Here’s one thing about the unfairness of Spoon making $5m next year when lesser CB’s as shown are making more:
He got a $20.2m cash bonus upfront, when he signed.
THEN he got $750k for Yr 1 salary, basically a UDFA
An addl $2.2m in Yr 2
An addl $3.7m in Yr 3
And then this yr an add’l $5.1m.
I get how he could be looking around at lesser players’ pay, but, the $26m he’s already banked has to be worth something right? I’d certainly prefer to receive 65% of my next 4 yrs pay today 🥂
Never say never…BUT Spoon is a culture setter for the D, and MM LOVES him. I do suspect that Spoon’s agent is asking for the sun, the moon and the stars, but in the end, the Hawks love Spoon, and Spoon loves the Hawks. I will be shocked if anything other than an extension happens.
Yes I’m also of the opinion that we are defense first and if I were to draw a line in the sand it would be Spoon over JSN. That said:
Spoon is small but doesn’t realize it. Like my little shihtzu Sophie who will light into a Doberman until she suddenly realizes it’s too late. She’s balls out 100% of the time but it can catch you.
Can Spoon play like he plays for another 6 yrs? Maybe they’re arguing not about APY, but about term and guarantees. Bc Schneider may be asking himself for how long he’s going to be able to keep throwing himself like he does at the Dobermans.
JSN is a phenomenal receiver and just got paid like it, but somehow he doesn’t feel like the heart and soul of the offense. Spoon does feel like the heart and soul of the defense and maybe the whole team. I expect he’ll be extended in a way that’s fair to the team and him. I realize
I’m letting my defensive preference show here, but no one doubts the defense was the difference maker last season, so pay the man who energized it!
I've known football when the sense of being Home was alive and well. The days of "Us against the World". I believe Schneider is sincere in trying to return us to experiencing some of that. I am encouraged to hear some of our new Rookies eschewed the Big Bucks to remain "at Home, playing among friends and family". Cold corporatism has delivered us a choice between being happy and being filthy rich. I recall Earl Thomas going on about this, urging his teammates to take a little less and let JS "spread the cheese around". If Devon gambles on us and loses, then let's make CERTAIN we properly compensate him (and anyone else) for the gamble. Let's see what can be built under the strictures the Players Assosiation has imposed. I guarantee we are missing a vital component of Football. Let's make a serious attempt to revive it. If John and Devon have issues, call in Jody. Moms have a way with this stuff.
I feel sure we sign him. And player for player trades are very rare, but Spoon for Maxx Crosby and a day 2 pick doesn't sound outlandish. Considering age and wear.
A tangentially related aside: I wish I knew one percent as much about football as my wife thinks I do. The other night I was watching a YouTube short with Roger Goodell talking about a potential 18 game season. I remarked that 16 was already pushing it, and we're seeing too many starters miss the playoffs due to injuries already. And she asked me with a straight face, "How many players played every snap of the season without an injury last year?" Like I was going to say, "347, dear."
She didn't understand why I found the question funny and then asked me how many Seahawks played through the season and didn't miss a snap to injury. I said that Sam Darnold, Jason Meyers and Michael Dickson for sure didn't, and Gray Zabel only missed a series, but past that I'd be guessing. She was surprised that I didn't know, and I don't think that AI could even (correctly) answer that!
I believe in JS’s line in the sand on extension costs. I have no idea where it is, but I would bet that currently Spoon’s agent is asking for more than that line in the sand. This is why I hate the salary cap. But baseball proves why a salary cap is beneficial for competition. My answer is a new rule that your own drafted players or UDFAs can be signed to a second contract but only 2/3 of the contract costs against the cap. This would encourage teams to keep drafted players, would allow fans to develop a tighter bond with long term players associated with the team, which I think would bring more fans of the teams. Win for the owners, win for the players, win for the fans. I now hate professional basketball. Players will pick up and move every year or two. It is unwatchable for me. No wonder fan interest in basketball decreases with every year.
I don't think the salary cap is the biggest driver of competition in the NFL versus MLB. The quick impact of draftees and the schedule pitting teams against the three other same-place division finishers in their conference are huge forces compared to MLB.
Yeah, but the cap is a big cause of players leaving the teams that drafted them when the 2nd contract comes around. Teams need top be careful to conserve cap space for needs, and players have to go to who is willing to give them the best offer.
The modern game is a joke. “The gather step?” Wtf? I went to basketball camp two summers in a row with Lou Carnesecca the old St. John’s university coach. H’e roll over in his grave if he knew how they played the game today. They’ve completely abandoned the rules that made defense an equal part of the game.
Those who know will talk about Cousy and Russell and Robertson and Dr J and Bird and Parish and Gary Payton and Jerry West and Magic and Kareem and of course MJ and Kobe and yeah Clyde the Glide and my childhood hero Sidney Wicks. All these new guys would literally have to relearn basketball to play real basketball.
I only played seriously till college but was a point guard and I swear today’s guards (and all ball handlers) are palming the ball pretty much every bounce. At least the way they used to call it on me….
The organization loves Spoon. They need to be seen doing right by a player who gives his all to the team.
If teammates see the organization disrespect Spoon, it won’t just be one player resenting the franchise, it would be all of the players. That would destroy the 12 as one brotherhood overnight.
That’s not to say that the team wouldn’t trade him for a big haul down the road. Blockbuster trades aren’t disrespect; they’re business deals, as compared to cheapskate standoffs and holdouts.
This article convinces me of an extension this offseason. It also sets expectations that a big trade could happen down the road.
Nah, they’re keeping him. He’s a force multiplier and a fave of MM. At one of the post draft pressers both JS and MM were imagining what it would be like to get Bud Clark and Spoon in the same room together. They said Clark has that very similar verbal exuberance and talking like Spoon. Spoon, Bud, and Emmanwori together. Wow. That would be super dope. The coaches are licking their chops for what can be for the Dark Side part 2.
Here’s one thing about the unfairness of Spoon making $5m next year when lesser CB’s as shown are making more:
He got a $20.2m cash bonus upfront, when he signed.
THEN he got $750k for Yr 1 salary, basically a UDFA
An addl $2.2m in Yr 2
An addl $3.7m in Yr 3
And then this yr an add’l $5.1m.
I get how he could be looking around at lesser players’ pay, but, the $26m he’s already banked has to be worth something right? I’d certainly prefer to receive 65% of my next 4 yrs pay today 🥂
Never say never…BUT Spoon is a culture setter for the D, and MM LOVES him. I do suspect that Spoon’s agent is asking for the sun, the moon and the stars, but in the end, the Hawks love Spoon, and Spoon loves the Hawks. I will be shocked if anything other than an extension happens.
Yes I’m also of the opinion that we are defense first and if I were to draw a line in the sand it would be Spoon over JSN. That said:
Spoon is small but doesn’t realize it. Like my little shihtzu Sophie who will light into a Doberman until she suddenly realizes it’s too late. She’s balls out 100% of the time but it can catch you.
Can Spoon play like he plays for another 6 yrs? Maybe they’re arguing not about APY, but about term and guarantees. Bc Schneider may be asking himself for how long he’s going to be able to keep throwing himself like he does at the Dobermans.
JSN is a phenomenal receiver and just got paid like it, but somehow he doesn’t feel like the heart and soul of the offense. Spoon does feel like the heart and soul of the defense and maybe the whole team. I expect he’ll be extended in a way that’s fair to the team and him. I realize
I’m letting my defensive preference show here, but no one doubts the defense was the difference maker last season, so pay the man who energized it!
I've known football when the sense of being Home was alive and well. The days of "Us against the World". I believe Schneider is sincere in trying to return us to experiencing some of that. I am encouraged to hear some of our new Rookies eschewed the Big Bucks to remain "at Home, playing among friends and family". Cold corporatism has delivered us a choice between being happy and being filthy rich. I recall Earl Thomas going on about this, urging his teammates to take a little less and let JS "spread the cheese around". If Devon gambles on us and loses, then let's make CERTAIN we properly compensate him (and anyone else) for the gamble. Let's see what can be built under the strictures the Players Assosiation has imposed. I guarantee we are missing a vital component of Football. Let's make a serious attempt to revive it. If John and Devon have issues, call in Jody. Moms have a way with this stuff.
I feel sure we sign him. And player for player trades are very rare, but Spoon for Maxx Crosby and a day 2 pick doesn't sound outlandish. Considering age and wear.
A tangentially related aside: I wish I knew one percent as much about football as my wife thinks I do. The other night I was watching a YouTube short with Roger Goodell talking about a potential 18 game season. I remarked that 16 was already pushing it, and we're seeing too many starters miss the playoffs due to injuries already. And she asked me with a straight face, "How many players played every snap of the season without an injury last year?" Like I was going to say, "347, dear."
Pshaw! 345, at most.
She didn't understand why I found the question funny and then asked me how many Seahawks played through the season and didn't miss a snap to injury. I said that Sam Darnold, Jason Meyers and Michael Dickson for sure didn't, and Gray Zabel only missed a series, but past that I'd be guessing. She was surprised that I didn't know, and I don't think that AI could even (correctly) answer that!
I believe in JS’s line in the sand on extension costs. I have no idea where it is, but I would bet that currently Spoon’s agent is asking for more than that line in the sand. This is why I hate the salary cap. But baseball proves why a salary cap is beneficial for competition. My answer is a new rule that your own drafted players or UDFAs can be signed to a second contract but only 2/3 of the contract costs against the cap. This would encourage teams to keep drafted players, would allow fans to develop a tighter bond with long term players associated with the team, which I think would bring more fans of the teams. Win for the owners, win for the players, win for the fans. I now hate professional basketball. Players will pick up and move every year or two. It is unwatchable for me. No wonder fan interest in basketball decreases with every year.
I don't think the salary cap is the biggest driver of competition in the NFL versus MLB. The quick impact of draftees and the schedule pitting teams against the three other same-place division finishers in their conference are huge forces compared to MLB.
Yeah, but the cap is a big cause of players leaving the teams that drafted them when the 2nd contract comes around. Teams need top be careful to conserve cap space for needs, and players have to go to who is willing to give them the best offer.
True that! Huge Basket ball fan in the 90's when Drexler and Jordan were competing. Lost all interest as it "modernized".
The modern game is a joke. “The gather step?” Wtf? I went to basketball camp two summers in a row with Lou Carnesecca the old St. John’s university coach. H’e roll over in his grave if he knew how they played the game today. They’ve completely abandoned the rules that made defense an equal part of the game.
Those who know will talk about Cousy and Russell and Robertson and Dr J and Bird and Parish and Gary Payton and Jerry West and Magic and Kareem and of course MJ and Kobe and yeah Clyde the Glide and my childhood hero Sidney Wicks. All these new guys would literally have to relearn basketball to play real basketball.
They should be forced to change the name. It’s not a real game anymore. It’s just entertainment.
I only played seriously till college but was a point guard and I swear today’s guards (and all ball handlers) are palming the ball pretty much every bounce. At least the way they used to call it on me….
The organization loves Spoon. They need to be seen doing right by a player who gives his all to the team.
If teammates see the organization disrespect Spoon, it won’t just be one player resenting the franchise, it would be all of the players. That would destroy the 12 as one brotherhood overnight.
That’s not to say that the team wouldn’t trade him for a big haul down the road. Blockbuster trades aren’t disrespect; they’re business deals, as compared to cheapskate standoffs and holdouts.
This article convinces me of an extension this offseason. It also sets expectations that a big trade could happen down the road.
Nah, they’re keeping him. He’s a force multiplier and a fave of MM. At one of the post draft pressers both JS and MM were imagining what it would be like to get Bud Clark and Spoon in the same room together. They said Clark has that very similar verbal exuberance and talking like Spoon. Spoon, Bud, and Emmanwori together. Wow. That would be super dope. The coaches are licking their chops for what can be for the Dark Side part 2.
They are finding genuine joy in playing together. Now, let's keep it.