If Carter and Anderson are gone and the Vikings throw you their pick at 23, 2 future firsts and Za'Darius Smith, I'd scream yes before they could even finish. That would be the fleecing of the decade for a QB3. And the Seahawks could still trade up into the teens, say like 15, bundling pick 20 with their late 2nd. You'll still get 2 first round players this year, the ammo to get a QB in 2024 or 2025 and an elite veteran contributor. That would truly be the best case scenario for the Seahawks. Realistically, I don't think the Vikings would do that move and especially not for that much. I'm not sure any of the teams that far down the board are so desperate for a QB. I think Tampa Bay at 19 is as far as you can go (and who knows what'll happen with the Ravens), at least with only one trade. But I agree with the notion that, if the blue chips are gone, the Seahawks should strongly consider trading down, maybe even multiple times. The value in this class lines up best in the mid to late 10's and if they can acquire future draft capital to prepare for a rookie QB coming in next year or the year after, I'm all for it.
We shouldn't play around with these picks. Draft Jalen Carter, and Ocyrus Torrence. That's what they should do. What they actually do could be way different. We really need defensive tackles thought. #88
Kenneth you are tripping. Pete Carol traded what he believed to be two second half of the first rounds picks for Jamal Adams. He routinely trades back from the the second half of the first round because he doesn’t believe that anyone left is a sure starter. He is not trading back with Minnesota for what well could be three second half of the first round picks.
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If there are only two or three "must have" guys (which sounds reasonable) and they are all gone at #5 (which seems at least 50/50 odds), then a trade back would be ideal. But if the phones aren't ringing, I hope they pick Richardson or Levis anyway, even if he wasn't the must have QB on their list. If he's good, then great! If he's not, then don't tell anyone else and he's still got more future trade value (without having to prove himself first) than anyone else you could take at #5.
FOMO can drive GMs/ownership to do very stupid things with draft capital. If JSPC don't believe in the QB prospect available to them at 5 a trade down to a desperate team is very likely.
"Let’s just thought experiment for a second that the Texans decide to sign Jimmy Garoppolo and pick Will Anderson, the Cardinals pick Jalen Carter or Tyree Wilson" Why do i recognise this thought experiement? :p
Trading down has been talked about here before, and in the comments. Plenty of worthy options will be available from 20 right down into the 80's, and whilst i'd like more than the single '24 2nd of your non-QB Mock Idea we can slide from #5 a long way and come out of Rd1 with a possible offensive weapon (Bijan/Meyer) and one or two defensive starters. Ultimately i'm willing to trust in JS whatever call he makes, he's done a good job earning back that faith - just in time to blow it all with perplexing and overpaid FA moves! (or Ioannidis & good LB to double down on the rebuild)
So much depends on who goes in the first 4 picks. I’m trying to figure out this draft class. DL seems very deep to me but I understand that a lot of talented college d linemen don’t produce in the pros and certainly not right away. And we need DI players way worse than EDGE guys. LB seems shallow at the top of the draft and that’s a huge need as well. I actually hope we resign Barton if the market is what it should be.
Brett Coleman just put out a Seahawks offseason video I found pretty interesting. He didn’t take a single player I’ve been eyeing in his mock except Pitt RB Israel Abanakanda and I was almost glad because it will make me watch new players. The hard part sometimes is finding condensed games. Highlights make everyone look like top 5 prospects. Except Jalen Carter’s of course, who is one.
One thing is for sure though. Every year there are guys the media makes out to be superstars who not only fall in the draft but simply aren’t that good. Teams must have an awful lot more information than networks do, even though they whiff plenty also.
I like your ideas. I'm afraid John may be more enthralled with that QB3 than Pete, but Geno's contract makes me think they may have moved on to next years' crop of QB prospects. Personally, I'd pull the trigger on Young or Stroud but only AR15 if they have a plan to use him as an option QB ala Tasom Hill. He could also line up as WR2 opposite DK, which would offer some wild possibilities. With all the draft capital we have, if we put it all on offense in the first two rounds we could become a serious threat to force teams into a shoot out. A QB2/RB/WR@5. Bijan@20, Dawand Jones(RT)@37 and Darnel Washington(TE) @51.
Just a thought experiment. That would be a pretty powerful running team with plenty of passing possible, too. I just ran a mock where I traded down to 8 where the Texans took Carter.
20 Kancey
33 Dawand Jones
37 Darnell Washington
51 Ade Ade
65 Luke Wypler
75 Devon Achane
83 DJ Turner
104 Iosivas
122 Linebaacker
152 Jakorian Bennett (CB)
155 Moro Ojomo (DI)
196 Stetson Bennett
238 whatever, I took a HB
I could not help myself, I always take Ade Ade, future HOF. And I should have taken Bijan at 20.
If Carter and Anderson are gone and the Vikings throw you their pick at 23, 2 future firsts and Za'Darius Smith, I'd scream yes before they could even finish. That would be the fleecing of the decade for a QB3. And the Seahawks could still trade up into the teens, say like 15, bundling pick 20 with their late 2nd. You'll still get 2 first round players this year, the ammo to get a QB in 2024 or 2025 and an elite veteran contributor. That would truly be the best case scenario for the Seahawks. Realistically, I don't think the Vikings would do that move and especially not for that much. I'm not sure any of the teams that far down the board are so desperate for a QB. I think Tampa Bay at 19 is as far as you can go (and who knows what'll happen with the Ravens), at least with only one trade. But I agree with the notion that, if the blue chips are gone, the Seahawks should strongly consider trading down, maybe even multiple times. The value in this class lines up best in the mid to late 10's and if they can acquire future draft capital to prepare for a rookie QB coming in next year or the year after, I'm all for it.
We shouldn't play around with these picks. Draft Jalen Carter, and Ocyrus Torrence. That's what they should do. What they actually do could be way different. We really need defensive tackles thought. #88
Kenneth you are tripping. Pete Carol traded what he believed to be two second half of the first rounds picks for Jamal Adams. He routinely trades back from the the second half of the first round because he doesn’t believe that anyone left is a sure starter. He is not trading back with Minnesota for what well could be three second half of the first round picks.
If there are only two or three "must have" guys (which sounds reasonable) and they are all gone at #5 (which seems at least 50/50 odds), then a trade back would be ideal. But if the phones aren't ringing, I hope they pick Richardson or Levis anyway, even if he wasn't the must have QB on their list. If he's good, then great! If he's not, then don't tell anyone else and he's still got more future trade value (without having to prove himself first) than anyone else you could take at #5.
Man, I wish Denver had lost that last game -- dammit. Will Anderson would look so good in a Seattle uni.
Verrrrrrry interesting!
FOMO can drive GMs/ownership to do very stupid things with draft capital. If JSPC don't believe in the QB prospect available to them at 5 a trade down to a desperate team is very likely.
"Let’s just thought experiment for a second that the Texans decide to sign Jimmy Garoppolo and pick Will Anderson, the Cardinals pick Jalen Carter or Tyree Wilson" Why do i recognise this thought experiement? :p
Trading down has been talked about here before, and in the comments. Plenty of worthy options will be available from 20 right down into the 80's, and whilst i'd like more than the single '24 2nd of your non-QB Mock Idea we can slide from #5 a long way and come out of Rd1 with a possible offensive weapon (Bijan/Meyer) and one or two defensive starters. Ultimately i'm willing to trust in JS whatever call he makes, he's done a good job earning back that faith - just in time to blow it all with perplexing and overpaid FA moves! (or Ioannidis & good LB to double down on the rebuild)
So much depends on who goes in the first 4 picks. I’m trying to figure out this draft class. DL seems very deep to me but I understand that a lot of talented college d linemen don’t produce in the pros and certainly not right away. And we need DI players way worse than EDGE guys. LB seems shallow at the top of the draft and that’s a huge need as well. I actually hope we resign Barton if the market is what it should be.
Brett Coleman just put out a Seahawks offseason video I found pretty interesting. He didn’t take a single player I’ve been eyeing in his mock except Pitt RB Israel Abanakanda and I was almost glad because it will make me watch new players. The hard part sometimes is finding condensed games. Highlights make everyone look like top 5 prospects. Except Jalen Carter’s of course, who is one.
One thing is for sure though. Every year there are guys the media makes out to be superstars who not only fall in the draft but simply aren’t that good. Teams must have an awful lot more information than networks do, even though they whiff plenty also.
I like your ideas. I'm afraid John may be more enthralled with that QB3 than Pete, but Geno's contract makes me think they may have moved on to next years' crop of QB prospects. Personally, I'd pull the trigger on Young or Stroud but only AR15 if they have a plan to use him as an option QB ala Tasom Hill. He could also line up as WR2 opposite DK, which would offer some wild possibilities. With all the draft capital we have, if we put it all on offense in the first two rounds we could become a serious threat to force teams into a shoot out. A QB2/RB/WR@5. Bijan@20, Dawand Jones(RT)@37 and Darnel Washington(TE) @51.
Just a thought experiment. That would be a pretty powerful running team with plenty of passing possible, too. I just ran a mock where I traded down to 8 where the Texans took Carter.
20 Kancey
33 Dawand Jones
37 Darnell Washington
51 Ade Ade
65 Luke Wypler
75 Devon Achane
83 DJ Turner
104 Iosivas
122 Linebaacker
152 Jakorian Bennett (CB)
155 Moro Ojomo (DI)
196 Stetson Bennett
238 whatever, I took a HB
I could not help myself, I always take Ade Ade, future HOF. And I should have taken Bijan at 20.
Has any team you can think of traded up so they could turn around and use that high draft number to get an existing player in trade for it?