Spoon over Woolen. Charbs over Walker. We can't pay both in either scenario, so we'll have to choose one or the other (I think). Bryant I can see getting on a reasonable deal, but no where near top of market. Teams need to make choices, and 'we'll sign everyone' is not a reasonable expectation.
I would have wagered Coby would be the most likely next extension before I read this article. He's not a superstar, but wouldn't be paid like one and he seems to have some room to develop still.
I love Walker when he's on the field, but I'm not sure he's ever going to be durable. Rashaad Penny probably broke me, but what will be interesting is whether or not he broke Schnieder.
*I* wouldn't extend Woolen yet, but I am slow to fogive guys who tackle far worse than Aaron Rodgers when someone is returning an INT (not a total diss, I saw Rodgers lay some wood a couple of times in his career). He's just so quick and fast, long and athletic, and I had such high hopes during his rookie season that he would be an All Pro, and then I watched him look like Tyler Lockett when it came time to make contact. Not to mention multiple reports of him not always having his head in the game.
I'm bummed that 'Chenna is out for Sunday. I was hoping he might be the X factor people had forgotten about. Special teams will miss Bobo AND Young. Wow that stinks. I hope the X factor doesn't wind up being our poor coverage units.
With you all the way and in SJs prior polls on this that’s how I leaned. Coby I think is worth a bunch after seeing his growth. Having that deep guy who is smart, quick, and can tackle (ET if not the ET crushing blows) gives the defense a lot more freedom. NT taking up multiple blockers. FS fast enough to own the whole deep field, frees up the other 9 to scheme. Love Abe signed. Hope that’s also a representation of the doctors thoughts on his knee too. Lastly, yes really sucks 2 critical ST players out. I was so looking forward to seeing ST improvement. Now it’s a concern.
Coby is an interesting case. He and Love seem so similar. They're built like free safeties, but have both played plenty of strong safety and nickel (though not as well). Their versatility makes them almost interchangeable, and having them both on the field together makes our defense less predictable. Emmanwori is a totally different kind of athlete with, for now, a different role to play. It seems like MM wants to have three starting safeties to run his defensive, so maybe this is a case where the Seahawks will buck the trends seen elsewhere in the league.
I think Coby is worth re-signing as successfully playing 3 safety sets against the run is super powerful if you can do it & I don't think he will be asking for pro bowler money. However, the idea that he was our starting nickel three years ago & was really good at it and now he would be 3rd on the depth chart, is kind of crazy when you think about it. This defense has changed so much in such a short amount of time.
I'll always liked Coby and hope it works out. Even when he's struggled in coverage or with his consistency, he's had a knack for making big plays. He just keeps getting better, and you hate to lose a guy that you know hasn't plateaued yet.
I think there is a significant difference between Abe & Ken's injury histories. Abe's injury is the same injury & a single event that impacted two seasons.
Ken has had a hernia, oblique strain, calf & various ankle issues in his 4 years.
Seattle apparently feels confidant that the ONE thing holding Abe back is addressed.
Meanwhile, the multitude of issues with Ken are ongoing.
I want to sneak in here and say we are going to be awed with what K9 unleashes when he has effective blocking working for him. His injuries are a direct result of the lack of blocking in these last few years. I'm seeing at least one rushing TD and I'm being conservative. Slow down, Son, let the Defense rest...
Man I’m so glad you posted the Yards Before Contact difference between Cook and Walker.
If you take that 0.9 and apply it to all of Cook’s carries, that’s an addl 480 yds for Walker. Which would take him to 3007 yds or slightly over 5 yds/carry. Higher than Cook without even applying it to all of Walker’s carries (which you could do). Seems the best way to offset Cook’s advantages of playing behind a better OL and alongside an MVP-caliber dual-threat QB.
But perhaps some context on what a 5ypc achievement would be. Thanks to our friends at ChatGPT, pro football reference and ESPN, here’s the list of RB’s with 5+ ypc since 2022, with at least 450 carries (150 carries/yr prob means #1 back but is arbitrary:
5.0 or more: Kenneth Walker w/Cook’s yds before contact
4.9 McCaffrey
Cook
4.8 Henry
Barkley
Aaron Jones
4.7. Conner
Bijay Robinson
4.6 Breece Hall
Jonathan Taylor
4.5. Kyren Williams
4.4. Tony Pollard
Chuba Hubbard
D’Andre Swift
Tyler Allgeier
4.3. Josh Jacobs
David Montgomery
Rhamondre Stevenson
Devin Singletary
4.2. Travis Etienne
Kenneth Walker actual
4.1. Brian Robinson
4.0. Joe Mixon
Alvin Kamara.
Could equalize all these guys for 2.7 yards before contact I guess but regardless, you’d argue SIGN WALKER III bc the risks are very high he’ll do better than his career avg and there are some expensive names above him.
@SSJ RE your RE to my RE: meh...
Spoon over Woolen. Charbs over Walker. We can't pay both in either scenario, so we'll have to choose one or the other (I think). Bryant I can see getting on a reasonable deal, but no where near top of market. Teams need to make choices, and 'we'll sign everyone' is not a reasonable expectation.
I would have wagered Coby would be the most likely next extension before I read this article. He's not a superstar, but wouldn't be paid like one and he seems to have some room to develop still.
I love Walker when he's on the field, but I'm not sure he's ever going to be durable. Rashaad Penny probably broke me, but what will be interesting is whether or not he broke Schnieder.
*I* wouldn't extend Woolen yet, but I am slow to fogive guys who tackle far worse than Aaron Rodgers when someone is returning an INT (not a total diss, I saw Rodgers lay some wood a couple of times in his career). He's just so quick and fast, long and athletic, and I had such high hopes during his rookie season that he would be an All Pro, and then I watched him look like Tyler Lockett when it came time to make contact. Not to mention multiple reports of him not always having his head in the game.
I'm bummed that 'Chenna is out for Sunday. I was hoping he might be the X factor people had forgotten about. Special teams will miss Bobo AND Young. Wow that stinks. I hope the X factor doesn't wind up being our poor coverage units.
Agree on Woolen. I am troubled for why he had to be sat out for a game.
With you all the way and in SJs prior polls on this that’s how I leaned. Coby I think is worth a bunch after seeing his growth. Having that deep guy who is smart, quick, and can tackle (ET if not the ET crushing blows) gives the defense a lot more freedom. NT taking up multiple blockers. FS fast enough to own the whole deep field, frees up the other 9 to scheme. Love Abe signed. Hope that’s also a representation of the doctors thoughts on his knee too. Lastly, yes really sucks 2 critical ST players out. I was so looking forward to seeing ST improvement. Now it’s a concern.
I have the same concern with special teams missing two of our best coverage/effort guys. Let's avoid punting in this one and just focus on kickoffs.
Coby is an interesting case. He and Love seem so similar. They're built like free safeties, but have both played plenty of strong safety and nickel (though not as well). Their versatility makes them almost interchangeable, and having them both on the field together makes our defense less predictable. Emmanwori is a totally different kind of athlete with, for now, a different role to play. It seems like MM wants to have three starting safeties to run his defensive, so maybe this is a case where the Seahawks will buck the trends seen elsewhere in the league.
Love that Coby always is looking to get PHYSICAL in a hat-tip to our LOB kind of way. Keep it going, Cobe!
Love it. Just posted similar above in response to Chuck.
I think Coby is worth re-signing as successfully playing 3 safety sets against the run is super powerful if you can do it & I don't think he will be asking for pro bowler money. However, the idea that he was our starting nickel three years ago & was really good at it and now he would be 3rd on the depth chart, is kind of crazy when you think about it. This defense has changed so much in such a short amount of time.
I'll always liked Coby and hope it works out. Even when he's struggled in coverage or with his consistency, he's had a knack for making big plays. He just keeps getting better, and you hate to lose a guy that you know hasn't plateaued yet.
I think there is a significant difference between Abe & Ken's injury histories. Abe's injury is the same injury & a single event that impacted two seasons.
Ken has had a hernia, oblique strain, calf & various ankle issues in his 4 years.
Seattle apparently feels confidant that the ONE thing holding Abe back is addressed.
Meanwhile, the multitude of issues with Ken are ongoing.
I want to sneak in here and say we are going to be awed with what K9 unleashes when he has effective blocking working for him. His injuries are a direct result of the lack of blocking in these last few years. I'm seeing at least one rushing TD and I'm being conservative. Slow down, Son, let the Defense rest...
Man I’m so glad you posted the Yards Before Contact difference between Cook and Walker.
If you take that 0.9 and apply it to all of Cook’s carries, that’s an addl 480 yds for Walker. Which would take him to 3007 yds or slightly over 5 yds/carry. Higher than Cook without even applying it to all of Walker’s carries (which you could do). Seems the best way to offset Cook’s advantages of playing behind a better OL and alongside an MVP-caliber dual-threat QB.
But perhaps some context on what a 5ypc achievement would be. Thanks to our friends at ChatGPT, pro football reference and ESPN, here’s the list of RB’s with 5+ ypc since 2022, with at least 450 carries (150 carries/yr prob means #1 back but is arbitrary:
5.0 or more: Kenneth Walker w/Cook’s yds before contact
4.9 McCaffrey
Cook
4.8 Henry
Barkley
Aaron Jones
4.7. Conner
Bijay Robinson
4.6 Breece Hall
Jonathan Taylor
4.5. Kyren Williams
4.4. Tony Pollard
Chuba Hubbard
D’Andre Swift
Tyler Allgeier
4.3. Josh Jacobs
David Montgomery
Rhamondre Stevenson
Devin Singletary
4.2. Travis Etienne
Kenneth Walker actual
4.1. Brian Robinson
4.0. Joe Mixon
Alvin Kamara.
Could equalize all these guys for 2.7 yards before contact I guess but regardless, you’d argue SIGN WALKER III bc the risks are very high he’ll do better than his career avg and there are some expensive names above him.
Plus, once a running back gets a head-of-steam going he's much harder to bring down with all of that momentum. K-9 + Go Big Mo !
Don't forget Cody White
Bobo and Young are both out? Lots of short passes to the TEs and RBs. Maybe Tory Horton gets a game ball?
Maybe Arroyo takes some snaps as an X wide out.