I gave the Geno signing an A because it's such an incredibly team friendly deal. Though I love the Dre’Mont Jones signing, I gave it a B because paying a guy full freight involves risk. He may get injured; he may not play to expectations. But I've no problem with the decision to sign him. That will hold if he gets injured or under-performs because John and Pete don't have crystal balls. Fortunately, it takes nothing more than ordinary balls to manage a football team.
I have been trying to figure out how I want to evaluate the Jones signing. On paper it's great but like you say, we haven't had the chance for any results yet so who knows. So do I give it a grade based on potential? His previous results? Or strictly on the contract structure and how it affects the team if he either does amazing (good value?) or bombs (are we stuck with a big contract and no way out?)
It's a huge calculated risk. With the odds stacked very much against you when there's a fan base like ours that accepts nothing less than success at the highest level. Evaluating whether it was a smart move is above my pay grade. I don't know enough about football to evaluate fairly.
Every GM gets some right and some wrong. If we look backward over time, clearly some acquisitions and trades have been better than others. Overall, the Hawks have done significantly better than most teams. Which is pretty much the best one can reasonably hope for. If, by some miracle, we draft the next Tom Brady and win a bunch of Superbowls and get spoiled out of our minds, great. I'm not holding my breath. Takes a lot of luck. Right now, I'd say the Chiefs seem to do the best, overall, from year to year but I say it not because they have Mahomes or won the Superbowl. I think their 2021 draft class was excellent, as was ours. They make a lot of smart moves, though they too get some right and some wrong.
We gotta come up with some formula that shows the value of free agent signings here so Kenneth can have his OWN secret Seaside proprietary formula that he won't tell anyone but assures us it's the best (Jerry, the best!)
What it does say to the fans, the rest of the 'Hawks players, and league at large is "We know what was wrong with our team last year. We are going to fix that now. We are going to compete seriously. We are going to compete now". The value of that message is significant even before Jones plays a single snap.
Jones is a top end talent, and the 'Hawks paid up. Other top end talent pays attention to that. Players looking to make the playoffs will pay attention to that. All helps build up the team. And if Jones flops, that message is still there and effective. Helps bump up the grade.
I hope Adam’s plays more snaps but suspect that it will be Love. The injuries are piling up for Adams. It is one thing to come back from a single major injury but there are not a lot of players that come back from multiple major injuries.
I have to agree, and most injuries take a game or two to come back from, but major injuries, just like Diggs, he wasn't back 100% until half way through the season. As long as Adams has been out, plus his fused fingers, and apparently a shoulder that may be fragile. It all adds up to the Seahawks move on as soon as is to their benefit. Maybe they will give it one more try, but he seems like it must be over, otherwise.
I voted Love would play more snaps. It seems Adams has a ways to go in his recovery and hasn’t been able to stay healthy. If he’s not able to make a significant contribution this year then his contract just doesn’t make sense and I think he gets cut.
With the TE class as it is this year I think giving Fant his 5th year option was a mistake based on his production. We could get one of the three great tight ends (Kincaid) who is a much better blocker than Fant and just as good of a receiver at 20 for half the price of Fant at 7M.
Having gone to UofU and watching all their games since he was signed I think Kincaid is a beast. He is a fantastic blocker and once Utah's best TE went down at the beginning of the year Kincaid blew up. I'm betting Kuithe will go as high or higher than Kincaid because he catches everything but he can't block as well.
They may have done it to potentially use him as a trade piece, either straight up for picks or to add into a trade. I also wouldn't be surprised if they looked at the TEs available through FA and the draft and didn't see anyone that would outproduce Fant this coming season, in addition to the Dissly Durability Dilemma.
Depending on who we draft, Dissly's durability, and Parkinson's level of play, Fant could be anything from #3 receiving option to bench warmer in our 2023 offense. It's a strong but uncertain position group for us. Fant is expensive insurance for us right now, and I could totally see him as mid-season trade if he becomes redundant in our offense.
I think Parkinson is going to be here awhile as he just seems to get better every year. We knew he was a project when we got him and the more PT he gets the better he will get. Dissly can catch just about everything and blocks really well but I think Kincaid and Mayer are better blockers than him. A seven million dollar insurance policy seems a bit much. If he lights it up the first half of the year I hope we trade him but I don't think anyone will want him without a longer contract in place. Fant is best dealt before the season for that issue alone
I want to get an elite blocker for TE. Parkinson was making some great blocks during the season and seemed to improve as the season progressed. I with you on keeping him. I like Darnell Washington because he is an elite blocker. Did you see the sled thing for TE's at the combine? Everyone struggled to push the sled more than a few feet, but Washington walked the sled back like he was mowing the lawn. And he can catch.
I have visions of Darnell Washington lined up as the third down back in the backfield for pass protection and occasionally running it or catching a pass out of the backfield.
I will remain optimistic about Adams until he's no longer on the team. I voted he'd play more snaps simply because if he's the same guy he was and can stay healthy all year (remember, I'm optimistic) then he never comes off the field. He's a safety on running downs and a LB on passing downs. He's the best pass rushing DB in the NFL. He has a role in every defensive situation. If he can just stay on the field then we will all be super gruntled!
I know for me a big part of the Evan Brown vote is that he can shift to G, so by drafting a C at #52 we give ourselves the most flexiblity. I trust Brown could easily be our starter and an improvement over Blythe (low bar, but it's what it is), but with the 1-year nature of the deal and being far from long term solved at G why not explore the options and cover yourself in case of injury.
This does also include room to draft outside of Rd2 and to draft G's instead of C's. JS made a good deal and again has just set up the draft to come to us (well, we do have a glaring gap at DT now). Beef up the trenches some more JS!
Plus Brown was blocked by Ragnow who is one of the best centers in the game right now but apparently did alright when Frank got hurt, so I'm curious to see how he does for us.
It is uncommon for a defensive lineman or nose tackle to make a significant impact during their rookie season. Jordan Davis was a highly sought-after interior lineman from Georgia in the 2022 draft. By all accounts, he acquitted himself adequately in his first season. When the Eagles begain to sense they had a great chance to win the Super Bowl, they signed Ndamukobg Suh mid -season to beef up that part of their defense. Jordan played slightly under 50% of their defensive snaps during the regular season. Those totals shrunk somewhat further in the playoffs, as Suh became the starter. I am not sure how happy Hawks fans are that J Reed is coming back. I for one think it is a move in the right direction. Dremont Jones has not played a snap in Seattle yet, I feel he will be a significant upgrade to our interior run and pass defense. As far as his salary is concerned, I think he slots in about right, because of his proven ability, talent, and being a 3 down player in the engine room. Seattle may still see Pona Ford as part of their rotation at much less money. It will take some time before we know the answer to that question. I believe we still need one more steady pro even if we do select Jalen Carter. My main reasoning being I believe most sports are controlled by the middle of the field, the ice or court, and we can never have enough depth in that area. I am uncertain why so many Seahawk fans are not optimistic about the 26 year old Dremont Jones. From what I have read and watched researching Jones, run defense is his strength and he averaged six sacs a year over the last three seasons. I could be wrong in my assessment but surely it will be better than watching the Raiders pile up 300 yards rushing. That frustrated me can you imagine how Pete felt.
A quick note I got a chance to listen to Gino in an hour long podcast done just before the Super Bowl. I learned much about how talented an artist he is and how bright he was in the classroom. If we do take a rookie QB, Gino will be a great mentor and has said that he would help any young buck as much as he can. Good for you Gino, great to hear.
That DL's don't make a significant impact as rookies is why they are going to look long and hard at Carter, assuming he is available at #5. He appears to be the on interior defensive lineman in the entire with the ability to hit the ground running. And Pete is going to want that pick to contribute right away.
If Carter interviews well and checks out with his coaches, taking him is a no-brainer. The wild card is Richardson. If he’s available and PCJS are high on him, they might go that way. I doubt that they have any expectation of drafting Levis.
I also like the Jones signing and am happy to see Reed back with the Hawks. He knows the culture, and will contribute in ways that can’t easily be measured by stats.
I voted that Love would play more snaps - it sure seems like they got him to fill that Adams role but with better coverage skills. Obviously don’t know what it means for Adams’s future on the team but I still doubt they’ll cut him unless/until he gets hurt again.
Dang, disappointed to see Al Woods go, but he was getting up there in age, especially for his position. He was our only player who could eat up blockers on our line last season, even if only 1/3 downs he could play.
After these moves I’m becoming more and more convinced our first 2 picks will be DT and ILB. If we hit on those, and find a way to pick up another run stuffer (Reed alone isn’t enough and rookie DTs have a hard time holding up against the run), we may have a decent defense.
I think Adams’ career is likely over. He basically hasn’t played since getting paid, and even if he has the fire to come back, will the body be able after so long not being an elite athlete? Yet another wild swing and miss from PCJS. Good thing they have some out of the park grand slams to make up for it haha.
By releasing Woods we have basically told everyone that we are taking a large man up front to plug the middle of a 3-4 in the draft. That position is the most important position on the D line in a 3-4 because they need to two gap and take double teams every play. You need someone that won't be moved off of their position. I like Ika or Mazi for this job. We absolutely need to draft a huge guy in the middle or people will run all over us.
Would anyone else think trading with the Eagles for Jordan at 20 would be a good idea? I do
Until Woods signs with someone else, I am hoping this is just temporary. Maybe they will resign him with incentives that will count towards next years' cap. They must have a plan.
I wonder how often that has happened to the Seahawks compared to other teams? Penny and Adams both had no injury history until the Seahawks; I remember Unger being hurt a lot until we traded him to the Saints... I'm trying to think of other players that had their injury luck completely change after either joining or leaving the Seahawks. I don't think it'll be a Seattle curse or anything, more likely it's because the Seahawks are the only team I follow and big things were expected out of those guys and cost some draft capital.
I only read the headline, but even with the Adams injury last season, the Seahawks has fewer injuries than average. And over the years, we have had plenty of players go a long time before an injury, Like RW3 and Sherman, and BWags and KJ Wright. All had very few injuries.
Even if Penny only played 8 games he is worth more than $1.3 million. Perhaps Seattle told him he was going to be RB2 and the Eagles said they would give him a chance to win the starting job. Why has the Seattle press not asked the question. John Schneider spends a half hour a week on KJR. Asking that would not be taboo.
I am very much in appreciation for Rashaad Penny - the man and the player, despite those injuries. That said, he Did just play on a 'prove it' deal and got injured again. I suspect those closest to the situation feel they made the right call.
Well apparently we offered Penny more money than PHI but Penny said he wanted to "change my narrative" which I assume is related to him suddenly being injured all the time. I'm not sure if he would have stayed even if they promised him RB1 which I think he could have won anyway if he was outperforming KWIII.
Gruntled is weird word and spellcheck even flags it as misspelled. Now I'm trying to think of how many words are commonly used in the English language only in their negative form. Apathetic might count, but probably not since pathetic doesn't mean caring and there's no noun for "pathy." When I see the word disgruntled, my mind always goes to "postal employee." I wonder if back when that happened was when I first heard it?
I voted B for the Jones signing. I liked it a lot and am happy we signed him, but with A being as high as the scale goes, thought that one might be best saved for a steal of a contract or absolute game-wrecker of a player.
I have never heard the word gruntled used before. I like the postal worker being disgruntled as a companion. Ok, I get why you put B down. Many people will not give an A in a survey for exactly your reasons. Also, B could go to A once the fur starts flying, or the other way LOL
B's get degrees. (And so do C's). But B's are "above average" in my world and if the Seahawks D overall is above average next season that will be awesome.
Disheveled is another word that is weird. I have never heard of the word sheveled but when one is disheveled then at some point he or she must have been sheveled.
KenJoe, YOU are the embodiment of Gruntled-ness, as Margot Robbie is to pulchritude!
Canny effort on this one, Ken!
I gave the Geno signing an A because it's such an incredibly team friendly deal. Though I love the Dre’Mont Jones signing, I gave it a B because paying a guy full freight involves risk. He may get injured; he may not play to expectations. But I've no problem with the decision to sign him. That will hold if he gets injured or under-performs because John and Pete don't have crystal balls. Fortunately, it takes nothing more than ordinary balls to manage a football team.
I have been trying to figure out how I want to evaluate the Jones signing. On paper it's great but like you say, we haven't had the chance for any results yet so who knows. So do I give it a grade based on potential? His previous results? Or strictly on the contract structure and how it affects the team if he either does amazing (good value?) or bombs (are we stuck with a big contract and no way out?)
It's a huge calculated risk. With the odds stacked very much against you when there's a fan base like ours that accepts nothing less than success at the highest level. Evaluating whether it was a smart move is above my pay grade. I don't know enough about football to evaluate fairly.
Every GM gets some right and some wrong. If we look backward over time, clearly some acquisitions and trades have been better than others. Overall, the Hawks have done significantly better than most teams. Which is pretty much the best one can reasonably hope for. If, by some miracle, we draft the next Tom Brady and win a bunch of Superbowls and get spoiled out of our minds, great. I'm not holding my breath. Takes a lot of luck. Right now, I'd say the Chiefs seem to do the best, overall, from year to year but I say it not because they have Mahomes or won the Superbowl. I think their 2021 draft class was excellent, as was ours. They make a lot of smart moves, though they too get some right and some wrong.
We gotta come up with some formula that shows the value of free agent signings here so Kenneth can have his OWN secret Seaside proprietary formula that he won't tell anyone but assures us it's the best (Jerry, the best!)
What it does say to the fans, the rest of the 'Hawks players, and league at large is "We know what was wrong with our team last year. We are going to fix that now. We are going to compete seriously. We are going to compete now". The value of that message is significant even before Jones plays a single snap.
Jones is a top end talent, and the 'Hawks paid up. Other top end talent pays attention to that. Players looking to make the playoffs will pay attention to that. All helps build up the team. And if Jones flops, that message is still there and effective. Helps bump up the grade.
I hope Adam’s plays more snaps but suspect that it will be Love. The injuries are piling up for Adams. It is one thing to come back from a single major injury but there are not a lot of players that come back from multiple major injuries.
I have to agree, and most injuries take a game or two to come back from, but major injuries, just like Diggs, he wasn't back 100% until half way through the season. As long as Adams has been out, plus his fused fingers, and apparently a shoulder that may be fragile. It all adds up to the Seahawks move on as soon as is to their benefit. Maybe they will give it one more try, but he seems like it must be over, otherwise.
I voted Love would play more snaps. It seems Adams has a ways to go in his recovery and hasn’t been able to stay healthy. If he’s not able to make a significant contribution this year then his contract just doesn’t make sense and I think he gets cut.
With the TE class as it is this year I think giving Fant his 5th year option was a mistake based on his production. We could get one of the three great tight ends (Kincaid) who is a much better blocker than Fant and just as good of a receiver at 20 for half the price of Fant at 7M.
Having gone to UofU and watching all their games since he was signed I think Kincaid is a beast. He is a fantastic blocker and once Utah's best TE went down at the beginning of the year Kincaid blew up. I'm betting Kuithe will go as high or higher than Kincaid because he catches everything but he can't block as well.
They may have done it to potentially use him as a trade piece, either straight up for picks or to add into a trade. I also wouldn't be surprised if they looked at the TEs available through FA and the draft and didn't see anyone that would outproduce Fant this coming season, in addition to the Dissly Durability Dilemma.
Depending on who we draft, Dissly's durability, and Parkinson's level of play, Fant could be anything from #3 receiving option to bench warmer in our 2023 offense. It's a strong but uncertain position group for us. Fant is expensive insurance for us right now, and I could totally see him as mid-season trade if he becomes redundant in our offense.
I think Parkinson is going to be here awhile as he just seems to get better every year. We knew he was a project when we got him and the more PT he gets the better he will get. Dissly can catch just about everything and blocks really well but I think Kincaid and Mayer are better blockers than him. A seven million dollar insurance policy seems a bit much. If he lights it up the first half of the year I hope we trade him but I don't think anyone will want him without a longer contract in place. Fant is best dealt before the season for that issue alone
I want to get an elite blocker for TE. Parkinson was making some great blocks during the season and seemed to improve as the season progressed. I with you on keeping him. I like Darnell Washington because he is an elite blocker. Did you see the sled thing for TE's at the combine? Everyone struggled to push the sled more than a few feet, but Washington walked the sled back like he was mowing the lawn. And he can catch.
I'm dreaming of Colby Parkinson, DK Metcalf and Darnell Washington in Redzone Sets with K9 in the backfield.
I have visions of Darnell Washington lined up as the third down back in the backfield for pass protection and occasionally running it or catching a pass out of the backfield.
I will remain optimistic about Adams until he's no longer on the team. I voted he'd play more snaps simply because if he's the same guy he was and can stay healthy all year (remember, I'm optimistic) then he never comes off the field. He's a safety on running downs and a LB on passing downs. He's the best pass rushing DB in the NFL. He has a role in every defensive situation. If he can just stay on the field then we will all be super gruntled!
I’m not optimistic but completely agree with your point and I hope I’m wrong!
I know for me a big part of the Evan Brown vote is that he can shift to G, so by drafting a C at #52 we give ourselves the most flexiblity. I trust Brown could easily be our starter and an improvement over Blythe (low bar, but it's what it is), but with the 1-year nature of the deal and being far from long term solved at G why not explore the options and cover yourself in case of injury.
This does also include room to draft outside of Rd2 and to draft G's instead of C's. JS made a good deal and again has just set up the draft to come to us (well, we do have a glaring gap at DT now). Beef up the trenches some more JS!
Plus Brown was blocked by Ragnow who is one of the best centers in the game right now but apparently did alright when Frank got hurt, so I'm curious to see how he does for us.
It is uncommon for a defensive lineman or nose tackle to make a significant impact during their rookie season. Jordan Davis was a highly sought-after interior lineman from Georgia in the 2022 draft. By all accounts, he acquitted himself adequately in his first season. When the Eagles begain to sense they had a great chance to win the Super Bowl, they signed Ndamukobg Suh mid -season to beef up that part of their defense. Jordan played slightly under 50% of their defensive snaps during the regular season. Those totals shrunk somewhat further in the playoffs, as Suh became the starter. I am not sure how happy Hawks fans are that J Reed is coming back. I for one think it is a move in the right direction. Dremont Jones has not played a snap in Seattle yet, I feel he will be a significant upgrade to our interior run and pass defense. As far as his salary is concerned, I think he slots in about right, because of his proven ability, talent, and being a 3 down player in the engine room. Seattle may still see Pona Ford as part of their rotation at much less money. It will take some time before we know the answer to that question. I believe we still need one more steady pro even if we do select Jalen Carter. My main reasoning being I believe most sports are controlled by the middle of the field, the ice or court, and we can never have enough depth in that area. I am uncertain why so many Seahawk fans are not optimistic about the 26 year old Dremont Jones. From what I have read and watched researching Jones, run defense is his strength and he averaged six sacs a year over the last three seasons. I could be wrong in my assessment but surely it will be better than watching the Raiders pile up 300 yards rushing. That frustrated me can you imagine how Pete felt.
A quick note I got a chance to listen to Gino in an hour long podcast done just before the Super Bowl. I learned much about how talented an artist he is and how bright he was in the classroom. If we do take a rookie QB, Gino will be a great mentor and has said that he would help any young buck as much as he can. Good for you Gino, great to hear.
That DL's don't make a significant impact as rookies is why they are going to look long and hard at Carter, assuming he is available at #5. He appears to be the on interior defensive lineman in the entire with the ability to hit the ground running. And Pete is going to want that pick to contribute right away.
I still think we take him at 5 if he is there. He pushed college kids around all game
If Carter interviews well and checks out with his coaches, taking him is a no-brainer. The wild card is Richardson. If he’s available and PCJS are high on him, they might go that way. I doubt that they have any expectation of drafting Levis.
I also like the Jones signing and am happy to see Reed back with the Hawks. He knows the culture, and will contribute in ways that can’t easily be measured by stats.
I was very down on Geno after the DUI and threatening officers last offseason, but he's been a perfect soldier as a starter.
I voted that Love would play more snaps - it sure seems like they got him to fill that Adams role but with better coverage skills. Obviously don’t know what it means for Adams’s future on the team but I still doubt they’ll cut him unless/until he gets hurt again.
Dang, disappointed to see Al Woods go, but he was getting up there in age, especially for his position. He was our only player who could eat up blockers on our line last season, even if only 1/3 downs he could play.
After these moves I’m becoming more and more convinced our first 2 picks will be DT and ILB. If we hit on those, and find a way to pick up another run stuffer (Reed alone isn’t enough and rookie DTs have a hard time holding up against the run), we may have a decent defense.
I think Adams’ career is likely over. He basically hasn’t played since getting paid, and even if he has the fire to come back, will the body be able after so long not being an elite athlete? Yet another wild swing and miss from PCJS. Good thing they have some out of the park grand slams to make up for it haha.
By releasing Woods we have basically told everyone that we are taking a large man up front to plug the middle of a 3-4 in the draft. That position is the most important position on the D line in a 3-4 because they need to two gap and take double teams every play. You need someone that won't be moved off of their position. I like Ika or Mazi for this job. We absolutely need to draft a huge guy in the middle or people will run all over us.
Would anyone else think trading with the Eagles for Jordan at 20 would be a good idea? I do
Until Woods signs with someone else, I am hoping this is just temporary. Maybe they will resign him with incentives that will count towards next years' cap. They must have a plan.
I wonder how often that has happened to the Seahawks compared to other teams? Penny and Adams both had no injury history until the Seahawks; I remember Unger being hurt a lot until we traded him to the Saints... I'm trying to think of other players that had their injury luck completely change after either joining or leaving the Seahawks. I don't think it'll be a Seattle curse or anything, more likely it's because the Seahawks are the only team I follow and big things were expected out of those guys and cost some draft capital.
I only read the headline, but even with the Adams injury last season, the Seahawks has fewer injuries than average. And over the years, we have had plenty of players go a long time before an injury, Like RW3 and Sherman, and BWags and KJ Wright. All had very few injuries.
Even if Penny only played 8 games he is worth more than $1.3 million. Perhaps Seattle told him he was going to be RB2 and the Eagles said they would give him a chance to win the starting job. Why has the Seattle press not asked the question. John Schneider spends a half hour a week on KJR. Asking that would not be taboo.
I read that Penny wanted a change of scene. In Philadelphia, the expectations will be will be based on his contract, not his draft status.
I am very much in appreciation for Rashaad Penny - the man and the player, despite those injuries. That said, he Did just play on a 'prove it' deal and got injured again. I suspect those closest to the situation feel they made the right call.
Well apparently we offered Penny more money than PHI but Penny said he wanted to "change my narrative" which I assume is related to him suddenly being injured all the time. I'm not sure if he would have stayed even if they promised him RB1 which I think he could have won anyway if he was outperforming KWIII.
Gruntled is weird word and spellcheck even flags it as misspelled. Now I'm trying to think of how many words are commonly used in the English language only in their negative form. Apathetic might count, but probably not since pathetic doesn't mean caring and there's no noun for "pathy." When I see the word disgruntled, my mind always goes to "postal employee." I wonder if back when that happened was when I first heard it?
I voted B for the Jones signing. I liked it a lot and am happy we signed him, but with A being as high as the scale goes, thought that one might be best saved for a steal of a contract or absolute game-wrecker of a player.
I have never heard the word gruntled used before. I like the postal worker being disgruntled as a companion. Ok, I get why you put B down. Many people will not give an A in a survey for exactly your reasons. Also, B could go to A once the fur starts flying, or the other way LOL
There is nothing wrong with a B.
B's get degrees. (And so do C's). But B's are "above average" in my world and if the Seahawks D overall is above average next season that will be awesome.
Found a pretty fun article about this very topic: https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/kempt-couth-ruly-gruntled
Although including “underwhelm” in the list is odd...
Disheveled is another word that is weird. I have never heard of the word sheveled but when one is disheveled then at some point he or she must have been sheveled.
I learned something new today from you and Skipper Joe
Cool, Thanks, Jerod. thought that KenJoe was doing his inimitable playing with words 'n making up new ones.