Who is your favorite Seahawks 2nd round pick of all-time?
Some 2nd round notes:
- The Seahawks first second round in 1976 consisted of Sammy Green, Sherman Smith, and Steve Raible
- The first Pro Bowler drafted by Seattle in the second round was WR Brian Blades (1988)
- The first All-Pro and Hall of Famer drafted in the second round was C Kevin Mawae (1994)
- Other Pro Bowlers: S Ken Hamlin, LB Lofa Tatupu, WR Golden Tate, C Max Unger, LB Bobby Wagner, DE Frank Clark, WR DK Metcalf
- The Seahawks have never drafted a QB in the second round
- The least valuable player the Seahawks ever drafted in the second round is Malik McDowell (2017) but McDowell still played in more career games than T Andre Hines, Seattle's 2nd round pick (44th overall) in 1980. The next OL off the board after Hines was Dwight Stephenson, a Hall of Fame center for the Dolphins.
The question should be who is your favorite 2nd round pick not named Bobby Wagner. For me, it's Brian Blades. He was the best offensive player when I first started watching the Seahawks and has a super cool name. Lofa Tatupu is my runner up.
I did not watch Football before 2008 when I was 15.
I can't remember following the draft this time but when I saw him play the first time I am pretty sure who my favorite is.... Bobby Wagner!!! He and Kam kickstarted my Seattle Fandom when I had not been a fan of any franchise other than German Football (soccer, whatever) Clubs.
Humor me here Ken. What if there is a tackle that could be available at 18 that is better graded than Lucas!? Lucas would become a swing tackle. In the second round, if we don’t trade up into the 30’s to get our guy, we get our guard. With two picks we have upgraded three positions potentially
The what if game this time of year is all we as fans have. I do think that as we get closer and closer to the actual draft a few things to be true.
One, in the first round at 18 we are going to be picking from one of these positions: tackle, DT (edge or tackle) CB, WR or QB.
Two, with two second round picks and two third round picks the opportunity to move up into late first early second is a very real possibility this year. I feel that if we have someone on our board somewhere 30-43 we are going to go get them. I anticipate this being a guard and only a guard. John can justify chasing an early round guard based on public perception alone but it’s also the most needed position for upgrading.
I think the trade up this year is going to happen to get a guard. Two day one starters as either first rounders or one first and a high second. I do not think we will keep both seconds and thirds. You heard it here first. We are trading up from the 50’s into the 30’s
We'd be possibly the best place in the NFL for Porter to land, but i have concerns. He's an outstanding athlete, truly, and his natural instincts are strong. But his base technique is so so raw and rough for a player turning 25 this year. Like a lot of players, he got by in College based on a significant speed/atheltic advantage, and it's a question of where coaches will see his development. For me, i think the NFL would expose him as such - fast and long, but not a great footballer underneath.
If you want an Iowa DB, for me it's Seb Castro. Far less of a flashy tester & numbers player, much more of a "wow this guys tape is good". Smart, versatile, reported excellent character, and proven production over a long football career. Bump Schwesinger & Arroyo up one pick, and slide Castro in at 92 for me.
I guess also in part because i have more strong feelings towards Barron/Johnson at 18 filling the CB need. But if needed on Day 2, i like the idea of Ben Morrison (Notre Dame). Great tape, college award recognition, can tackle properly, and should fit MM scheme.
I think a trade up early on Day 2 is very likely. Package in one of the 3rds and we could get back something useful still. Packaged in one of the 5ths easily. Lots of options that could see us with another go in the 4th Rd this year, or adding 2026 Day 2 capital.
Wouldn't be shocked to see us trading up from 50 and down from 52, leading to some sort of 'balance'. Seriously, 18 is a meh pick, we just wait and see who's there as trading up will be too expensive, and no-one will realistically make trading down worth it. But those four Day 2 picks lead so very many options open right where this years draft class is most interesting. Even staying put leads to options of who to pick... it's going to be a long weekend and i'm excited.
Darien Porter reminds me a little of Richard Sherman...played WR until moving to CB for their last year and have a track background, both big for CB at 6-4....I can't wait any longer, this draft is never gonna get here.
Love writeups like this. Yes a lot of what ifs, but we know JS doesn’t go with runs on players. So, 50 could really not be “50” just like last year and getting a top 10 player later. On the too many players, yes fans may not be patient, but GM needs to think future for money reasons. Plus like NE years ago, sometimes these backups become valuable trades later. But agreed and another article, how many slots really on the 53 player roster are truly available for this rookie class? You’ve started that a week ago.
My favorite PLAYER chosen in the second round is Bobby Wagner. But favorite overall second round pick is Steve Raible. Not for his playing, but because it started his Seahawks career that led to him being the voice of the Seahawks for DECADES. I mean, who doesn’t appreciate his “Touchdown Seahawks!” calls. I never thought he’d become more iconic that the first voice of the Hawks, Pete Gross, but to me he has become THE voice.
Ooooooh, the news about the Saints losing their starting QB. Does that mean the recent signing of Drew Locke place the Hawks in negotiation mode with the Saints? Hmmm very interesting. Probably just being silly but having fun with it.
I usually don't answer questions like this because I can't pick just one but in this case number 2 would be hard but number 1 has to be Bobby Wagner. IMO a first ballot Hall of famer. And while I'm here thank you for another great article. You do an awesome job.
I'm thinking five QBs in the top two rounds. Cam Ward goes to the Titan or the entire draft entertainment complex implodes, and, besides, mayonnaise? Cleveland has probably bought itself a year of peace, and has too many other needs. The Giants...either draft a QB in R1 or R2 or move up, and I think they might be stuck because...the Saints now have Carr out for the season (my guess is they take Will Howard), and the Jets are only slightly less desperate. Plus the Stealers. So...Ward, Howard, Sanders, Shough...Dart (almost forgot him), maybe Milroe?
Please may none of them be Seahawks.
Maybe that frenzy makes 18 worth going after for one of those desperate suitors, maybe not. I'm good sticking and picking, so long as JS is active trying to move up on day two. Unless the draft falls our way and 50/52 yield what we need.
Also...I heard one smart fellow suggest the Seahawks go ahead and take Arroyo at 18 if the top two TEs are gone.
A big part of me wants the Seahawks to trade back with the Browns or Giants at pick 18. If Shedeur falls to 18, they can snipe him from the Steelers at 21 by taking our pick at 18. Most people say a trade up for a QB requires a premium payment in picks. I’ve tried several times to look at the haul we could get from a trade back with those QB needy teams. We could easily have 6 picks on day two and another 4th round pick which we could combine with one of our 5th round picks and trade into the 3rd round for 7 picks on day 2!!!
We'll see what happens, I don't necessarily see the Seahawks picking more than 4 times on day 2. At a certain point, a team is kind of just wasting those picks because there are only so many roles on the team that would be of use in 2025 and 2026 and there are only so many "big jobs" that you want to give to rookies -- Plus it's a lot of work to coach a first-year player and to help that player become acclimated to such a huge change in his life, both off the field, in practice, and on the field on Sundays, so I don't see it as always being ideal to add to the team's plate even more rookie players all at once who they have to lead into the NFL.
Brought this up to a question last week, but the Seahawks might only be 1-2 starting jobs available to rookies right now. And though it could definitely work out long-term to get a player into the building and develop him for 1-3 years, we saw the reaction fans had to Christian Haynes being on the bench last season. There's not much patience in the NFL.
I see that you're saying basically if the Seahawks trade back from 18 to round 2, that wouldn't necessarily be adding a pick, just moving down and getting something in return. I think if that's the case, ideally Seattle targets picks in 2026. It depends how the board falls and who they're passing on at 18, but generally I agree with your scenario of trading back, and maybe the hope is that the team has received a second round pick in 2026+3rd or a 4th. (I think a first rounder probably not gonna happen unless it's a really far back trade.)
The other question is, Why would teams want to trade up specifically with Seattle? The only team they really need to jump over is the Steelers at 21, so if the Seahawks ask for too much, then the Giants/Browns can just say "whatever, no thank you" and call the next teams at 19 and 20. Or they could trade higher than Seattle and call the Falcons, Cardinals, or Bengals instead.
Agreed that QBs should net a higher return (the Bears drastically overpaid for Justin Fields in 2021) but despite how badly the media wants us to believe this is a good QB class, I'll still be surprised if any team is gaga over these players. I still can't believe that Cam Ward became the consensus number one pick. That to me is just more of an indication of how bad this QB class is.
Yes, I get that. Maybe if the Giants or Browns are looking to trade up, the optimal request would be for their 1st in 2026 and their 2nd in 2025. The first round pick of the Giants especially could be top 10, perhaps likely top 10 next year. If we are dissatisfied with Darnold, we would be set up for a QB in next year’s draft.
What I'm saying is that those teams aren't going to give up a 2026 first round pick to go from 33 to 18. So are you willing to drop from 18 to 33 for something like pick 3.65? Because that might be the high end of the offers.
That reminds me of round one last year when the first 14 picks were all offensive players. It was Seattle’s dream scenario. I was hoping for 4 QBs, we got 6. The more RBs in rounds 2 and 3 the better. None for my Seahawks please! I’ll take a CB, DL or WR, OL (just one) and a TE assuming we take edge in rounds one.
I am guessing JS was focusing on defense at 18 unless his top picks were gone, and then look at a trade back. There’s good reason to believe Murphy was the number one defensive player on the Seahawks draft board last year
Who is your favorite Seahawks 2nd round pick of all-time?
Some 2nd round notes:
- The Seahawks first second round in 1976 consisted of Sammy Green, Sherman Smith, and Steve Raible
- The first Pro Bowler drafted by Seattle in the second round was WR Brian Blades (1988)
- The first All-Pro and Hall of Famer drafted in the second round was C Kevin Mawae (1994)
- Other Pro Bowlers: S Ken Hamlin, LB Lofa Tatupu, WR Golden Tate, C Max Unger, LB Bobby Wagner, DE Frank Clark, WR DK Metcalf
- The Seahawks have never drafted a QB in the second round
- The least valuable player the Seahawks ever drafted in the second round is Malik McDowell (2017) but McDowell still played in more career games than T Andre Hines, Seattle's 2nd round pick (44th overall) in 1980. The next OL off the board after Hines was Dwight Stephenson, a Hall of Fame center for the Dolphins.
The question should be who is your favorite 2nd round pick not named Bobby Wagner. For me, it's Brian Blades. He was the best offensive player when I first started watching the Seahawks and has a super cool name. Lofa Tatupu is my runner up.
I did not watch Football before 2008 when I was 15.
I can't remember following the draft this time but when I saw him play the first time I am pretty sure who my favorite is.... Bobby Wagner!!! He and Kam kickstarted my Seattle Fandom when I had not been a fan of any franchise other than German Football (soccer, whatever) Clubs.
Wagz for me, although I also remember really liking Metcalf when he fell to us at 64.
And I also liked Kenneth Walker III bc you had been talking him up pre-draft and had me convinced he was a great back -- and then he fell to us!
Bobby Wagner.
Raible!! Touchdowwwwn Seahawks!
Sherman Smith simply because that’s when I became a Seahawks fan. But clearly Lofa, BWagz, Mawae and Max.
Humor me here Ken. What if there is a tackle that could be available at 18 that is better graded than Lucas!? Lucas would become a swing tackle. In the second round, if we don’t trade up into the 30’s to get our guy, we get our guard. With two picks we have upgraded three positions potentially
The what if game this time of year is all we as fans have. I do think that as we get closer and closer to the actual draft a few things to be true.
One, in the first round at 18 we are going to be picking from one of these positions: tackle, DT (edge or tackle) CB, WR or QB.
Two, with two second round picks and two third round picks the opportunity to move up into late first early second is a very real possibility this year. I feel that if we have someone on our board somewhere 30-43 we are going to go get them. I anticipate this being a guard and only a guard. John can justify chasing an early round guard based on public perception alone but it’s also the most needed position for upgrading.
I think the trade up this year is going to happen to get a guard. Two day one starters as either first rounders or one first and a high second. I do not think we will keep both seconds and thirds. You heard it here first. We are trading up from the 50’s into the 30’s
Schwesinger Will be long gone before our picks in round 3. He’s too good. Seahawks might be tempted at 50 or 52 for him.
Thanks for including my comment, always nice to see your names in lights=]
We'd be possibly the best place in the NFL for Porter to land, but i have concerns. He's an outstanding athlete, truly, and his natural instincts are strong. But his base technique is so so raw and rough for a player turning 25 this year. Like a lot of players, he got by in College based on a significant speed/atheltic advantage, and it's a question of where coaches will see his development. For me, i think the NFL would expose him as such - fast and long, but not a great footballer underneath.
If you want an Iowa DB, for me it's Seb Castro. Far less of a flashy tester & numbers player, much more of a "wow this guys tape is good". Smart, versatile, reported excellent character, and proven production over a long football career. Bump Schwesinger & Arroyo up one pick, and slide Castro in at 92 for me.
I guess also in part because i have more strong feelings towards Barron/Johnson at 18 filling the CB need. But if needed on Day 2, i like the idea of Ben Morrison (Notre Dame). Great tape, college award recognition, can tackle properly, and should fit MM scheme.
I like Benjamin Morrison...the human seatbelt lol. I like Parish a lot - he's smaller but he hits.
I'm a big Morrison fan too, maybe worth a cheeky trade up to the early 40s
I think a trade up early on Day 2 is very likely. Package in one of the 3rds and we could get back something useful still. Packaged in one of the 5ths easily. Lots of options that could see us with another go in the 4th Rd this year, or adding 2026 Day 2 capital.
Wouldn't be shocked to see us trading up from 50 and down from 52, leading to some sort of 'balance'. Seriously, 18 is a meh pick, we just wait and see who's there as trading up will be too expensive, and no-one will realistically make trading down worth it. But those four Day 2 picks lead so very many options open right where this years draft class is most interesting. Even staying put leads to options of who to pick... it's going to be a long weekend and i'm excited.
Darien Porter reminds me a little of Richard Sherman...played WR until moving to CB for their last year and have a track background, both big for CB at 6-4....I can't wait any longer, this draft is never gonna get here.
Williamson and Saviinaea (sp?) are my first two picks! Yes!!
Love writeups like this. Yes a lot of what ifs, but we know JS doesn’t go with runs on players. So, 50 could really not be “50” just like last year and getting a top 10 player later. On the too many players, yes fans may not be patient, but GM needs to think future for money reasons. Plus like NE years ago, sometimes these backups become valuable trades later. But agreed and another article, how many slots really on the 53 player roster are truly available for this rookie class? You’ve started that a week ago.
My favorite PLAYER chosen in the second round is Bobby Wagner. But favorite overall second round pick is Steve Raible. Not for his playing, but because it started his Seahawks career that led to him being the voice of the Seahawks for DECADES. I mean, who doesn’t appreciate his “Touchdown Seahawks!” calls. I never thought he’d become more iconic that the first voice of the Hawks, Pete Gross, but to me he has become THE voice.
Ooooooh, the news about the Saints losing their starting QB. Does that mean the recent signing of Drew Locke place the Hawks in negotiation mode with the Saints? Hmmm very interesting. Probably just being silly but having fun with it.
I usually don't answer questions like this because I can't pick just one but in this case number 2 would be hard but number 1 has to be Bobby Wagner. IMO a first ballot Hall of famer. And while I'm here thank you for another great article. You do an awesome job.
Thanks John! Yeah, hard to top one of the best second round picks of all-time by any team.
I'm thinking five QBs in the top two rounds. Cam Ward goes to the Titan or the entire draft entertainment complex implodes, and, besides, mayonnaise? Cleveland has probably bought itself a year of peace, and has too many other needs. The Giants...either draft a QB in R1 or R2 or move up, and I think they might be stuck because...the Saints now have Carr out for the season (my guess is they take Will Howard), and the Jets are only slightly less desperate. Plus the Stealers. So...Ward, Howard, Sanders, Shough...Dart (almost forgot him), maybe Milroe?
Please may none of them be Seahawks.
Maybe that frenzy makes 18 worth going after for one of those desperate suitors, maybe not. I'm good sticking and picking, so long as JS is active trying to move up on day two. Unless the draft falls our way and 50/52 yield what we need.
Also...I heard one smart fellow suggest the Seahawks go ahead and take Arroyo at 18 if the top two TEs are gone.
The draft can't come soon enough!
LOVE your spelling of the PIT franchise nickname!
I wish I could tell you I'd typed that on purpose.
A big part of me wants the Seahawks to trade back with the Browns or Giants at pick 18. If Shedeur falls to 18, they can snipe him from the Steelers at 21 by taking our pick at 18. Most people say a trade up for a QB requires a premium payment in picks. I’ve tried several times to look at the haul we could get from a trade back with those QB needy teams. We could easily have 6 picks on day two and another 4th round pick which we could combine with one of our 5th round picks and trade into the 3rd round for 7 picks on day 2!!!
We'll see what happens, I don't necessarily see the Seahawks picking more than 4 times on day 2. At a certain point, a team is kind of just wasting those picks because there are only so many roles on the team that would be of use in 2025 and 2026 and there are only so many "big jobs" that you want to give to rookies -- Plus it's a lot of work to coach a first-year player and to help that player become acclimated to such a huge change in his life, both off the field, in practice, and on the field on Sundays, so I don't see it as always being ideal to add to the team's plate even more rookie players all at once who they have to lead into the NFL.
Brought this up to a question last week, but the Seahawks might only be 1-2 starting jobs available to rookies right now. And though it could definitely work out long-term to get a player into the building and develop him for 1-3 years, we saw the reaction fans had to Christian Haynes being on the bench last season. There's not much patience in the NFL.
I see that you're saying basically if the Seahawks trade back from 18 to round 2, that wouldn't necessarily be adding a pick, just moving down and getting something in return. I think if that's the case, ideally Seattle targets picks in 2026. It depends how the board falls and who they're passing on at 18, but generally I agree with your scenario of trading back, and maybe the hope is that the team has received a second round pick in 2026+3rd or a 4th. (I think a first rounder probably not gonna happen unless it's a really far back trade.)
The other question is, Why would teams want to trade up specifically with Seattle? The only team they really need to jump over is the Steelers at 21, so if the Seahawks ask for too much, then the Giants/Browns can just say "whatever, no thank you" and call the next teams at 19 and 20. Or they could trade higher than Seattle and call the Falcons, Cardinals, or Bengals instead.
Agreed that QBs should net a higher return (the Bears drastically overpaid for Justin Fields in 2021) but despite how badly the media wants us to believe this is a good QB class, I'll still be surprised if any team is gaga over these players. I still can't believe that Cam Ward became the consensus number one pick. That to me is just more of an indication of how bad this QB class is.
Yes, I get that. Maybe if the Giants or Browns are looking to trade up, the optimal request would be for their 1st in 2026 and their 2nd in 2025. The first round pick of the Giants especially could be top 10, perhaps likely top 10 next year. If we are dissatisfied with Darnold, we would be set up for a QB in next year’s draft.
What I'm saying is that those teams aren't going to give up a 2026 first round pick to go from 33 to 18. So are you willing to drop from 18 to 33 for something like pick 3.65? Because that might be the high end of the offers.
Well then back to getting Banks or an edge at 18.
A lot of good thoughts. The things we need are a TE, at least one guard projected to start a nose tackle and a WR IMO.
So it frees JS to take the best player available. A tackle, FB
That reminds me of round one last year when the first 14 picks were all offensive players. It was Seattle’s dream scenario. I was hoping for 4 QBs, we got 6. The more RBs in rounds 2 and 3 the better. None for my Seahawks please! I’ll take a CB, DL or WR, OL (just one) and a TE assuming we take edge in rounds one.
Oh yeah, good reminder! I'm writing an article about the ideal first 17 picks and you're right, 2024 was like that.
I am guessing JS was focusing on defense at 18 unless his top picks were gone, and then look at a trade back. There’s good reason to believe Murphy was the number one defensive player on the Seahawks draft board last year