It the top 15 picks are littered with QBs, WRs, and OTs, and we get to #16 with a half-dozen DT/DE/edge players with first-round grades, JS needs to turn to MM and say, "choose."
JS may have a difficult choice at 1.16. IF that many QB's go in the top 15, and IF there is a run on WR's early on, there could be a gem there at 16 that they had never thought would fall in their laps. If that happens, and there are only 1-3 players left in that top tier for them, they may feel they need to pull the trigger, and then sit and watch over 60 players come off the board before they pick again.
I really feel John would want to trade down, maybe multiple times, and I personally don't think the drop off in talent is that significant between 16 and the mid/late 20's. I'd likely still trade out of the 16 spot. But, it really depends on their evaluations. If you can get a blue chip OT, or a game wrecker on the D-line, walking away from that to get more draft capital would be a really tough decision.
I'm wondering if all of the 'due diligence' they are doing with QB's (they met with JJ McCarthy at the Michigan pro-day) are to put it out there that they MIGHT just draft a QB if someone like Nix, or Penix, or McCarthy drop to them. Maybe QB is the one position they might just stick-and-pick for?
I hope Olu can be the man at center. Any consistent team has a good to very good center at minimum. I would like to see Powers /Johnson drafted , and see no reason why Olu can't move to guard under that scenario, or have healthy competition at the very least. That always helps the team. With a better O-line Seattle will have a greatly improved total offense. Other than another TE what else do they need in this upcoming season, on offense?
Seahawks had a great opportunity to rebuild the offense and defense lines with the cadre of picks from the Russell Wilson trade. Instead, they drafted Witherspoon (185lb cornerback #5 overall), more receivers and running backs etc. If you can't control the line of scrimmage, you will never be a championship caliber team. They had no choice to trade a second-round pick and overpay the 30-year-old DE Leonard Williams because they did not draft lineman in the early rounds of the draft. Until the o-line / d-line are fixed this team will be mired in mediocrity.
It's not.like you can have enough good players at any one position.You can always trade a player for one that fills a need! This isn't rocket science folks
I voted G/C I think, but if I did it was because Guard is our only hole, and I resent people who completely ignore Olu Oluwatimi. I thought he was a steal in the fifth round, and I didn't see anything to dissuade me of that idea. He might not have wowed people, but he didn't fail, either. He did his job. I didn't vote to find a center, I voted to fill the void at guard, but if we do it in the first round, I want a guard who can play tackle, too. So I would have preferred a G/T option than G/C option. Not that I think center is less important, it is more that I still have high hopes for Olu Oluwatimi to overperform his draft spot.
Also was going to mention ... A friend of mine I recently played golf with just had dinner with JS/Mike Mac/Jay/Chuck Arnold.
Couple takeaways:
1) They (JS and Chuck Arnold) love Geno Smith. Said he is a pro's pro and think extremely highly of him as a professional.
2) They wanted to let Pete go for years (apx. 2020 on)
3) They disliked Russ after meeting Ciara. Thought he changed and were ready to move on years ago.
Definitely a reliable source. Take it for what it is. But it certainly cemented the idea to me that there is a wide chasm between what the Seahawks Brass thinks about Geno and what some of the online/media/fans think that the Seahawks think about him. The only reliable source that I have seen who is said tepid things about Geno is my guy from Queen Anne, Brady Henderson.
On that note, a twitter Seahawk fan guaranteed me that Geno would be cut next year. Not saying it can't or won't happen... But I am saying that the chances of him being cut are nowhere near 100%. Which led me to this question:
How many teams cut a QB that led them to the playoffs the prior year?
Amazing results! Just as Joe said twitter is not reality.
I would’ve thought it was QB QB and QB as the main issues. Great to see some more nuanced looks at football.
This part of the year has already been fun as my views keep changing.
Start to finish so far:
1) we are setting up to draft an o line first round maybe/probably after trade down
2) whoa people really like JJ McCarthy
3) whoa now that I look at it 7 QBs/WRs or more are very likely to ahead of 16 (same as what Joe said)
4) does this mean a guy like Byron Murphy will be available at 16? Would the Seahawks take him? What about Brock bowers?
I have already ended up at everything is on the table as options for the hawks. Same as what Joe said, can get a good guard in third round. Just not sure you can pass up a chance at 16 to get a guy like Byron Murphy even with your DLine investment already or whoever else (verse, Bowers, other?)
Or do those potential blue chippers net you more trade value?
Right now I am leaning towards getting Byron Murphy if he is there.
We will have a better feel after the draft on the OL but the yesterday of John is a lot of end of the road or broken down coming back from injury guys. Gabe Jackson , Luke Joeckel etc.
I am concerned not about just G—C-G but RT too. We heard very little about l Lucas during the season and just he had knee surgery after the season.
It the top 15 picks are littered with QBs, WRs, and OTs, and we get to #16 with a half-dozen DT/DE/edge players with first-round grades, JS needs to turn to MM and say, "choose."
Congrats Paul O!
JS may have a difficult choice at 1.16. IF that many QB's go in the top 15, and IF there is a run on WR's early on, there could be a gem there at 16 that they had never thought would fall in their laps. If that happens, and there are only 1-3 players left in that top tier for them, they may feel they need to pull the trigger, and then sit and watch over 60 players come off the board before they pick again.
I really feel John would want to trade down, maybe multiple times, and I personally don't think the drop off in talent is that significant between 16 and the mid/late 20's. I'd likely still trade out of the 16 spot. But, it really depends on their evaluations. If you can get a blue chip OT, or a game wrecker on the D-line, walking away from that to get more draft capital would be a really tough decision.
I'm wondering if all of the 'due diligence' they are doing with QB's (they met with JJ McCarthy at the Michigan pro-day) are to put it out there that they MIGHT just draft a QB if someone like Nix, or Penix, or McCarthy drop to them. Maybe QB is the one position they might just stick-and-pick for?
So many possibilities.
Just read from Condotta that over the cap has Seattle with only 2.3 mil. Lowest in NFL. Money went quickly.
I hope Olu can be the man at center. Any consistent team has a good to very good center at minimum. I would like to see Powers /Johnson drafted , and see no reason why Olu can't move to guard under that scenario, or have healthy competition at the very least. That always helps the team. With a better O-line Seattle will have a greatly improved total offense. Other than another TE what else do they need in this upcoming season, on offense?
Seahawks had a great opportunity to rebuild the offense and defense lines with the cadre of picks from the Russell Wilson trade. Instead, they drafted Witherspoon (185lb cornerback #5 overall), more receivers and running backs etc. If you can't control the line of scrimmage, you will never be a championship caliber team. They had no choice to trade a second-round pick and overpay the 30-year-old DE Leonard Williams because they did not draft lineman in the early rounds of the draft. Until the o-line / d-line are fixed this team will be mired in mediocrity.
It's not.like you can have enough good players at any one position.You can always trade a player for one that fills a need! This isn't rocket science folks
I voted G/C I think, but if I did it was because Guard is our only hole, and I resent people who completely ignore Olu Oluwatimi. I thought he was a steal in the fifth round, and I didn't see anything to dissuade me of that idea. He might not have wowed people, but he didn't fail, either. He did his job. I didn't vote to find a center, I voted to fill the void at guard, but if we do it in the first round, I want a guard who can play tackle, too. So I would have preferred a G/T option than G/C option. Not that I think center is less important, it is more that I still have high hopes for Olu Oluwatimi to overperform his draft spot.
Well this was rigged. I'm not Paul O. Whoever the heck Paul O. is, I hate you and your crummy sunglasses!!!!!!!!
Well, now I will read the article.
Also was going to mention ... A friend of mine I recently played golf with just had dinner with JS/Mike Mac/Jay/Chuck Arnold.
Couple takeaways:
1) They (JS and Chuck Arnold) love Geno Smith. Said he is a pro's pro and think extremely highly of him as a professional.
2) They wanted to let Pete go for years (apx. 2020 on)
3) They disliked Russ after meeting Ciara. Thought he changed and were ready to move on years ago.
Definitely a reliable source. Take it for what it is. But it certainly cemented the idea to me that there is a wide chasm between what the Seahawks Brass thinks about Geno and what some of the online/media/fans think that the Seahawks think about him. The only reliable source that I have seen who is said tepid things about Geno is my guy from Queen Anne, Brady Henderson.
On that note, a twitter Seahawk fan guaranteed me that Geno would be cut next year. Not saying it can't or won't happen... But I am saying that the chances of him being cut are nowhere near 100%. Which led me to this question:
How many teams cut a QB that led them to the playoffs the prior year?
When you’re right no one remembers but when you’re wrong everyone suddenly has that elephant memory. May the 12s be with you!
Amazing results! Just as Joe said twitter is not reality.
I would’ve thought it was QB QB and QB as the main issues. Great to see some more nuanced looks at football.
This part of the year has already been fun as my views keep changing.
Start to finish so far:
1) we are setting up to draft an o line first round maybe/probably after trade down
2) whoa people really like JJ McCarthy
3) whoa now that I look at it 7 QBs/WRs or more are very likely to ahead of 16 (same as what Joe said)
4) does this mean a guy like Byron Murphy will be available at 16? Would the Seahawks take him? What about Brock bowers?
I have already ended up at everything is on the table as options for the hawks. Same as what Joe said, can get a good guard in third round. Just not sure you can pass up a chance at 16 to get a guy like Byron Murphy even with your DLine investment already or whoever else (verse, Bowers, other?)
Or do those potential blue chippers net you more trade value?
Right now I am leaning towards getting Byron Murphy if he is there.
*will change opinion before draft 100 more times
We will have a better feel after the draft on the OL but the yesterday of John is a lot of end of the road or broken down coming back from injury guys. Gabe Jackson , Luke Joeckel etc.
I am concerned not about just G—C-G but RT too. We heard very little about l Lucas during the season and just he had knee surgery after the season.