I would be extremely happy with Richardson at 5 and beyond bummed with Carter at 5, I just have to imagine JS was thinking when he traded Wilson that he would be getting a good young QB to bring along at some point with the extra draft capital and if you really look at genos year last year it was a good first half and at best an average second half of the year, this is also why it makes so much sense to structure genos deal the way they did, also on Carter I really hope they keep the trend from last year and only draft players who love football and have great character it’s just one less thing to worry about
Great article. I just ran across a mock on 12th man rising that I found really creative and had a lot of names I hadn't considered but makes for an interesting read. Joe you will like his first pick! Here's the link. https://12thmanrising.com/posts/seahawks-2023-final-mock-draft
Can’t wait for the draft to get underway. Because I can’t take many more articles like I’ve see his morning at ESPN and CBS Sports. Lots of “new rumors” and “hot taeks” and almost no intelligent discussion.
Stay at Seaside Joe. Just stay here and ignore the rest.
I liked what Solak said about the part of the draft evaluation process that occurs behind closed doors (the interviews and character evaluation stuff) and how it makes the Carter evaluation so difficult this year for anyone that isn't part of an NFL scout team. Solak seemed to think that #5 is the earliest he could go which seems odd to me. I don't see why, given the uncertainty in the character evaluation process, he couldn't just as likely go at #2 or #3. If he is truly the best non-QB prospect in the draft, and it's not even close, then I can't feel too confident he will be an option for the Hawks at #5. Gonna have to keep my fingers crossed for a few more days (which really makes tying my shoes difficult, by the way).
What if they think, that NT canť play from year one and adress it via UFA?
I dont want them to draft Anthony Richardson (and i´m scared, they could do)
I surely want them to draft BOTH Jalen Carter and Will Anderson and because i know, it´s almost imposiible, i made my one/two options for every pick in the draft PLUS dream option DO for 1st 2nd and 3rd round picks and nightmare option NM for 1st round picks ) ..,..if it interests you, xyou can read further, if no, just jump to other comment :-)
5. Anderson/Carter (DO Bryce Young, NM Anthony Richardson)
20. Michael Mayer/Nolan Smith (DO Jaxson Smith Njigba, NM Will Levis)
37. Mazi Smith/Felix Anudike Uzomah (DO O Cyrrus Torrence)
52. Joe Tippmann/Luke Wypler (DO John Michael Schmitz)
83. Noah Sewell/Henry Tootoo (DO Zach Charbonnet)
123. Michael Wilson/Parker Washington (DO Cameron Latu)
151. Charlie Jones/Mekhi Becton (DO Kayshawn Boutte)
154. Andrew Vorhees/Jaxson Kirkland (DO Cory Trice)
197. Yaya Diaby/Bryce Ford Wheaton (DO Tyjae Spears)
BTW - doesn't anyone else see a bit of Terelle Pryor in Richardson? The 6'6" Ohio State QB who ran Very fast (4.3s) and could launch the ball 3/4 of the field...he could not go to the combine due to a tattoo scandal. This former Seahawk washed out as a QB after 3 teams tried to make an NFL signal caller out of him. He eventually was switched to WR...it was not that long ago.
Jalen Carter has talent, no doubt. What if he Never becomes pissed off to be Great? What if he never develops to be anything better than he is now? That would be a bummer. Yet, No improvement would Still make him superior to other draft options' upside.
As a player, Carter's 'floor' is John Matuzak or Brandon Mebane - His 'ceiling' is Reggie White or Cortez Kennedy. As a young man with first-time money, he buys a cool car. That car goes fast. It is fun to drive his car fast. Knuckle-headed behavior is somewhat expected from young men. At least for a phase.
I remember them saying that Cortez took plays off at Miami. They looked at his bod and claimed he was lazy and yet his quickness and technique made him a Game-wrecker. Young Jalen has excellent technique. Was he borne with it? No. He took to coaching and became better than anyone else.
So...IF the Seahawks can handle the minimum of a stronger/quicker player who only occasionally dominates, like Matuzak or Mebane with the HOF potential ala Reggie White, they will draft him. If they fear Carter's racing days are not over. If they fear a Jerome Brown situation, the Eagle's stellar DT who died at 27 in a one car crash, they may pass.
My hope is they do draft him and somehow he decides to be great...actually, I kinda expect it.
That is my prediction for the likelihood of the #5 pick; from most likely to least likely. The trade down could be combined with some of those players. I think (though there's no way to know the team's preference) this is probably the short list for the Hawks within the top 10. Can't wait to see how this shakes down!
QBs - Young is a major talent, the size thing is way too overblown (go look up who he was sacked or tackled by at 'Bama, shockingly they are all the same size and weight of NFL players, and Young was fine). Strouds "fall" is just putting him back to where he was pre-Georgia game, Top10 bet. AR continues to buck the trend, because he is exciting and everyone can easily agree his ceiling is on part with Cam and Lamar - except one of those comps went #1 overall, and one went #32 - and that's AR's range, he could go #1, he could go #32. The Mayo-Man, as long as he doens't end up in Seattle i don't care. Colts can trade to #2 to take him, he could slip to the 3rd Round, i don't care, he puts Mayo in coffee, no-one should care.
JS was hot on Allen & Mahomes - except he clearly wasn't hot enough to actually stake his career on them. Luckily for AR, Schneider doesn't have to stake his career on him. So at #5 he really could be the Seattle pick. And that's fine. We're one of the best situations for AR to come into and give him the chance to reach those MVP highs. But "We'll take AR because JS loves those traits which are similar to Allen/Mahomes" is a poor take, because we didn't take Allen or Mahomes. Our actual QB takes were very different But this is a new era and #5 can be used to swing for the fences.
Carter & Wilson vs Anderson - It's pre-draft silly season. People need clicks and impressions and views. So buck the established trends and pitch Wilson vs Anderson, people will come read and comment and so on. NFL teams are decided which they like, won't change. Same for Carter. Teams knew their views on him a month ago. He'll go Top10 because the upside is worth the risk to at least one team. But I do feel maybe JS pulls rank and goes QB at #5 over Carter. Or not. Don't care, give me Carter or AR and i'm happy and excited to be a 'Hawks fan.
Also Kenneth, you're wrong. Bijan is the safest #5 Pick. Witherspoon is third behind Young, but ahead of AR, Stroud, Anderson and Carter (not in a specific order). In fact i'd put Mayer ahead of Witherspoon as a safe pick. Because Devon is a good player, tied CB1 in this class (still highly rate Gonzalez, have done for months) but he's not a generational positional talent like Bijan and Mayer are. In a true BPA pick at #5 it's Bijan. Also just because of the crazy depth to this CB class I think the 'Hawks especially will hold off from Devon at #5, it really does fit with their record last year and overall view on Corners. I wouldn't be shocked if we took a Safety before a Corner in this draft (which could be Branch at #20 and then Brents at #37 for example). Or if Devon slips out the Top10 I could imagine Pete pushing a trade-up to try and grab him before.
Skipping WR - this is not a good WR class. We should not be drafting a WR ahead of the 5th this year. Come back next year when it'll be a better class and when we've filled in other needs which this is a good class for (IOL, DLine, TE, RB, DB).
I'm so excited for Thursday! Wednesday i'm booked into a late-night double-bill showing of Alien & Aliens at my local cinema, so i'm already going to be wiped out ahead of the Draft. By Sunday i'll be a zombie, hopefully a happy excited 'Hawks fan zombie.
No! Seriously, not AR15! You would have to put him on the active roster or someone else would snap him up. We'd have to play him but where? I don't think QB3, and the #5 pick would be happy to play out of position or on special teams. And is a two year bench warmer worth $35M in cap space? My fav guy is Bijan Robinson and that's a pretty dumb pick too, but better than Richardson.
I'm cool with Jalen Carter at 5. I'm most cool with trading back and picking up a first next year. I also want to trade Fant to an AFC contender to help secure that 1st round pick. The offensive talents I'm most hot on are: Darnell Washington at 37, AT Perry in the 3rd, and Zach Charbonnet at the bottom of the 2nd. For defense, it's: Jalen Carter in the top 10, Lukas Van Ness at 20, and Mazi Smith in the mid 2nd. I like Ade Ade if he's there and I've got an extra pick. Devon Witherspoon (top 15), Darius Rush (early 3rd), and Cory Trice (4th) make sense to me for CB.
Hmm…not sure about trading the certainty of #5 this year for the uncertainty of an R1 pick next year unless the rest of the deal is close to one they’d make anyway.
The difference between 5 and 7-14 isn't much for me. I think 5 is too early for Richardson. I'm not sold on Will Anderson's athletic profile. I think 5 is too early for Witherspoon. If Tyree Wilson ran a 4.6 at his personal pro day, I'm much more interested. I think Witherspoon, Smith-Njigba, Skoronski, Van Ness, or maybe even Jalen Carter or Anthony Richardson could be there for us after a trade back. If you can get one of those and get a first for next year, in a draft with more blue chips, I think that is the best option. If we pick up another 2nd and 1st, we could be in play for the top 2 QB next year who are better than any of the QB options at 5 this year.
Is the correct connection from "Regulate" to Carter the fact that Nate and Jalen are both Doggs (Dawgs?)
Regarding the article, I love how the topic is how you haven't changed you ideas, but then you go on in the body to describe how and why you changed [INSERT FRIENDLY LAUGH HERE]. It's a perfect example of a reasonable approach to ideas; a true scientific method approach, if you will. If the data points away from our initial hypothesis, we must adjust the hupothesis or create a new one. There is a humility in it, and in you that comes through in your writing. I find it refreshing. It is noticeably absent in most "analysis" out there.
I agree with your reasoning that a trade down may be called for, but after following your articles and your citations of Pete and John's context clues, I now chant "Stay for 'Spoon!". If in fact this is a deep class with few blue-chips, then regardless of whether he is considered one of those said blue-chips or not; if Witherspoon is someone who can make a difference for our team with tone-setting attitude as well as his skill and athleticism, then doesn't that make him a blue-chip for us? I say we're better off with one "A" player who can make our whole defense better instead of two "B-" guys who will be decent starters.
I have five players I want in round 1. In order, Jalen Carter, Bijan Robinson, Devon Witherspoon, Nolan Smith and Calijah Kancey. I don't see us getting any of those at #5 and #20, other than maybe Carter at #5. I would fucking DIE if we got two of these guys with our draft choices.
I quite enjoy following both you and Rob for draft coverage. I've been following each of you in some combination since 2018 (field gulls for you). Both of you have hit on a variety of evaluations in the past, so It's so interesting to see both of you have such different opinions on the prospects, particularly the QBs. I don't watch film so I've got no idea!
I would be extremely happy with Richardson at 5 and beyond bummed with Carter at 5, I just have to imagine JS was thinking when he traded Wilson that he would be getting a good young QB to bring along at some point with the extra draft capital and if you really look at genos year last year it was a good first half and at best an average second half of the year, this is also why it makes so much sense to structure genos deal the way they did, also on Carter I really hope they keep the trend from last year and only draft players who love football and have great character it’s just one less thing to worry about
Great article. I just ran across a mock on 12th man rising that I found really creative and had a lot of names I hadn't considered but makes for an interesting read. Joe you will like his first pick! Here's the link. https://12thmanrising.com/posts/seahawks-2023-final-mock-draft
Can’t wait for the draft to get underway. Because I can’t take many more articles like I’ve see his morning at ESPN and CBS Sports. Lots of “new rumors” and “hot taeks” and almost no intelligent discussion.
Stay at Seaside Joe. Just stay here and ignore the rest.
I liked what Solak said about the part of the draft evaluation process that occurs behind closed doors (the interviews and character evaluation stuff) and how it makes the Carter evaluation so difficult this year for anyone that isn't part of an NFL scout team. Solak seemed to think that #5 is the earliest he could go which seems odd to me. I don't see why, given the uncertainty in the character evaluation process, he couldn't just as likely go at #2 or #3. If he is truly the best non-QB prospect in the draft, and it's not even close, then I can't feel too confident he will be an option for the Hawks at #5. Gonna have to keep my fingers crossed for a few more days (which really makes tying my shoes difficult, by the way).
I agree with you. Perfectly written.
My thought are:
What if they think, that NT canť play from year one and adress it via UFA?
I dont want them to draft Anthony Richardson (and i´m scared, they could do)
I surely want them to draft BOTH Jalen Carter and Will Anderson and because i know, it´s almost imposiible, i made my one/two options for every pick in the draft PLUS dream option DO for 1st 2nd and 3rd round picks and nightmare option NM for 1st round picks ) ..,..if it interests you, xyou can read further, if no, just jump to other comment :-)
5. Anderson/Carter (DO Bryce Young, NM Anthony Richardson)
20. Michael Mayer/Nolan Smith (DO Jaxson Smith Njigba, NM Will Levis)
37. Mazi Smith/Felix Anudike Uzomah (DO O Cyrrus Torrence)
52. Joe Tippmann/Luke Wypler (DO John Michael Schmitz)
83. Noah Sewell/Henry Tootoo (DO Zach Charbonnet)
123. Michael Wilson/Parker Washington (DO Cameron Latu)
151. Charlie Jones/Mekhi Becton (DO Kayshawn Boutte)
154. Andrew Vorhees/Jaxson Kirkland (DO Cory Trice)
197. Yaya Diaby/Bryce Ford Wheaton (DO Tyjae Spears)
23x. Jake Haener/Trey Dean III (DO Ronnie Bell)
BTW - doesn't anyone else see a bit of Terelle Pryor in Richardson? The 6'6" Ohio State QB who ran Very fast (4.3s) and could launch the ball 3/4 of the field...he could not go to the combine due to a tattoo scandal. This former Seahawk washed out as a QB after 3 teams tried to make an NFL signal caller out of him. He eventually was switched to WR...it was not that long ago.
Jalen Carter has talent, no doubt. What if he Never becomes pissed off to be Great? What if he never develops to be anything better than he is now? That would be a bummer. Yet, No improvement would Still make him superior to other draft options' upside.
As a player, Carter's 'floor' is John Matuzak or Brandon Mebane - His 'ceiling' is Reggie White or Cortez Kennedy. As a young man with first-time money, he buys a cool car. That car goes fast. It is fun to drive his car fast. Knuckle-headed behavior is somewhat expected from young men. At least for a phase.
I remember them saying that Cortez took plays off at Miami. They looked at his bod and claimed he was lazy and yet his quickness and technique made him a Game-wrecker. Young Jalen has excellent technique. Was he borne with it? No. He took to coaching and became better than anyone else.
So...IF the Seahawks can handle the minimum of a stronger/quicker player who only occasionally dominates, like Matuzak or Mebane with the HOF potential ala Reggie White, they will draft him. If they fear Carter's racing days are not over. If they fear a Jerome Brown situation, the Eagle's stellar DT who died at 27 in a one car crash, they may pass.
My hope is they do draft him and somehow he decides to be great...actually, I kinda expect it.
Devon Witherspoon
Jalen Carter
Trade down
Nolan Smith
Bijan Robinson
That is my prediction for the likelihood of the #5 pick; from most likely to least likely. The trade down could be combined with some of those players. I think (though there's no way to know the team's preference) this is probably the short list for the Hawks within the top 10. Can't wait to see how this shakes down!
QBs - Young is a major talent, the size thing is way too overblown (go look up who he was sacked or tackled by at 'Bama, shockingly they are all the same size and weight of NFL players, and Young was fine). Strouds "fall" is just putting him back to where he was pre-Georgia game, Top10 bet. AR continues to buck the trend, because he is exciting and everyone can easily agree his ceiling is on part with Cam and Lamar - except one of those comps went #1 overall, and one went #32 - and that's AR's range, he could go #1, he could go #32. The Mayo-Man, as long as he doens't end up in Seattle i don't care. Colts can trade to #2 to take him, he could slip to the 3rd Round, i don't care, he puts Mayo in coffee, no-one should care.
JS was hot on Allen & Mahomes - except he clearly wasn't hot enough to actually stake his career on them. Luckily for AR, Schneider doesn't have to stake his career on him. So at #5 he really could be the Seattle pick. And that's fine. We're one of the best situations for AR to come into and give him the chance to reach those MVP highs. But "We'll take AR because JS loves those traits which are similar to Allen/Mahomes" is a poor take, because we didn't take Allen or Mahomes. Our actual QB takes were very different But this is a new era and #5 can be used to swing for the fences.
Carter & Wilson vs Anderson - It's pre-draft silly season. People need clicks and impressions and views. So buck the established trends and pitch Wilson vs Anderson, people will come read and comment and so on. NFL teams are decided which they like, won't change. Same for Carter. Teams knew their views on him a month ago. He'll go Top10 because the upside is worth the risk to at least one team. But I do feel maybe JS pulls rank and goes QB at #5 over Carter. Or not. Don't care, give me Carter or AR and i'm happy and excited to be a 'Hawks fan.
Also Kenneth, you're wrong. Bijan is the safest #5 Pick. Witherspoon is third behind Young, but ahead of AR, Stroud, Anderson and Carter (not in a specific order). In fact i'd put Mayer ahead of Witherspoon as a safe pick. Because Devon is a good player, tied CB1 in this class (still highly rate Gonzalez, have done for months) but he's not a generational positional talent like Bijan and Mayer are. In a true BPA pick at #5 it's Bijan. Also just because of the crazy depth to this CB class I think the 'Hawks especially will hold off from Devon at #5, it really does fit with their record last year and overall view on Corners. I wouldn't be shocked if we took a Safety before a Corner in this draft (which could be Branch at #20 and then Brents at #37 for example). Or if Devon slips out the Top10 I could imagine Pete pushing a trade-up to try and grab him before.
Skipping WR - this is not a good WR class. We should not be drafting a WR ahead of the 5th this year. Come back next year when it'll be a better class and when we've filled in other needs which this is a good class for (IOL, DLine, TE, RB, DB).
I'm so excited for Thursday! Wednesday i'm booked into a late-night double-bill showing of Alien & Aliens at my local cinema, so i'm already going to be wiped out ahead of the Draft. By Sunday i'll be a zombie, hopefully a happy excited 'Hawks fan zombie.
No! Seriously, not AR15! You would have to put him on the active roster or someone else would snap him up. We'd have to play him but where? I don't think QB3, and the #5 pick would be happy to play out of position or on special teams. And is a two year bench warmer worth $35M in cap space? My fav guy is Bijan Robinson and that's a pretty dumb pick too, but better than Richardson.
I'm cool with Jalen Carter at 5. I'm most cool with trading back and picking up a first next year. I also want to trade Fant to an AFC contender to help secure that 1st round pick. The offensive talents I'm most hot on are: Darnell Washington at 37, AT Perry in the 3rd, and Zach Charbonnet at the bottom of the 2nd. For defense, it's: Jalen Carter in the top 10, Lukas Van Ness at 20, and Mazi Smith in the mid 2nd. I like Ade Ade if he's there and I've got an extra pick. Devon Witherspoon (top 15), Darius Rush (early 3rd), and Cory Trice (4th) make sense to me for CB.
Hmm…not sure about trading the certainty of #5 this year for the uncertainty of an R1 pick next year unless the rest of the deal is close to one they’d make anyway.
The difference between 5 and 7-14 isn't much for me. I think 5 is too early for Richardson. I'm not sold on Will Anderson's athletic profile. I think 5 is too early for Witherspoon. If Tyree Wilson ran a 4.6 at his personal pro day, I'm much more interested. I think Witherspoon, Smith-Njigba, Skoronski, Van Ness, or maybe even Jalen Carter or Anthony Richardson could be there for us after a trade back. If you can get one of those and get a first for next year, in a draft with more blue chips, I think that is the best option. If we pick up another 2nd and 1st, we could be in play for the top 2 QB next year who are better than any of the QB options at 5 this year.
Is the correct connection from "Regulate" to Carter the fact that Nate and Jalen are both Doggs (Dawgs?)
Regarding the article, I love how the topic is how you haven't changed you ideas, but then you go on in the body to describe how and why you changed [INSERT FRIENDLY LAUGH HERE]. It's a perfect example of a reasonable approach to ideas; a true scientific method approach, if you will. If the data points away from our initial hypothesis, we must adjust the hupothesis or create a new one. There is a humility in it, and in you that comes through in your writing. I find it refreshing. It is noticeably absent in most "analysis" out there.
I agree with your reasoning that a trade down may be called for, but after following your articles and your citations of Pete and John's context clues, I now chant "Stay for 'Spoon!". If in fact this is a deep class with few blue-chips, then regardless of whether he is considered one of those said blue-chips or not; if Witherspoon is someone who can make a difference for our team with tone-setting attitude as well as his skill and athleticism, then doesn't that make him a blue-chip for us? I say we're better off with one "A" player who can make our whole defense better instead of two "B-" guys who will be decent starters.
Just putting this out there to ya for another guy's perspective on Will Levis plus some ther of his favorite players.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=582F_In7tbU
https://www.theringer.com/nfl-draft/2023/4/24/23695321/ranking-quarterbacks-2023-nfl-draft-anthony-richardson-bryce-young
Ruiz favorite QB is… Richardson. He sees Young as a small, frail Joe Burrow. He’s down on every other QB.
I am begging to comp Levis out to Locker. Tons of tangibles but lacks some critical QB skills.
I have five players I want in round 1. In order, Jalen Carter, Bijan Robinson, Devon Witherspoon, Nolan Smith and Calijah Kancey. I don't see us getting any of those at #5 and #20, other than maybe Carter at #5. I would fucking DIE if we got two of these guys with our draft choices.
I quite enjoy following both you and Rob for draft coverage. I've been following each of you in some combination since 2018 (field gulls for you). Both of you have hit on a variety of evaluations in the past, so It's so interesting to see both of you have such different opinions on the prospects, particularly the QBs. I don't watch film so I've got no idea!
Excited to see how it pans out, woo!!
I think we should try to draft the best receiver in this draft: Bijan Robinson.