one of the games there was a Mark Schlereth video where he was talking about CK. He said when he went in motion down the line he was calling out the defense alignment. He also mentioned the time CK spends in the QB room. As a receiver, so far for this year he is overpaid. Like Joe said, how do you put a $$$ on the other things he does, coaching/mentoring? I'm glad he's on the team and I think he is worth it for all the intangibles. Who knows how much better the team is this year because he is on it? I don't see the advantage to cutting him with his guaranteed contract. Let him play out the guaranteed contract and hopefully we build up some good will that he can become one of our coaches like has been suggested. And you know he's going to make Rashid better. A better Rashid opposite JSN? Look out, super bowl here we come!
At Over The Cap look up Kupp. There is a valuation tab. He is below his value right now. Could improve later when he gets healthy. People say cut him. I say wait and see. How will you feel about cutting him if he catches the game winning touchdown in the super bowl?
I glad he's a Seahawk, but he's not worth it. His salary is a luxury this season that we can afford, and maybe all the intangible stuff is worth it, but he's got to be cut after we win the Super Bowl.
Would JS offer him a pay cut with a little more guaranteed money to stay with the team next year? Something like they did with Nwosu? There is just no way that JS can justify the cap space to keep him in 2026 on his current deal, but they may want to explore other ways to keep him around for depth and leadership. We'll owe him about $8 million anyway. What might a new deal look like that guarantees a little more while lowering the cap hit?
I'm not sure there is a clear reason to cut him for either the financials nor the roster. What I might see him doing is realizing he has to go fight for WR2 playing time and continues to push himself to do that. That said, I dont see him playing all three years of this contract, this could very well be his last season here. Seems like he has a knack for coaching and mentoring, but as a competitor can he make that switch for the next season.
Kupp excels at seeing what he needs to see. His teaching talents are over and above that. Surely he sees himself playing in a young man's game. I suspect landing here is no accident. No doubt he has a working knowledge of Billy Ball and the needs it creates. As Jody, John and Mike continue to build our Hawks, I hold zero doubt they will find Cooper a place among us where he can continue to re-write The Book on how to coach today's young folks. Where better to land than a place where he grew up? Neighborhood and Community are our way forward, Seasiders. I find great comfort in our endeavors, to include Coop as a future Coach.
Biding enough time to get Horton healthy/more experience and Shaheed (wonder why we went for MVS and not Shaheed before the season, probably wasn’t an option I’m guessing)
Job well done.
Worth it.
Jokes aside. I agree with the article. I have no idea how to rank Kupps effectiveness on the offense. But I know it’s hard to be negative on anyone in such a stellar offense. My outlook is positive on Kupp (and probably won’t be here next year) but happy Shaheed is here.
He won’t retire. He’s the type that needs to work. If he’s released, he’ll either play for someone else or coach somewhere else. I think it’d be a shame if it’s for another team.
I don't think that passing volume is reason enough to say a certain receiver isn't worth the money when that receiver is catching what is thrown at him. Through 8 games, Darnold is only attempting 27 passes/game and completing 19/game. That is good for 24th and 22nd in the NFL, respectively, while his passing yardage is 8th. JSN is getting 7.25 of those completions/game, leaving 11-12 completions/game to spread around to the rest of the receivers/TEs/RBs. This isn't a matter of ability, it is a matter of mathematics. Kupp is fine.
Issac that’s one that just hit me (fantasy review). I really hadn’t realized he’s less than 30 attempts a game. Penix and this Sunday’s Brisset roughly 10 more a game. You’ve got roughly 6 receivers a game and JSN demanding a third, that’s only 15-20 for roughly 5 guys. 3-4 a game doesn’t equate to much. On other hand White getting only 1 but goes 60 and a TD, I’ll take Kupp occupying a defender.
Volume notwithstanding, Kupp has n’t shown much outside of the Pittsburgh and Tampa Bay games. He’ll have his chance on Sunday as Horton probably won’t play and MM seems to think that Shahid will be limited to the return game.
This is my take as well. Our yardage and explosive plays are coming via the pass but I don't see us as a "passing" team. We are quite balanced overall. If his playing time starts decreasing, we will know the writing is on the wall. Until then, I have to believe the coaching staff is content with his output.
As to whether Kupp is "worth it", based on his hard stats, he is not. During the press conference with KK this week, he was asked about Kupp's feedback to the coaches and whether it was common for a player to offer feedback. KK's answer was "it is not uncommon but Kupp has an uncommon way of going about it and the coaches are listening."
Sometimes a player's value isn't captured via the pure statistics. From what I am seeing and hearing, he is worth every penny this year.
As of Thursday, the Seahawks had four WRs on the injury report (Young, Bobo, Horton, Kupp), and Kupp was the only one that participated in Thursday's practice.
Can you put a price on winning the Super Bowl? Many would consider trading one of their limbs for a Super Bowl. He is worth it for this year, and maybe sign him up to coach for us in the future.
Not my quote, but always relevant in pro sports: "the most important ability.is availability..."
In addition to Kupp"s current hammy, this article references a previous hamstring injury. On AM710 this week, former WSU/NFL receiver Michael Bumpus said when veteran receivers accumulate hamstring problems, the end is near. Not a good year for Hawk receiver health. Assuming Shaheed doesn't fall on his face & Kupp's guaranteed, maybe stash Kupp on IL, open up a roster spot and use Kupp if needed later season & playoffs.
The Seahawks pissed away almost 70M in dead cap charges this year... they can spare a few extra million for a guy who brings all this to the table, particularly in absence of other/better options at the time. More generally, when people are looking for wins, they tend to severely underrate the fact that these are human beings who have to work together... have each other's backs... teach.. learn.. support... believe. Moneyball has its merits too, but it is not measuring every single thing (or even close) that goes into a winner.
First, not surprised at two NFL players from EWU. I went there in 1967 and they were nationally ranked among small colleges back then. As for Cooper Kupp...he is a bonifide card carrying TWO-FER! In my (somewhat less than) humble opinion, as just a reciever, Cooper would be a starter on a bunch of teams. As a WR Coach alone he would likely be an upgrade on more than a few. Yeah, he's worth the money. I would not trade our WR room with anyone! GO HAWKS!
I think the Kupp is half full.
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“Which, unfortunately, is another way of saying that Kupp is *probably not worth his salary* because if nobody can quantify his non-production related value then that means that John Schneider can’t quantify it.”
This is where I disagree. I value my car. I value my son. One has a price tag. It would be false to say my son is probably worth less than my car.
Another thought is that just because currently no one knows how to quantify those other aspects Kupp brings, doesn’t mean they can’t be quantified.
In basketball, to help quantify a player’s overall impact, teams track the production of the team when Player X is on the floor and when he’s not whether or not they are a scorer. This helps quantify the intangible value of setting screens, communicating with teammates, and being a scrappy defender.
Hold yer horses, cowboy! We just added some depth so Coop can rest a little. 10-12 game season, healthy for the playoffs, leader in the clubhouse, what we wanted. Next season is next season.
Good call!
I know not what
Was Percy Harvin worth it? I think he was the highest paid receiver the year we won it all. I don't think anyone cares how much we paid for CK as long as we win baby! But yes it's an overpay...but it might just be worth it in this situation. We'll find out.
Percy received $14.5 million for one game in 2013 and was worth it. I never thought the Hawks would win a championship up to that point and am happy he was on that team for that one game. So worth it.
....plus if by having CK we get over the hump and beat the rams twice (or more) this season it'll be well worth it.
I should have posted it when I saw it but after one of the games there was a Mark Schlereth video where he was talking about CK. He said when he went in motion down the line he was calling out the defense alignment. He also mentioned the time CK spends in the QB room. As a receiver, so far for this year he is overpaid. Like Joe said, how do you put a $$$ on the other things he does, coaching/mentoring? I'm glad he's on the team and I think he is worth it for all the intangibles. Who knows how much better the team is this year because he is on it? I don't see the advantage to cutting him with his guaranteed contract. Let him play out the guaranteed contract and hopefully we build up some good will that he can become one of our coaches like has been suggested. And you know he's going to make Rashid better. A better Rashid opposite JSN? Look out, super bowl here we come!
At Over The Cap look up Kupp. There is a valuation tab. He is below his value right now. Could improve later when he gets healthy. People say cut him. I say wait and see. How will you feel about cutting him if he catches the game winning touchdown in the super bowl?
As always, a good newsletter Joe.
I glad he's a Seahawk, but he's not worth it. His salary is a luxury this season that we can afford, and maybe all the intangible stuff is worth it, but he's got to be cut after we win the Super Bowl.
Would JS offer him a pay cut with a little more guaranteed money to stay with the team next year? Something like they did with Nwosu? There is just no way that JS can justify the cap space to keep him in 2026 on his current deal, but they may want to explore other ways to keep him around for depth and leadership. We'll owe him about $8 million anyway. What might a new deal look like that guarantees a little more while lowering the cap hit?
I'm not sure there is a clear reason to cut him for either the financials nor the roster. What I might see him doing is realizing he has to go fight for WR2 playing time and continues to push himself to do that. That said, I dont see him playing all three years of this contract, this could very well be his last season here. Seems like he has a knack for coaching and mentoring, but as a competitor can he make that switch for the next season.
Kupp excels at seeing what he needs to see. His teaching talents are over and above that. Surely he sees himself playing in a young man's game. I suspect landing here is no accident. No doubt he has a working knowledge of Billy Ball and the needs it creates. As Jody, John and Mike continue to build our Hawks, I hold zero doubt they will find Cooper a place among us where he can continue to re-write The Book on how to coach today's young folks. Where better to land than a place where he grew up? Neighborhood and Community are our way forward, Seasiders. I find great comfort in our endeavors, to include Coop as a future Coach.
Kupp was a “bridge” WR
Biding enough time to get Horton healthy/more experience and Shaheed (wonder why we went for MVS and not Shaheed before the season, probably wasn’t an option I’m guessing)
Job well done.
Worth it.
Jokes aside. I agree with the article. I have no idea how to rank Kupps effectiveness on the offense. But I know it’s hard to be negative on anyone in such a stellar offense. My outlook is positive on Kupp (and probably won’t be here next year) but happy Shaheed is here.
I really hope he transitions to receiver/qb coach, (emergency receiver) and doesn't retire.
He won’t retire. He’s the type that needs to work. If he’s released, he’ll either play for someone else or coach somewhere else. I think it’d be a shame if it’s for another team.
I don't think that passing volume is reason enough to say a certain receiver isn't worth the money when that receiver is catching what is thrown at him. Through 8 games, Darnold is only attempting 27 passes/game and completing 19/game. That is good for 24th and 22nd in the NFL, respectively, while his passing yardage is 8th. JSN is getting 7.25 of those completions/game, leaving 11-12 completions/game to spread around to the rest of the receivers/TEs/RBs. This isn't a matter of ability, it is a matter of mathematics. Kupp is fine.
Issac that’s one that just hit me (fantasy review). I really hadn’t realized he’s less than 30 attempts a game. Penix and this Sunday’s Brisset roughly 10 more a game. You’ve got roughly 6 receivers a game and JSN demanding a third, that’s only 15-20 for roughly 5 guys. 3-4 a game doesn’t equate to much. On other hand White getting only 1 but goes 60 and a TD, I’ll take Kupp occupying a defender.
Volume notwithstanding, Kupp has n’t shown much outside of the Pittsburgh and Tampa Bay games. He’ll have his chance on Sunday as Horton probably won’t play and MM seems to think that Shahid will be limited to the return game.
This is my take as well. Our yardage and explosive plays are coming via the pass but I don't see us as a "passing" team. We are quite balanced overall. If his playing time starts decreasing, we will know the writing is on the wall. Until then, I have to believe the coaching staff is content with his output.
As to whether Kupp is "worth it", based on his hard stats, he is not. During the press conference with KK this week, he was asked about Kupp's feedback to the coaches and whether it was common for a player to offer feedback. KK's answer was "it is not uncommon but Kupp has an uncommon way of going about it and the coaches are listening."
Sometimes a player's value isn't captured via the pure statistics. From what I am seeing and hearing, he is worth every penny this year.
Agree, he’ll be fine for what we need. His only issue is going to be staying healthy.
As of Thursday, the Seahawks had four WRs on the injury report (Young, Bobo, Horton, Kupp), and Kupp was the only one that participated in Thursday's practice.
Shaheed pick up paying dividends already!