Who are some alternative offensive linemen I could have used for the grading system that you feel might have been better suited for those roles? Walter Jones and John Moffitt were probably the easiest ones. Although there are probably bigger OL busts than Moffitt, but from what I recall he also has a reputation for not being the greatest guy.
I like this rating system - nice practical spin on where we are at different positions. The one I wonder about is if LB is maybe closer to Bailey level. It’s such an important role in MM’s defense, and we have 2 solid starters but not an elite player there yet. Hopefully we haven’t seen the best of Tyrice yet, and I love EJ, don’t get me wrong.
But a third guy competing in this rotation could be a desire for MM. I can’t break down the snap numbers, but I thought we rotated an extra LB in the interior line frequently on 3rd downs later in the season last year? I remember seeing sets with a lot of 50s on the line. Just feels like there’s a flexibility that MM likes to use from this role, so there’s room for another young guy in the mix, at least for depth and competition.
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Pork Chop Womack is All Name - remember Mike H had several draftees with food nicknames, like Taco Wallace.
Your personal friend Kristian S and Drew N (lefty Center conversion) were another two - athletes under development, rumored, who never got their chance, unlike George Fant & JR Sweezy.
Receiver was the one that surprised me. But I totally get the reasoning. It's just that the national media seems to really be focused on the Seahawks receiving room right now, particularly with their lack of an outside threat. But honestly, I'm a little skeptical about the sheer importance of a downfield receiving specialist. Also, it seems like there are free agent veterans of that makeup available during the season every year.
SJ, do we know for a fact that Lucas's knee is still fragile/ on the edge of career ending?Seems to me he was durable enough for his games last season. What with the miracles that PT has created and what he may have accomplished in this offseason, how do we know he's still on a medical tightrope? It kinda makes a big difference given how good he was, how important tackles are and how much tension/anxiety there is over the OL. If AL is truly healed, and either Bradford, Olu or Haynes start consistently living up to their potential, JS then starts to look truthful about having faith in our current OL. Plus possibly good depth with Sundell & Laumea (just wish they were bigger.) Even with the most positive possibilities, I still would like to see a 2-4th round OL draft pick.
But how do the strengths and weaknesses of this draft weave into your scale? DT and specifically, a nose tackle (preferably in the 340 pound range) are available this year and perhaps could use a lot of help. We have ZERO nose tackles, so I would say we have an infinite need for that position. A 3-4 defense has to have a NT much more than a 4-3, at least as I understand the difference. I think we are committed to playing 3-4, but haven't entirely so far because we don't have an adequate nose tackle.
So I hope we can trade down and then take Grant in the first round. Late first round. Get a third round pick as compensation. Use that on BPA. I'm with you on the Georgia IOL guy, in fact, I'm in favor of getting both of the Georgia guys. Many have pointed out that they will have instant rapport. Fix our OL with 50 and 52.
All of those coin flips mean we can take BPA until the last couple of picks maybe. Ten rookies is a lot. If they don't think they will need that many they can move up somewhere. Or trade for next year. It's fun to have another team to root against to improve our draft pick.
Move Fant and 1/18 for a better pick. 8.5 mill for a TE that avoids contact like the plague isn't hard to replace! I see some real sleeper WRs in the later rounds ( bad system, bad QB. bad coaching etc.)
Where was the ranking for our Special Teamers? Only a small reference to Jano (side note, while “value” was odd, on other hand, a first round pick that lasted 2 decades. That’s a “win”).
I agree. Jason Hanson was a second-round pick for Detroit and played for 21 years. I would rather have picked Warren Moon or Jerry Rice, but I'm good with anybody who lasts 20 years.
The odds being what they are against the Seahawks using 1.18 for a Long Snapper, it's hard not to put a few bucks on that happening. Otherwise, a TE makes sense. There's a couple of good'n and it's a two-fer! Ya get a blocker for the run and a reciever for all those TE screen plays or to bail out Sam D. when all he can see clearly are the nose hairs of a charging DT.
Ii was having breakfast at the Commodore Hotel in Beirut where a civil war was raging. “Holy Shit” I said while reading the International Herald Tribune. “Seattle has an NFL team”. As a Seattle native, I was hooked.
If I were to throw out a first 5 picks that kind of encapsulates these needs and the order to address them in an ideal world, it might look something like this:
1.18 - RT Armand Membou, Missouri
2.50 - WR Emeka Egbuka, Ohio State
2.52 - CB Shavon Revel. Jr., Eastern Carolina
3.82 - G Jonah Savaiinaea, Arizona
3.92 - EDGE Jordan Burch, Oregon
These are probably all steals, by the way, I wouldn't necessarily expect the Seahawks to get these 5 players at these 5 spots. Just want to highlight a potential way to address these needs in a certain order. I'm also not sure if thes are the best scheme fits! But I could see a place in the short term and long term for these positions.
18: Edge - Campbell or Ezeiruaku (neither will make it to 50)
50: IOL Savainaiah (Sic), he's not always here. Donovan Jackson usually not here either. Shavon Revel has only been here about 3% of sims
52: WR/TE Jaylin Noel, or Mason Taylor, big talent drop off after this at TE (only interested on Oronde Gadsden later), all the best edges usually will be gone before next pick. I think this is the floor for an edge. Bradyn Swinson is usually here
82: BPA or CB Quincy Riley, 1 Edge, David Walker is often available here, Oronde Gadsden potentially, Kyle Williams if not WR at 50
92: BPA or RB/FB Cam Skattebo
137: Jackson Slater or another OL like Logan Brown or Jack Nelson. I'm not buying on Chase Lundt, 6'8" with 32 inch arms and only ever played tackle against lower competition.
172: CB Zah Frazier or FB Jackson Hawes if available, potential for NT Jamaree Caldwell
Unless an offensive player with a first round grade falls into his lap, I think Schneider will go for the defensive player with the most potential. The roster, the draft, and the draft position line up for that.
Membou at 18? That has never happened to me yet, to have Membou undrafted at 18. I think he rarely gets past 10. I get Warren fairly often, and the other TE half the time. I've decided there is better value in the third round at TE. Membou would certainly mess us my plan to trade down. I would have to stay and take him.
Yeah that’s why I said not to expect these picks, I just wanted to throw out a quick example together for a comment. When I try to make a better mock 5 picks for an article (if I do) I’ll definitely put more time into it and yeah you’re right, I wouldn’t choose Membou becuase he’ll be long gone.
If the Hawks don't pick a G in the first round, all of the so-called "draft experts" are going to give the Hawks a D or an F in the draft, no matter who else they pick. Because they have to be PROVEN RIGHT!
I like this pick/position distribution. It's easy to imagine a Seahawks draft board that has options at each of these positions for each pick and rearranging things as needed. If they draft an OT at 18 I could see them waiting until rounds 4 and 5 to take an IOL, however, and perhaps target a TE in the top 100 (especially if Fant is viewed as a tradable asset).
I'm only down to the first paragraph of the main article, and I'm so pumped to read the rest! SSJ is logical, analytical, level-headed, and cold-blooded, just the way a general manager has to be, and I love his approach and how it contrasts with clickbait journalism and talk show radio. OK, back to reading...
I enjoyed this a lot more than many other round-ups from other sources.
Seahawks don't *need* to take a Day 1 or Day 2 RB, WR or TE. But they will likely take at least one, maybe two if the board works out that way.
This is an extremely comfortable position to be in - needing high quality pieces in those positions without being desperate.
Which perhaps hints at the comfort with which JS would trade down from 18 if there was a meaningful offer out there to do so. It continues to offer more flexibility, ultimately.
Who are some alternative offensive linemen I could have used for the grading system that you feel might have been better suited for those roles? Walter Jones and John Moffitt were probably the easiest ones. Although there are probably bigger OL busts than Moffitt, but from what I recall he also has a reputation for not being the greatest guy.
I liked your choices, thought it worked well.
I like this rating system - nice practical spin on where we are at different positions. The one I wonder about is if LB is maybe closer to Bailey level. It’s such an important role in MM’s defense, and we have 2 solid starters but not an elite player there yet. Hopefully we haven’t seen the best of Tyrice yet, and I love EJ, don’t get me wrong.
But a third guy competing in this rotation could be a desire for MM. I can’t break down the snap numbers, but I thought we rotated an extra LB in the interior line frequently on 3rd downs later in the season last year? I remember seeing sets with a lot of 50s on the line. Just feels like there’s a flexibility that MM likes to use from this role, so there’s room for another young guy in the mix, at least for depth and competition.
Howdy folks. It appears my Visa isn't accepted by your Substack System. (Something about it being Canadian). I hope it gets fixed, as I much enjoyed the wild range of expert observations made here. I came to our Hawk's when I saw the Passion which Pete and his 2012 guys brought to the field every week. It's the same passion we played with in High School. The lessons learned went with us as friends and coworkers while Life unfolded. Because of SSJ, I better understand the huge challenge facing owners, coaches and players as they seek to maintain these roots without turning The Game into a strict corporate entertainment event. Turns out that Fans also hold an important Voice in this most noble endeavor. Seattle needs to be a place Players all want to live among. The Allen Family has done a great job in making that happen. SSJ is and will always be a daily read for me, voice or no voice.
Pork Chop Womack is All Name - remember Mike H had several draftees with food nicknames, like Taco Wallace.
Your personal friend Kristian S and Drew N (lefty Center conversion) were another two - athletes under development, rumored, who never got their chance, unlike George Fant & JR Sweezy.
Receiver was the one that surprised me. But I totally get the reasoning. It's just that the national media seems to really be focused on the Seahawks receiving room right now, particularly with their lack of an outside threat. But honestly, I'm a little skeptical about the sheer importance of a downfield receiving specialist. Also, it seems like there are free agent veterans of that makeup available during the season every year.
FYI just read from Mookie. Seahawks open to trading Howell.
SJ, do we know for a fact that Lucas's knee is still fragile/ on the edge of career ending?Seems to me he was durable enough for his games last season. What with the miracles that PT has created and what he may have accomplished in this offseason, how do we know he's still on a medical tightrope? It kinda makes a big difference given how good he was, how important tackles are and how much tension/anxiety there is over the OL. If AL is truly healed, and either Bradford, Olu or Haynes start consistently living up to their potential, JS then starts to look truthful about having faith in our current OL. Plus possibly good depth with Sundell & Laumea (just wish they were bigger.) Even with the most positive possibilities, I still would like to see a 2-4th round OL draft pick.
I definitely do not intend to make it sound like I think Abe Lucas’s career is over. I hope he plays ten more years with the Seahawks.
Sorry but Milroy is Fields v2.0 only with worse accuracy!
I definitely don’t think Jalen Milroe is going to be an NFL starting QB. Fields is better and Fields is not an NFL QB.
But how do the strengths and weaknesses of this draft weave into your scale? DT and specifically, a nose tackle (preferably in the 340 pound range) are available this year and perhaps could use a lot of help. We have ZERO nose tackles, so I would say we have an infinite need for that position. A 3-4 defense has to have a NT much more than a 4-3, at least as I understand the difference. I think we are committed to playing 3-4, but haven't entirely so far because we don't have an adequate nose tackle.
So I hope we can trade down and then take Grant in the first round. Late first round. Get a third round pick as compensation. Use that on BPA. I'm with you on the Georgia IOL guy, in fact, I'm in favor of getting both of the Georgia guys. Many have pointed out that they will have instant rapport. Fix our OL with 50 and 52.
All of those coin flips mean we can take BPA until the last couple of picks maybe. Ten rookies is a lot. If they don't think they will need that many they can move up somewhere. Or trade for next year. It's fun to have another team to root against to improve our draft pick.
It was kind of fun to root against Denver, wasn't it?
Move Fant and 1/18 for a better pick. 8.5 mill for a TE that avoids contact like the plague isn't hard to replace! I see some real sleeper WRs in the later rounds ( bad system, bad QB. bad coaching etc.)
It would be great to find out that Fant has any value but I doubt it.
Where was the ranking for our Special Teamers? Only a small reference to Jano (side note, while “value” was odd, on other hand, a first round pick that lasted 2 decades. That’s a “win”).
I decided not to include them.
I know. Just a little fun. Wasn’t really a need. Like you said, maybe some competition but now that have cap, not really a need to cut what’s solid.
Exactly. I wouldn’t hate seeing a kicker added to the roster.
I agree. Jason Hanson was a second-round pick for Detroit and played for 21 years. I would rather have picked Warren Moon or Jerry Rice, but I'm good with anybody who lasts 20 years.
Janikowski was mostly a great kicker, just nuts to take him in the first round. Even if he was more valuable than other first rounders.
The odds being what they are against the Seahawks using 1.18 for a Long Snapper, it's hard not to put a few bucks on that happening. Otherwise, a TE makes sense. There's a couple of good'n and it's a two-fer! Ya get a blocker for the run and a reciever for all those TE screen plays or to bail out Sam D. when all he can see clearly are the nose hairs of a charging DT.
They’re great odds for a reason Bob 😂
Ii was having breakfast at the Commodore Hotel in Beirut where a civil war was raging. “Holy Shit” I said while reading the International Herald Tribune. “Seattle has an NFL team”. As a Seattle native, I was hooked.
Thanks for sharing and joining the comments! I've comped you some time in the regular joes club!
What a story!
If I were to throw out a first 5 picks that kind of encapsulates these needs and the order to address them in an ideal world, it might look something like this:
1.18 - RT Armand Membou, Missouri
2.50 - WR Emeka Egbuka, Ohio State
2.52 - CB Shavon Revel. Jr., Eastern Carolina
3.82 - G Jonah Savaiinaea, Arizona
3.92 - EDGE Jordan Burch, Oregon
These are probably all steals, by the way, I wouldn't necessarily expect the Seahawks to get these 5 players at these 5 spots. Just want to highlight a potential way to address these needs in a certain order. I'm also not sure if thes are the best scheme fits! But I could see a place in the short term and long term for these positions.
My order has generally been something like this:
18: Edge - Campbell or Ezeiruaku (neither will make it to 50)
50: IOL Savainaiah (Sic), he's not always here. Donovan Jackson usually not here either. Shavon Revel has only been here about 3% of sims
52: WR/TE Jaylin Noel, or Mason Taylor, big talent drop off after this at TE (only interested on Oronde Gadsden later), all the best edges usually will be gone before next pick. I think this is the floor for an edge. Bradyn Swinson is usually here
82: BPA or CB Quincy Riley, 1 Edge, David Walker is often available here, Oronde Gadsden potentially, Kyle Williams if not WR at 50
92: BPA or RB/FB Cam Skattebo
137: Jackson Slater or another OL like Logan Brown or Jack Nelson. I'm not buying on Chase Lundt, 6'8" with 32 inch arms and only ever played tackle against lower competition.
172: CB Zah Frazier or FB Jackson Hawes if available, potential for NT Jamaree Caldwell
175: as 172
7th round NT and DaQuan Felton
All steals is right on the money.
Unless an offensive player with a first round grade falls into his lap, I think Schneider will go for the defensive player with the most potential. The roster, the draft, and the draft position line up for that.
Membou at 18? That has never happened to me yet, to have Membou undrafted at 18. I think he rarely gets past 10. I get Warren fairly often, and the other TE half the time. I've decided there is better value in the third round at TE. Membou would certainly mess us my plan to trade down. I would have to stay and take him.
Yeah that’s why I said not to expect these picks, I just wanted to throw out a quick example together for a comment. When I try to make a better mock 5 picks for an article (if I do) I’ll definitely put more time into it and yeah you’re right, I wouldn’t choose Membou becuase he’ll be long gone.
So what happens to your draft order if one of the Hawks top Edge prospect drop to 18?
I bet we would get an A+ for this one.
If the Hawks don't pick a G in the first round, all of the so-called "draft experts" are going to give the Hawks a D or an F in the draft, no matter who else they pick. Because they have to be PROVEN RIGHT!
We can put that D or F in our trophy wing of the house built by poor PNW national coverage, right next to the C+ from 2012
I like this pick/position distribution. It's easy to imagine a Seahawks draft board that has options at each of these positions for each pick and rearranging things as needed. If they draft an OT at 18 I could see them waiting until rounds 4 and 5 to take an IOL, however, and perhaps target a TE in the top 100 (especially if Fant is viewed as a tradable asset).
I'm only down to the first paragraph of the main article, and I'm so pumped to read the rest! SSJ is logical, analytical, level-headed, and cold-blooded, just the way a general manager has to be, and I love his approach and how it contrasts with clickbait journalism and talk show radio. OK, back to reading...
Thanks Ray!!
I enjoyed this a lot more than many other round-ups from other sources.
Seahawks don't *need* to take a Day 1 or Day 2 RB, WR or TE. But they will likely take at least one, maybe two if the board works out that way.
This is an extremely comfortable position to be in - needing high quality pieces in those positions without being desperate.
Which perhaps hints at the comfort with which JS would trade down from 18 if there was a meaningful offer out there to do so. It continues to offer more flexibility, ultimately.