All that is missing is a couple more interior offensive and defensive linemen, a couple of running backs a couple of receivers, a couple more linebackers. Draft will be interesting.
That about covers it with a couple of possible differences. This is a great CB group, and I expect them to take one they like in the fifth round probably. It could almost become tradition sprinkled with superstition.
The trick is to decide which positions you pick where. The LB class is pretty weak, so if we want one, even prioritize one, then we will almost certainly have to take one in the first two rounds. I would argue that too many "field tilters" will be available in those first 5 picks from other positions like IOL, IDL, and TE's primarily, but possibly WR and RB as well. I don't think of any of the LB's as being potential field tilters. I'd take one on day three, though they may love one of them, too.
It's exciting to contemplate all the possibilities. My love affairs are gelling into Dawand Jones, Darnell Washington, Mazi Smith, and Maybe Will Anderson if we are lucky. Keeanu Benton, and Zacch Pickens and Byron Young as late round options. I won't complain if Ade Ade or Zach Harrison replaced some of those. I'm kind of expecting them to take a center somewhere.
I agree with all of that, but I do see the possibility of an unforeseen twist. The Seahawks go corner at 5 and select Gonzales. Gonzalez paired with Woolen has the potential to create an elite 3/3/5 with two lock down corners. I know the Seahawks don’t draft corners on day 2 much less in the Top 5. But if we can’t trade out a five and it’s gonna be hard to trade out of five and Anderson is gone What player on defense is likely to have the biggest impact on our ability in the near term. I think the answer is Gonzalez.
This could really help our defense. Imagine if you drop Adams down as a nickel backer and bring in another safety and corner on 3rd downs. We'd need Ryan Neal back or a really good rookie. I'm not sure Neal isn't a better traditional SS than Adams anyway. But in a 3-3-5 when the opponent never knows if Adams is blitzing or dropping, that sounds like great personnel for the defense we run. All dependent on Love's ability to return to form, of course. Edited to add: and Adams staying in one piece for the season.
The Hawks keep filling "needs" faster than balloons at a birthday party. If the Seahawks take a running back and a wide receiver within the first 3 picks, Seaside Joe will have to change his name to Seaside Genius.
Thanks to everyone who answered me. It all seems sort of mysterious the way teams that had no cap room at all went out and signed some massive FA contracts. OTOH, the wheel does keep turning and we can watch teams like the Rams and Denver start to unravel, and they don't have the draft capital to fill all their needs.
I would like to run a team that capitalizes on other teams obsessions like falling in love with guys in the draft or teams desperation for a QB. Bank draft capital for the future, and build the team without selling out the future for the present.
One place is that when the deals are announced online, they are quoted at a max number (the agent's promotional number) and not an actual number. Another is that with several of these deals the '24 hit is much higher than the '23 hit.
I love all these moves so far except dre'mont jones. Just too pricey. But all others are right in the sweet spot of above average players at slightly above veteran minimum amounts. And I love Love, a TACKLING DB, something we sorely need.
Jones said Hawks didnt make contact with his rep at the Combine at all. We jumped in at the last minute out of nowhere. I wonder if the Hawks had missed out on others like Javon Hargraves, and Jones was the fall back option. It was unsettling to hear that from Jones.
Good signing at only 24 years old...5'11, with long (31.75"), 36" vertical, and twitchy-quick at a 1.52 sec 10-yard split - here is his combine profile from when he was coming out of Notre Dame, if interested:
With a 2-year, $12M contract, I suspect we are looking at a $3-4M-range 2023 cap hit. Love gets to Ball-out and hit Free-Agency again at age 26 - likely very good for all...we shall see when announced.
Lock, Bush & Love will use up most of the remaining $7mil we had left on the effective cap, and frankly a really good way to spend it. Consider there's an every increasing chance Adams gets the post-June 1st cut and we still have a nice slice of money left by dipping into the total cap space and making some other cuts and restructures (waiting for the Nuwosu extension)!
I'd love another LB, ideally Tranquill. I'd love another DL, ideally Ioannidis or Gaines. And i'd love a WR, I dream of Thielen but more realistically Mack Hollins is still on the board. Maybe we could slip in a RB and another OLineman. Frankly JS seems completely ontop of things so i'll just excitedly sit back smiling and content.
I don't think they'll sign a receiver until after the draft. If they use a high pick on a wideout I can't see them wanting to block his playing time behind a vet.
They're gonna want to go young (Dareke!) at WR. I think the draft and current players will be their approach rather than these old FAs still available.
I agree with the needs. Besides another NT, I think I'd feel pretty comfortable going into the draft as is, and then re-dipping into free agency again after the draft for any outstanding needs. Seems like the market is slowing down and 70% of remainder guys may get signed after teams see what holes still remain after the draft
I think John and Pete know that the success of last year‘s draft is statistically a pretty big outlier. So they are now emphasizing talent that is fairly well tested rather than depending on how lucky they can get in the draft again. Having said that, with some well chosen draft picks, they might indeed be able to make up for their rather poor record overall in the draft and significantly strengthen the team longer term with (maybe-maybe )a few more great young players.
I agree with you. I hold the belief that a GM’s ability to draft is a myth. If Ron Wolf with 65% draft “success rate” is a HoF, then drafting success is random. Their ability to get along with the coaching staff, manage the various egos, treatment of players, and having an overall effective roster building strategy should be evaluated way above draft success. I see a lot of that skillset in JS.
I read that in the past Pete would meet with prospect coaches and then override the scouts. I heard he said he was going to stop overriding the scouts. Maybe the drafts are going to get better.
I feel like they think they may be able to replicate (not saying that I think they will be able to). They may just be trying to hedge at various positions so they can truly draft BPA on their board available. I think last year, with so many needs, they just drafted whoever was the best player available. So perhaps, trying to recreate that magic. Who knows if it'll work but i do like the pickups thus far as you said.
I think when they traded Frank and were stuck with Collier, they learned that you really can't predict how the draft board will fall. and they reached for collier because it was such a big need they bypassed on other players.
Surprising but in a really good way. I wonder what this means for Adams as a possible June 1 cut? The personnel moves on D---Pete meant it when he said the performance last year was unacceptable.
Has anybody else noticed SDB's big piece on Bush but nary a peep about Drew Lock coming back?
He is still expecting the Seahawks to draft a QB at 5 and will lose it completely if Levis is available at 5 and the Seahawks trade down. The moves PCJS are making say to me that, barring Bryce Young coming to them at 5, that will not happen--maybe Hooker gets drafted and stuffed on PUP due to his injury, but that is about it.
I find the Hawks' rapid free agency moves exciting and encouraging, but I won't get caught up in any sort of optimism or hype until we see how things play out on the field. Every season, hope springs eternal, which is fine. That's basically healthy. I just prefer to keep my feet on the ground and avoid disappointment.
Bobby Wagner changed his Twitter to a pair of dice. Are the Raiders looking to get him? Or, maybe he’s trying to get the 12s to lobby Pete and John for him. 😁
I hope I'm wrong, but I think these last two signings make it less likely that Bobby comes home. It's hard to imagine him as a fulltime player on this defense once Brooks is healthy, and it's hard to imagine him accepting a job as a part time rotational piece. I'm struggling to see how he fits given our scheme and personnel.
As always, waiting on the cap hit for 2023 and guaranteed money. His versatility bodes well for us and our DC. All of this wave 1 and 2 activity is doing my head in!
cutting Adams after June would provide $8.4M in cap savings. I don’t think they plan to do this. However, if his recovery is not on schedule then they may be forced to vs. paying him for less than a full season. I think it’s more likely they keep him this year to see if he can return to pro bowl form. If not he’ll be cut next year.
Love and Diggs playing Safety. Adams playing LB. Will they give it a try? Don't think so but I'd like it!
For the moment
All that is missing is a couple more interior offensive and defensive linemen, a couple of running backs a couple of receivers, a couple more linebackers. Draft will be interesting.
That about covers it with a couple of possible differences. This is a great CB group, and I expect them to take one they like in the fifth round probably. It could almost become tradition sprinkled with superstition.
The trick is to decide which positions you pick where. The LB class is pretty weak, so if we want one, even prioritize one, then we will almost certainly have to take one in the first two rounds. I would argue that too many "field tilters" will be available in those first 5 picks from other positions like IOL, IDL, and TE's primarily, but possibly WR and RB as well. I don't think of any of the LB's as being potential field tilters. I'd take one on day three, though they may love one of them, too.
It's exciting to contemplate all the possibilities. My love affairs are gelling into Dawand Jones, Darnell Washington, Mazi Smith, and Maybe Will Anderson if we are lucky. Keeanu Benton, and Zacch Pickens and Byron Young as late round options. I won't complain if Ade Ade or Zach Harrison replaced some of those. I'm kind of expecting them to take a center somewhere.
I agree with all of that, but I do see the possibility of an unforeseen twist. The Seahawks go corner at 5 and select Gonzales. Gonzalez paired with Woolen has the potential to create an elite 3/3/5 with two lock down corners. I know the Seahawks don’t draft corners on day 2 much less in the Top 5. But if we can’t trade out a five and it’s gonna be hard to trade out of five and Anderson is gone What player on defense is likely to have the biggest impact on our ability in the near term. I think the answer is Gonzalez.
Yea, I can see that happening.
Haha, is that all?
This could really help our defense. Imagine if you drop Adams down as a nickel backer and bring in another safety and corner on 3rd downs. We'd need Ryan Neal back or a really good rookie. I'm not sure Neal isn't a better traditional SS than Adams anyway. But in a 3-3-5 when the opponent never knows if Adams is blitzing or dropping, that sounds like great personnel for the defense we run. All dependent on Love's ability to return to form, of course. Edited to add: and Adams staying in one piece for the season.
I love this. Restocking the defense with vets who can jump right in and I'll bet they focus on offense for the draft.
The Hawks keep filling "needs" faster than balloons at a birthday party. If the Seahawks take a running back and a wide receiver within the first 3 picks, Seaside Joe will have to change his name to Seaside Genius.
I cannot figure out where all the money is coming from.
Thanks to everyone who answered me. It all seems sort of mysterious the way teams that had no cap room at all went out and signed some massive FA contracts. OTOH, the wheel does keep turning and we can watch teams like the Rams and Denver start to unravel, and they don't have the draft capital to fill all their needs.
I would like to run a team that capitalizes on other teams obsessions like falling in love with guys in the draft or teams desperation for a QB. Bank draft capital for the future, and build the team without selling out the future for the present.
From Walmart, as they took over Russ payroll
One place is that when the deals are announced online, they are quoted at a max number (the agent's promotional number) and not an actual number. Another is that with several of these deals the '24 hit is much higher than the '23 hit.
I love all these moves so far except dre'mont jones. Just too pricey. But all others are right in the sweet spot of above average players at slightly above veteran minimum amounts. And I love Love, a TACKLING DB, something we sorely need.
Jones said Hawks didnt make contact with his rep at the Combine at all. We jumped in at the last minute out of nowhere. I wonder if the Hawks had missed out on others like Javon Hargraves, and Jones was the fall back option. It was unsettling to hear that from Jones.
Good signing at only 24 years old...5'11, with long (31.75"), 36" vertical, and twitchy-quick at a 1.52 sec 10-yard split - here is his combine profile from when he was coming out of Notre Dame, if interested:
https://www.nfl.com/prospects/julian-love/32004c4f-5613-3771-4f23-34180a3619b8
With a 2-year, $12M contract, I suspect we are looking at a $3-4M-range 2023 cap hit. Love gets to Ball-out and hit Free-Agency again at age 26 - likely very good for all...we shall see when announced.
Lock, Bush & Love will use up most of the remaining $7mil we had left on the effective cap, and frankly a really good way to spend it. Consider there's an every increasing chance Adams gets the post-June 1st cut and we still have a nice slice of money left by dipping into the total cap space and making some other cuts and restructures (waiting for the Nuwosu extension)!
I'd love another LB, ideally Tranquill. I'd love another DL, ideally Ioannidis or Gaines. And i'd love a WR, I dream of Thielen but more realistically Mack Hollins is still on the board. Maybe we could slip in a RB and another OLineman. Frankly JS seems completely ontop of things so i'll just excitedly sit back smiling and content.
I don't think they'll sign a receiver until after the draft. If they use a high pick on a wideout I can't see them wanting to block his playing time behind a vet.
They're gonna want to go young (Dareke!) at WR. I think the draft and current players will be their approach rather than these old FAs still available.
Dareke!
I agree with the needs. Besides another NT, I think I'd feel pretty comfortable going into the draft as is, and then re-dipping into free agency again after the draft for any outstanding needs. Seems like the market is slowing down and 70% of remainder guys may get signed after teams see what holes still remain after the draft
I think John and Pete know that the success of last year‘s draft is statistically a pretty big outlier. So they are now emphasizing talent that is fairly well tested rather than depending on how lucky they can get in the draft again. Having said that, with some well chosen draft picks, they might indeed be able to make up for their rather poor record overall in the draft and significantly strengthen the team longer term with (maybe-maybe )a few more great young players.
I agree with you. I hold the belief that a GM’s ability to draft is a myth. If Ron Wolf with 65% draft “success rate” is a HoF, then drafting success is random. Their ability to get along with the coaching staff, manage the various egos, treatment of players, and having an overall effective roster building strategy should be evaluated way above draft success. I see a lot of that skillset in JS.
I read that in the past Pete would meet with prospect coaches and then override the scouts. I heard he said he was going to stop overriding the scouts. Maybe the drafts are going to get better.
I feel like they think they may be able to replicate (not saying that I think they will be able to). They may just be trying to hedge at various positions so they can truly draft BPA on their board available. I think last year, with so many needs, they just drafted whoever was the best player available. So perhaps, trying to recreate that magic. Who knows if it'll work but i do like the pickups thus far as you said.
I think when they traded Frank and were stuck with Collier, they learned that you really can't predict how the draft board will fall. and they reached for collier because it was such a big need they bypassed on other players.
Surprising but in a really good way. I wonder what this means for Adams as a possible June 1 cut? The personnel moves on D---Pete meant it when he said the performance last year was unacceptable.
Has anybody else noticed SDB's big piece on Bush but nary a peep about Drew Lock coming back?
Rob added an update about Lock in his article about Evan Brown.
He is still expecting the Seahawks to draft a QB at 5 and will lose it completely if Levis is available at 5 and the Seahawks trade down. The moves PCJS are making say to me that, barring Bryce Young coming to them at 5, that will not happen--maybe Hooker gets drafted and stuffed on PUP due to his injury, but that is about it.
We’ll then here’s to him losing it completely. Because I sure don’t want Levi’s at 5.
Rob is a good writer but I suspect the lack of Drew Lock mention is a little agenda biased. He is Very strong on picking QB early.
He's letting himself go blind.
Much like yourself, he’s right 85-90% of the time. That sometimes breeds obstinacy in the face of logic (him, not you).
I find the Hawks' rapid free agency moves exciting and encouraging, but I won't get caught up in any sort of optimism or hype until we see how things play out on the field. Every season, hope springs eternal, which is fine. That's basically healthy. I just prefer to keep my feet on the ground and avoid disappointment.
I think optimism is justified. These are some big moves, they're not the typical Seahawk "wave 4" free agent pickups.
Agree. Definitive, and not waiting on “best before” bargains
Bobby Wagner changed his Twitter to a pair of dice. Are the Raiders looking to get him? Or, maybe he’s trying to get the 12s to lobby Pete and John for him. 😁
I hope I'm wrong, but I think these last two signings make it less likely that Bobby comes home. It's hard to imagine him as a fulltime player on this defense once Brooks is healthy, and it's hard to imagine him accepting a job as a part time rotational piece. I'm struggling to see how he fits given our scheme and personnel.
interesting...
I just looked - they show '7'...maybe that is the 'tell' - If his number is $7M to sign maybe...
Maybe a sign he has crapped out?
As always, waiting on the cap hit for 2023 and guaranteed money. His versatility bodes well for us and our DC. All of this wave 1 and 2 activity is doing my head in!
Unlikely bc there is no savings in that move, but it might/prob mean he's very uncertain for the beginning of the year and then some
cutting Adams after June would provide $8.4M in cap savings. I don’t think they plan to do this. However, if his recovery is not on schedule then they may be forced to vs. paying him for less than a full season. I think it’s more likely they keep him this year to see if he can return to pro bowl form. If not he’ll be cut next year.