I look for Charbonnet to have a throwback role a la Walt Garrison and Rocky Bleier. Neither were a featured back; both were integral to the success of a couple of pretty good offenses. Garrison was a notably effective receiver out of the backfield.
Re position value, RBs are drafted lower more because of their short careers than the rise of the passing game. Because they tend to be the offensive position most prepared for immediate success, I predict that their position value will increase because of what I call the Quinnen Williams Effect. The QWE says that—because of the ever increasing complexity and speed of the game—players at certain premium draft positions are taking longer to develop. Teams will start asking themselves “Are we better off drafting a DL with admittedly impressive traits but who will take three years to develop or a big time RB who can make a difference right away?”
It’s no accident that two RBs went in the top twelve. There’s every chance in the world that Detroit fans will be happier sooner with Jahmyr Gibbs than Packer fans ever are with Lukas Van Ness.
Walt Garrison career stats (ignore the fumbles—it was a different game):
If I had to bet, I would say Bradford starts before Olu, but only because Pete is known for preferring a vet at center. But, Olu has a repuation as a very smart guy and he may be the exception to Pete's vet rule.
After more research on the Center (Olu) they drafted, it appears to be a great pick! Just really glad they addressed it. All in all it seems they did a great job in the draft!
Charbonnet will be a good test of Schneider's eye for talent. The consensus seems to be that he was overdrafted somewhat, though not necessarily a lot, and that similarly talented backs could have been had in later rounds. That was also the consensus about Penny, though there the consensus was that he was taken at least two rounds too soon. Injuries proved that true but we saw what he could do when healthy, which bore out Schneider's reasons for taking him with the 27th pick of the first round in 2018.
When you think about it, projecting a player’s worth by round is arbitrary since the number of rounds is a function of the number of teams. If there were twenty teams, Penny would have been a second-round pick. The range in which a player was taken says more about him than the round.
This is just me (FWIW, in other words), but I tend to ignore the consensus view of RBs because I flat out don’t buy the “running backs don’t matter” stuff. Penny has feet that you just don’t see even at the pro level. His appeal was obvious to actual GMs and coaches.
This is a great draft class, to go along with 2022. Health permitting, they all have the potential to make an impact, some (like JSN, Spoon, Charbs, and Hall) a *significant* impact, on the team's success in 2023.
And the beauty of Olu Olu is that it gives the Seahawks the flexibility to push Brown into a G position if Bradford struggels or, injuries.
Maybe I am a mcold guy but I see a Csonka, Kiick and Mercury Morris backfield.I was impressed with the Ken McIntosh highlights. Heck he looked like a wide receiver out there. Call me mcsilly. Go Seahawks!
Amen, they gave Geno everything he needs to be successful . No more unblocked pass rush up the middle a great reciever and running back room and no excuses for less than top 10 QB performance!!
I was thinking this exact thought also lol. "Back in the day" it was not unusual to have multiple talented RBs and the Seahawks have set themselves up for the best RB room in the league.
Combine Numbers 40 time ss 3c
Oluwatimi 5.38 4.68 7.58
Evan Brown 5.03 4.46 7.87
There were two centers in top 15 with comparable slow 40 times according to PFF
Ben Jones 5.44 4.74 7.95
Ted Karras 5.34 4.70 8.15
Both of these guys were in the league at least 3 years before being converted to center.
Anthony Bradford 5.08 4.80 7.84 332 lbs
Phil Haynes 5.20 4.95 7.76 322 lbs
There were 7 guards ranked in top 30 according to PFF that weighed 330 lbs or more
Phil Haynes ranked 56
Michael Onwenu 5.61
Kevin Zeitler 5.39
Damien Lewis 5.24
Robert Hunt 5.30
Landon Dickerson 5.44
Quenton Nelson 5.23
Will Hernandez 5.15
Unlikely that Oluwatimi as rookie will start over Brown this year but I like Bradfords odds to unseat Phil Haynes, only based on numbers of course.
Sorry Chuck I only use my superpowers for good now. I wish all 12s the best of life and a great football season to all. Go Seahawks!
Oluwatimi
I look for Charbonnet to have a throwback role a la Walt Garrison and Rocky Bleier. Neither were a featured back; both were integral to the success of a couple of pretty good offenses. Garrison was a notably effective receiver out of the backfield.
Re position value, RBs are drafted lower more because of their short careers than the rise of the passing game. Because they tend to be the offensive position most prepared for immediate success, I predict that their position value will increase because of what I call the Quinnen Williams Effect. The QWE says that—because of the ever increasing complexity and speed of the game—players at certain premium draft positions are taking longer to develop. Teams will start asking themselves “Are we better off drafting a DL with admittedly impressive traits but who will take three years to develop or a big time RB who can make a difference right away?”
It’s no accident that two RBs went in the top twelve. There’s every chance in the world that Detroit fans will be happier sooner with Jahmyr Gibbs than Packer fans ever are with Lukas Van Ness.
Walt Garrison career stats (ignore the fumbles—it was a different game):
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/G/GarrWa00.htm
Both at the same time!
If I had to bet, I would say Bradford starts before Olu, but only because Pete is known for preferring a vet at center. But, Olu has a repuation as a very smart guy and he may be the exception to Pete's vet rule.
After more research on the Center (Olu) they drafted, it appears to be a great pick! Just really glad they addressed it. All in all it seems they did a great job in the draft!
Charbonnet will be a good test of Schneider's eye for talent. The consensus seems to be that he was overdrafted somewhat, though not necessarily a lot, and that similarly talented backs could have been had in later rounds. That was also the consensus about Penny, though there the consensus was that he was taken at least two rounds too soon. Injuries proved that true but we saw what he could do when healthy, which bore out Schneider's reasons for taking him with the 27th pick of the first round in 2018.
When you think about it, projecting a player’s worth by round is arbitrary since the number of rounds is a function of the number of teams. If there were twenty teams, Penny would have been a second-round pick. The range in which a player was taken says more about him than the round.
This is just me (FWIW, in other words), but I tend to ignore the consensus view of RBs because I flat out don’t buy the “running backs don’t matter” stuff. Penny has feet that you just don’t see even at the pro level. His appeal was obvious to actual GMs and coaches.
I am hoping so and keeping my fingers crossed for no injuries. I don’t want to see any players hurt but I did wish for turf toe on Tom Brady once.
Feel free to wish turf toe on me any time!
And then he married a supermodel and went on to win 6 or 7 Super Bowls.
This is a great draft class, to go along with 2022. Health permitting, they all have the potential to make an impact, some (like JSN, Spoon, Charbs, and Hall) a *significant* impact, on the team's success in 2023.
And the beauty of Olu Olu is that it gives the Seahawks the flexibility to push Brown into a G position if Bradford struggels or, injuries.
Maybe I am a mcold guy but I see a Csonka, Kiick and Mercury Morris backfield.I was impressed with the Ken McIntosh highlights. Heck he looked like a wide receiver out there. Call me mcsilly. Go Seahawks!
Amen, they gave Geno everything he needs to be successful . No more unblocked pass rush up the middle a great reciever and running back room and no excuses for less than top 10 QB performance!!
I was thinking this exact thought also lol. "Back in the day" it was not unusual to have multiple talented RBs and the Seahawks have set themselves up for the best RB room in the league.
With a 3 back set, the D never knows where everybody's going until the snap! Confusion is good!