If Carter and Anderson are gone and the Vikings throw you their pick at 23, 2 future firsts and Za'Darius Smith, I'd scream yes before they could even finish. That would be the fleecing of the decade for a QB3. And the Seahawks could still trade up into the teens, say like 15, bundling pick 20 with their late 2nd. You'll still get 2 first round players this year, the ammo to get a QB in 2024 or 2025 and an elite veteran contributor. That would truly be the best case scenario for the Seahawks. Realistically, I don't think the Vikings would do that move and especially not for that much. I'm not sure any of the teams that far down the board are so desperate for a QB. I think Tampa Bay at 19 is as far as you can go (and who knows what'll happen with the Ravens), at least with only one trade. But I agree with the notion that, if the blue chips are gone, the Seahawks should strongly consider trading down, maybe even multiple times. The value in this class lines up best in the mid to late 10's and if they can acquire future draft capital to prepare for a rookie QB coming in next year or the year after, I'm all for it.
We shouldn't play around with these picks. Draft Jalen Carter, and Ocyrus Torrence. That's what they should do. What they actually do could be way different. We really need defensive tackles thought. #88
Kenneth you are tripping. Pete Carol traded what he believed to be two second half of the first rounds picks for Jamal Adams. He routinely trades back from the the second half of the first round because he doesn’t believe that anyone left is a sure starter. He is not trading back with Minnesota for what well could be three second half of the first round picks.
If there are only two or three "must have" guys (which sounds reasonable) and they are all gone at #5 (which seems at least 50/50 odds), then a trade back would be ideal. But if the phones aren't ringing, I hope they pick Richardson or Levis anyway, even if he wasn't the must have QB on their list. If he's good, then great! If he's not, then don't tell anyone else and he's still got more future trade value (without having to prove himself first) than anyone else you could take at #5.
They're not that good. To be fair though, if the phones aren't ringing, the value for Richardson and/or Levis may not be there as I suggested. There's just not a lot of picks that make sense if you can't trade back. If you are forced to roll the dice, go for the biggest payout.
FOMO can drive GMs/ownership to do very stupid things with draft capital. If JSPC don't believe in the QB prospect available to them at 5 a trade down to a desperate team is very likely.
"Let’s just thought experiment for a second that the Texans decide to sign Jimmy Garoppolo and pick Will Anderson, the Cardinals pick Jalen Carter or Tyree Wilson" Why do i recognise this thought experiement? :p
Trading down has been talked about here before, and in the comments. Plenty of worthy options will be available from 20 right down into the 80's, and whilst i'd like more than the single '24 2nd of your non-QB Mock Idea we can slide from #5 a long way and come out of Rd1 with a possible offensive weapon (Bijan/Meyer) and one or two defensive starters. Ultimately i'm willing to trust in JS whatever call he makes, he's done a good job earning back that faith - just in time to blow it all with perplexing and overpaid FA moves! (or Ioannidis & good LB to double down on the rebuild)
So much depends on who goes in the first 4 picks. I’m trying to figure out this draft class. DL seems very deep to me but I understand that a lot of talented college d linemen don’t produce in the pros and certainly not right away. And we need DI players way worse than EDGE guys. LB seems shallow at the top of the draft and that’s a huge need as well. I actually hope we resign Barton if the market is what it should be.
Brett Coleman just put out a Seahawks offseason video I found pretty interesting. He didn’t take a single player I’ve been eyeing in his mock except Pitt RB Israel Abanakanda and I was almost glad because it will make me watch new players. The hard part sometimes is finding condensed games. Highlights make everyone look like top 5 prospects. Except Jalen Carter’s of course, who is one.
One thing is for sure though. Every year there are guys the media makes out to be superstars who not only fall in the draft but simply aren’t that good. Teams must have an awful lot more information than networks do, even though they whiff plenty also.
I like your ideas. I'm afraid John may be more enthralled with that QB3 than Pete, but Geno's contract makes me think they may have moved on to next years' crop of QB prospects. Personally, I'd pull the trigger on Young or Stroud but only AR15 if they have a plan to use him as an option QB ala Tasom Hill. He could also line up as WR2 opposite DK, which would offer some wild possibilities. With all the draft capital we have, if we put it all on offense in the first two rounds we could become a serious threat to force teams into a shoot out. A QB2/RB/WR@5. Bijan@20, Dawand Jones(RT)@37 and Darnel Washington(TE) @51.
Just a thought experiment. That would be a pretty powerful running team with plenty of passing possible, too. I just ran a mock where I traded down to 8 where the Texans took Carter.
20 Kancey
33 Dawand Jones
37 Darnell Washington
51 Ade Ade
65 Luke Wypler
75 Devon Achane
83 DJ Turner
104 Iosivas
122 Linebaacker
152 Jakorian Bennett (CB)
155 Moro Ojomo (DI)
196 Stetson Bennett
238 whatever, I took a HB
I could not help myself, I always take Ade Ade, future HOF. And I should have taken Bijan at 20.
Re pick 155: If Moro is as good as he looked on Saturdays, it makes no sense how long he lasts in PFF mocks. I take him criminally late every time too, because I know he’ll be there. Something tells me he’s going in the top 100.
But there are plenty of others that you can replace him with. I take positions mostly as assume John will have his own favorites. Pete has to love Stetson Bennett's backstory. Walk on who makes good. I like traits. Jakorian Bennett is fast. DJ Turner is fast. Darnell Washington is big and so is Dawand Jones. Who knows? You are absolutely correct, many won't last where I have them, others will fall further. Last year, Woolen was projected around 70 as I remember it. He went 152? or so. Pretty amazing.
PFF mock drafts drive me up the wall, though I still do them over and over like a crazy person. I don't know if they just let players I like slide more, or if I start looking into these players because they keep sliding to me and wind up liking them. But a big part of how it seems flawed is the repeatability of certain players (Meyer, Schmitz, Hooker) going early and never being at their PFF projected spot, and others (Nathaniel Dell, Moro, McBride) being the ones who routinely go a full round or three late. I wish the "randomness" feature of PFF was more... random. I often turn it up all the way and their board still mostly falls the same way.
Haha. Teams would love that. I don’t see Burrow moving but I could see it happening with similar QB in the future because of rising cost of QBs and the fact that some want ultimate power. The Chargers losing Justin Herbert wouldn’t totally shock me, but I’m not suggesting it will happen. It’s just a bad organization.
If Carter and Anderson are gone and the Vikings throw you their pick at 23, 2 future firsts and Za'Darius Smith, I'd scream yes before they could even finish. That would be the fleecing of the decade for a QB3. And the Seahawks could still trade up into the teens, say like 15, bundling pick 20 with their late 2nd. You'll still get 2 first round players this year, the ammo to get a QB in 2024 or 2025 and an elite veteran contributor. That would truly be the best case scenario for the Seahawks. Realistically, I don't think the Vikings would do that move and especially not for that much. I'm not sure any of the teams that far down the board are so desperate for a QB. I think Tampa Bay at 19 is as far as you can go (and who knows what'll happen with the Ravens), at least with only one trade. But I agree with the notion that, if the blue chips are gone, the Seahawks should strongly consider trading down, maybe even multiple times. The value in this class lines up best in the mid to late 10's and if they can acquire future draft capital to prepare for a rookie QB coming in next year or the year after, I'm all for it.
We shouldn't play around with these picks. Draft Jalen Carter, and Ocyrus Torrence. That's what they should do. What they actually do could be way different. We really need defensive tackles thought. #88
Kenneth you are tripping. Pete Carol traded what he believed to be two second half of the first rounds picks for Jamal Adams. He routinely trades back from the the second half of the first round because he doesn’t believe that anyone left is a sure starter. He is not trading back with Minnesota for what well could be three second half of the first round picks.
If there are only two or three "must have" guys (which sounds reasonable) and they are all gone at #5 (which seems at least 50/50 odds), then a trade back would be ideal. But if the phones aren't ringing, I hope they pick Richardson or Levis anyway, even if he wasn't the must have QB on their list. If he's good, then great! If he's not, then don't tell anyone else and he's still got more future trade value (without having to prove himself first) than anyone else you could take at #5.
You have got to be kidding. When is your book 'how to ruin a perfectly good football team' coming out?
They're not that good. To be fair though, if the phones aren't ringing, the value for Richardson and/or Levis may not be there as I suggested. There's just not a lot of picks that make sense if you can't trade back. If you are forced to roll the dice, go for the biggest payout.
Man, I wish Denver had lost that last game -- dammit. Will Anderson would look so good in a Seattle uni.
Verrrrrrry interesting!
FOMO can drive GMs/ownership to do very stupid things with draft capital. If JSPC don't believe in the QB prospect available to them at 5 a trade down to a desperate team is very likely.
"Let’s just thought experiment for a second that the Texans decide to sign Jimmy Garoppolo and pick Will Anderson, the Cardinals pick Jalen Carter or Tyree Wilson" Why do i recognise this thought experiement? :p
Trading down has been talked about here before, and in the comments. Plenty of worthy options will be available from 20 right down into the 80's, and whilst i'd like more than the single '24 2nd of your non-QB Mock Idea we can slide from #5 a long way and come out of Rd1 with a possible offensive weapon (Bijan/Meyer) and one or two defensive starters. Ultimately i'm willing to trust in JS whatever call he makes, he's done a good job earning back that faith - just in time to blow it all with perplexing and overpaid FA moves! (or Ioannidis & good LB to double down on the rebuild)
We need defense more than offense. Did you catch any of the games last year? Because your acting like you didnt.
So much depends on who goes in the first 4 picks. I’m trying to figure out this draft class. DL seems very deep to me but I understand that a lot of talented college d linemen don’t produce in the pros and certainly not right away. And we need DI players way worse than EDGE guys. LB seems shallow at the top of the draft and that’s a huge need as well. I actually hope we resign Barton if the market is what it should be.
Brett Coleman just put out a Seahawks offseason video I found pretty interesting. He didn’t take a single player I’ve been eyeing in his mock except Pitt RB Israel Abanakanda and I was almost glad because it will make me watch new players. The hard part sometimes is finding condensed games. Highlights make everyone look like top 5 prospects. Except Jalen Carter’s of course, who is one.
One thing is for sure though. Every year there are guys the media makes out to be superstars who not only fall in the draft but simply aren’t that good. Teams must have an awful lot more information than networks do, even though they whiff plenty also.
I like your ideas. I'm afraid John may be more enthralled with that QB3 than Pete, but Geno's contract makes me think they may have moved on to next years' crop of QB prospects. Personally, I'd pull the trigger on Young or Stroud but only AR15 if they have a plan to use him as an option QB ala Tasom Hill. He could also line up as WR2 opposite DK, which would offer some wild possibilities. With all the draft capital we have, if we put it all on offense in the first two rounds we could become a serious threat to force teams into a shoot out. A QB2/RB/WR@5. Bijan@20, Dawand Jones(RT)@37 and Darnel Washington(TE) @51.
Just a thought experiment. That would be a pretty powerful running team with plenty of passing possible, too. I just ran a mock where I traded down to 8 where the Texans took Carter.
20 Kancey
33 Dawand Jones
37 Darnell Washington
51 Ade Ade
65 Luke Wypler
75 Devon Achane
83 DJ Turner
104 Iosivas
122 Linebaacker
152 Jakorian Bennett (CB)
155 Moro Ojomo (DI)
196 Stetson Bennett
238 whatever, I took a HB
I could not help myself, I always take Ade Ade, future HOF. And I should have taken Bijan at 20.
Re pick 155: If Moro is as good as he looked on Saturdays, it makes no sense how long he lasts in PFF mocks. I take him criminally late every time too, because I know he’ll be there. Something tells me he’s going in the top 100.
But there are plenty of others that you can replace him with. I take positions mostly as assume John will have his own favorites. Pete has to love Stetson Bennett's backstory. Walk on who makes good. I like traits. Jakorian Bennett is fast. DJ Turner is fast. Darnell Washington is big and so is Dawand Jones. Who knows? You are absolutely correct, many won't last where I have them, others will fall further. Last year, Woolen was projected around 70 as I remember it. He went 152? or so. Pretty amazing.
PFF mock drafts drive me up the wall, though I still do them over and over like a crazy person. I don't know if they just let players I like slide more, or if I start looking into these players because they keep sliding to me and wind up liking them. But a big part of how it seems flawed is the repeatability of certain players (Meyer, Schmitz, Hooker) going early and never being at their PFF projected spot, and others (Nathaniel Dell, Moro, McBride) being the ones who routinely go a full round or three late. I wish the "randomness" feature of PFF was more... random. I often turn it up all the way and their board still mostly falls the same way.
Has any team you can think of traded up so they could turn around and use that high draft number to get an existing player in trade for it?
That would be lunacy. I can't see Baltimore wanting to be a part of it. ;)
🤣🤣 Baltimore??
They have a qb causing drama supposedly. I could almost see it in their situation.
Traded to get a higher pick so they could trade the pick for a veteran player? Nobody I can think of! Not in the last 30 years at least.
I would to get Joe Burrows 🏈😁
The Cincinnati of a few years ago would have probably ruined his career. But they give me hope that quick turnarounds are possible.
Haha. Teams would love that. I don’t see Burrow moving but I could see it happening with similar QB in the future because of rising cost of QBs and the fact that some want ultimate power. The Chargers losing Justin Herbert wouldn’t totally shock me, but I’m not suggesting it will happen. It’s just a bad organization.