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Grant's avatar

It the top 15 picks are littered with QBs, WRs, and OTs, and we get to #16 with a half-dozen DT/DE/edge players with first-round grades, JS needs to turn to MM and say, "choose."

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Jeremy Brice's avatar

Congrats Paul O!

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Chris H's avatar

JS may have a difficult choice at 1.16. IF that many QB's go in the top 15, and IF there is a run on WR's early on, there could be a gem there at 16 that they had never thought would fall in their laps. If that happens, and there are only 1-3 players left in that top tier for them, they may feel they need to pull the trigger, and then sit and watch over 60 players come off the board before they pick again.

I really feel John would want to trade down, maybe multiple times, and I personally don't think the drop off in talent is that significant between 16 and the mid/late 20's. I'd likely still trade out of the 16 spot. But, it really depends on their evaluations. If you can get a blue chip OT, or a game wrecker on the D-line, walking away from that to get more draft capital would be a really tough decision.

I'm wondering if all of the 'due diligence' they are doing with QB's (they met with JJ McCarthy at the Michigan pro-day) are to put it out there that they MIGHT just draft a QB if someone like Nix, or Penix, or McCarthy drop to them. Maybe QB is the one position they might just stick-and-pick for?

So many possibilities.

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Randall Murray's avatar

Just read from Condotta that over the cap has Seattle with only 2.3 mil. Lowest in NFL. Money went quickly.

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Charlie Swift's avatar

Yes the cap space was always an illusion. Remember every dollar saved by releasing a player or not resigning them ends up being spent by signing a replacement. The money was largely spent yet again in the middle of the field on defense. Fans and (I am among them) want draft picks for guards and centers because the Seahawks are clearly weak there, but there is a downside until the Seahawks draft ILB tackles and safeties this is going to a recurring problem.

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Hawkman54's avatar

I hope Olu can be the man at center. Any consistent team has a good to very good center at minimum. I would like to see Powers /Johnson drafted , and see no reason why Olu can't move to guard under that scenario, or have healthy competition at the very least. That always helps the team. With a better O-line Seattle will have a greatly improved total offense. Other than another TE what else do they need in this upcoming season, on offense?

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Peter F Skaves's avatar

Seahawks had a great opportunity to rebuild the offense and defense lines with the cadre of picks from the Russell Wilson trade. Instead, they drafted Witherspoon (185lb cornerback #5 overall), more receivers and running backs etc. If you can't control the line of scrimmage, you will never be a championship caliber team. They had no choice to trade a second-round pick and overpay the 30-year-old DE Leonard Williams because they did not draft lineman in the early rounds of the draft. Until the o-line / d-line are fixed this team will be mired in mediocrity.

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Randall Murray's avatar

Are you sure about your post? Seattle drafted Cross, Mafe, Hall. Picked up Shelby and through later trade drafted Smith. Now some say Mafe and Hall are OLB I disagree as they are ends they are not off ball OLB like KJ was. So of the 9 players they got, 5 were on the line players. And Spoon is an elite playmaker something teams rarely can get (ala Earl Thomas albeit different position). The players you mentioned, like K9 and Charbo, were needed. We had no RB as it turned out. Receivers drafted were late round picks. Players of need but late round.

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Nicholas Donsky's avatar

It's not.like you can have enough good players at any one position.You can always trade a player for one that fills a need! This isn't rocket science folks

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Stephen Pitell's avatar

I voted G/C I think, but if I did it was because Guard is our only hole, and I resent people who completely ignore Olu Oluwatimi. I thought he was a steal in the fifth round, and I didn't see anything to dissuade me of that idea. He might not have wowed people, but he didn't fail, either. He did his job. I didn't vote to find a center, I voted to fill the void at guard, but if we do it in the first round, I want a guard who can play tackle, too. So I would have preferred a G/T option than G/C option. Not that I think center is less important, it is more that I still have high hopes for Olu Oluwatimi to overperform his draft spot.

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Randall Murray's avatar

I’m looking forward to competition between him and Harris and agree with your assessment. And I liked Bradford at RG at times. Just because we voted that biggest need I didn’t take it as being our first rd pick. But I really hope we get an All Pro caliber C soon.

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Stephen Pitell's avatar

Well this was rigged. I'm not Paul O. Whoever the heck Paul O. is, I hate you and your crummy sunglasses!!!!!!!!

Well, now I will read the article.

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Mcdude's avatar

Taking it a little hard are you? Maybe next time!

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Stephen Pitell's avatar

Yes, I expected an attitude like that from a Mcdude. Well, I may have feined some of my outrage. Just a smidge, but thanks for noticing, Mcdude, you've not piped up much lately. More Mcdude! Oh, what is this "next time" you speak of? There are more?

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Mcdude's avatar

I will work on it. Was in denial over Pete Carroll but the Seahawk in me told me to move on.

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Mike McD's avatar

Also was going to mention ... A friend of mine I recently played golf with just had dinner with JS/Mike Mac/Jay/Chuck Arnold.

Couple takeaways:

1) They (JS and Chuck Arnold) love Geno Smith. Said he is a pro's pro and think extremely highly of him as a professional.

2) They wanted to let Pete go for years (apx. 2020 on)

3) They disliked Russ after meeting Ciara. Thought he changed and were ready to move on years ago.

Definitely a reliable source. Take it for what it is. But it certainly cemented the idea to me that there is a wide chasm between what the Seahawks Brass thinks about Geno and what some of the online/media/fans think that the Seahawks think about him. The only reliable source that I have seen who is said tepid things about Geno is my guy from Queen Anne, Brady Henderson.

On that note, a twitter Seahawk fan guaranteed me that Geno would be cut next year. Not saying it can't or won't happen... But I am saying that the chances of him being cut are nowhere near 100%. Which led me to this question:

How many teams cut a QB that led them to the playoffs the prior year?

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Dale's avatar

I just lost a little faith in JS if this is true. Sorry, but Geno ain’t it and i think this doesn’t bode well for progress of the team. However, it also shows that he can change his opinion pretty quick. Let’s hope he does if Geno doesn’t show improvement with a new offence.

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Mike McD's avatar

To be clear: I added in "as a professional."

I just think JS is saying that he likes Geno's work ethic, his leadership qualities, and that he is not a diva.

I don't think this changes much other than I don't think they are going to be quick to get rid of him. I doubt the trade talks were real at all. And I really doubt they were ever considering cutting him. Maybe the Hawks were kicking some tires in trade talks to see what is out there and if there was a big fish to catch then maybe ... but not much more than that. Remember they had just traded for a huge haul for RW so they may have wanted to see what the QB trade market looked like.

Anyways, I do think it is a vote of confidence, I don't think it changes their search and I think all options are still on the table including drafting a QB.

But like I said, if the Hawks make the playoffs next year, which is what a bunch of people voted for, then I think there is a great chance (90%+) he is back and his contract is extended.

For the simple reason, how many NFL teams make the playoffs and cut their QB?

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Dale's avatar

I hope they have real competition with what they’ve got coz something’s gotta happen at QB sooner rather than later. Whether that they get more out of Geno (I have doubts) or find something in Howell or the draft, there’s gotta be improvement.

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Mike McD's avatar

I would like to see a team that can actually pass block. And/or a team that can run block. Or a team that can play defense. I can't think of a single SB team that doesn't have a good line.

Geno won 8 games with a bottom level line and a bottom 3 defense.

What can he do with an average O-line? What can he do with a good O-line? What can he do with an average D? Good D?

And if the answer is that he is not good enough, as you and many others say. This will actually be the best setup to drop a rookie in.

Sam Howell would've gotten killed last year behind that Seahawks line, taken even more sacks than he did with a better line on Commanders, and turned the ball over more.

But, I think with some years under his belt, maybe Howell will have a chance. But needs to be on a competent team. Or take a look and redraft. I had no problems taking a shot on Charlie Whitehurst.

Just my 2 cents ... keep building!

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Dale's avatar

It’s interesting about the QB market. Here’s SSJ talking about possibilities of multiple QB’s going in the top 10, yet if the Hawks really did ‘kick the tyres’, then that suggests there’s not much interest in teams acquiring a QB. Unless, of course, they are looking for projects. Alternatively, no one else values Geno.

It’s a very interesting pre-season.

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Mike McD's avatar

Yeah ... The multiple teams picking the QBs are back to the roulette wheel.

Bears: lost track of how many failed QB drafts they have had

Washington: Since 2000 they have had 27 starting QBs and just traded their young starter from last year to draft another young starter

Patriots: Mac Jones didn't work

The kicking tires comment is similar to a Zillow "make me move price". If you put a make me move price on Zillow: is your house listed for sale? At a certain point all assets are for sale but it doesn't mean you are trying to sell them.

I have not seen any indications that the Hawks have had any other plans but to start Geno Smith. Rob Staton and some others have come up with some conspiracy theories that have been proven time and again to be completely false.

Geno, and almost all NFL players jobs are constantly on the line. That will be no different for Geno next year which could result in a contract extension or could result in a cutting. That is the razor's edge for life in the NFL.

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Charlie Swift's avatar

Interesting gossip not sure why they would be that open.

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Mike McD's avatar

Small dinner setting and whiskey.

Also, not sure anything here is groundbreaking. Didn't mean to overstate anything.

The Geno thing is just interesting because of the negativity in some areas of the fan base. This anecdotal story suggests that maybe the brass is higher on him than some people think (this is what I think. JS has supported him many times in public etc.).

The Pete thing had more to do with the state of the franchise post PA passing away. It was not a negative thing just that they thought the edge was lost and likely would've moved on earlier (had PA not passed away).

I think we all saw the Russ thing.

Just some little nuggets I thought were interesting.

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Charlie Swift's avatar

My take is it bad judgment particularly if Mike MacDonald was present. Running down Russel, indicating that they wanted Pete out for three years is basically bitching about past face of the franchise and most successful coach doesn’t actually instill confidence in the new coach - who understands that if John does that to Russ and Pete he will do also do it to him. That doesn’t build trust. Playing golf getting drunk and gossiping in front of your head coach and someone outside the organization during the critical period of the year for the GM is not a good look and is do as I say not as I do moment.

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Mcdude's avatar

When you’re right no one remembers but when you’re wrong everyone suddenly has that elephant memory. May the 12s be with you!

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Mike McD's avatar

Amazing results! Just as Joe said twitter is not reality.

I would’ve thought it was QB QB and QB as the main issues. Great to see some more nuanced looks at football.

This part of the year has already been fun as my views keep changing.

Start to finish so far:

1) we are setting up to draft an o line first round maybe/probably after trade down

2) whoa people really like JJ McCarthy

3) whoa now that I look at it 7 QBs/WRs or more are very likely to ahead of 16 (same as what Joe said)

4) does this mean a guy like Byron Murphy will be available at 16? Would the Seahawks take him? What about Brock bowers?

I have already ended up at everything is on the table as options for the hawks. Same as what Joe said, can get a good guard in third round. Just not sure you can pass up a chance at 16 to get a guy like Byron Murphy even with your DLine investment already or whoever else (verse, Bowers, other?)

Or do those potential blue chippers net you more trade value?

Right now I am leaning towards getting Byron Murphy if he is there.

*will change opinion before draft 100 more times

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KHammarling's avatar

Just a couple of thoughts;

JJ looks great in analytics, and some team *cough*Vikings*cough* is going to love that and him and go for it in round one. Tbf he seems like a great dude. But I see a Kirk Cousins/Alex Smith carrer for him - solid, reliable, going to make a lot of money, never going to shift a franchise to the next level. But my word is he being hyped beyond belief atm!

Don't believe the media hype we're going to see 1-10 go as offensive players. Someone, probably two teams, are going to see top end defensive talent to go for early on. Never in the 21st century has a draft gone only offence for 1-10. Terrion Arnold I think goes Top10, as does one of Dallas Turner or Jared Verse. Good CB's get teams excited, as do good Edges.

Byron Murphy could very well be available at #16 and yes we should take him there! Bowers probably goes earlier (Jets? Chargers? Both keen to boost their offences, especially at TE).

I think the key to the draft will be - how many of these offensive weapons do GM's really see as a need to get in Rd 1? 5 QB's and 5 Tackles and 5 WR's and a TE and a Guard and a Centre? It's madness to predict that.

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Stephen Pitell's avatar

After 15 offensive players going 1-15, we would be crazy not to go defense, but it is sort of funny that I cannot think of any that everyone would agree was a great pick, which seems weird. Is Byron Murphy deserving of being the first guy taken on defense? Is Verse? Who am I missing?

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Paul G's avatar

If anything like that happens, take the best defensive player available who is a culture fit regardless of position (except maybe CB). There’s not a position unit on the defense that wouldn’t benefit from an upgrade.

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Mike McD's avatar

Good points. That would crazy!

I agree that a couple defenders will slide into the top 10. But, it seems at least right now that there is very likely to be at least 3 WRs and 4 QBs taken before 16.

Just think that is very interesting. Just like Joe said in the article. Certainly peaks my interest to think about who could still be on the board at 16 that I would take over an O-Lineman/trade down.

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KHammarling's avatar

Murphy is well in range and realistic as a pick for this team. I do think Chop Robinson has something, but hard to say if the 'Hawks feel that way, it's a much less consesus move to make at #16.

I am starting to look at CBs, Quinyon Mitchell, the afformentioned Arnold, Cooper DeJean all seem consensus 1st Rd CB's (with Wiggins & McKinstry fluctuating around the range). From a BPA view it could well be on the cards if JS/MM arn't feeling offence.

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Paul G's avatar

What about Cooper Dejean? From what I’ve heard/read:

* Can start at safety immediately

* Culture fit

* Outstanding ball skills

* High ceiling

* Jenkins and Wallace are replacement-level guys

* Schneider has used high picks safeties (Earl Thomas and Marquis Blair)

* Possibility of an elite defensive backfield

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Bobric's avatar

We will have a better feel after the draft on the OL but the yesterday of John is a lot of end of the road or broken down coming back from injury guys. Gabe Jackson , Luke Joeckel etc.

I am concerned not about just G—C-G but RT too. We heard very little about l Lucas during the season and just he had knee surgery after the season.

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Seaside Joe's avatar

Signing George Fant for two years is plenty evidence enough that the team doesn't know what Abe's future is going to look like. Drafting a OT/OG like Fautanu does make more sense to me than it used to.

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