Nailed it. Unless you have a generational talent at QB the name of the name of the game in the NFL is a good QB on a rookie contract. Our best path is with Smith as next year's starter on a bridge QB contract (assuming the current Smith is the real deal) and a talented rookie learning while we add to the defense. That's what GB did with Rodgers, KC did with MaHomes, and San Diego tried to do with Herbert. Denver might be interested in trading Wilson back to Seattle but they'd have to eat most of his contract. Let's ride!
Oct 5, 2022·edited Oct 5, 2022Liked by Seaside Joe
One of the good physical qualities about Geno is, his body is fresh and in great shape. As a back-up QB to Russ W. for several yrs, his legs/body hasn't suffered punishment from sacks. So he can still run
Oct 5, 2022·edited Oct 6, 2022Liked by Seaside Joe
While we still don’t know what we have, even a naysayer such as myself has to admit that Geno showed more last Sunday than I thought was in him, even given a bad defense. Forty-one offensive points in the NFL is not chopped liver no matter who is on the other side of the LOS. This offense is likely good enough to be productive in a majority of its remaining games.
What that might mean for drafting a QB…well, Geno will be 33 at the end of next season. And Case Keenum came to my mind independent of Seaside J. (It’s true!) From what I read of this year’s senior class, there’s not much in the way of can’t-miss defensive talent after Will Anderson. (On the other hand, nothing about Aaron Judge’s minor league career suggested that he had a chance to be one of the best right-handed power hitters in the history of MLB, so who knows?) Anyway, if there is a QB available in the first round whom PCJS like, by all means take him. While I’m not exactly a candidate for President of the John Schneider Fan Club, I think that he can get this right as long as Carroll looks over his shoulder.
Man, you're putting the cart waay before the horse. Geno as player of the week is a feel-good bullshit story. We know he does well against crappy defenses. When has he performed well against a solid defense that can place him under pressure.
Yes, our O line seems significantly better than last year and that helps. But I'll believe Geno's Seahawks over the Rams, the 49ers, Green Bay et. al. when I see it. Until then, he should be kissing his lucky stars he's not riding the bench, where I still think he belongs.
Or Geno could just have emerged as a better QB. They asked him about the differnce between now and his time with the Jets and he said he no longer feels like he has to be the hero on every play.
This article is spot on. This is also why the Seahawks put themselves in a great situation with Geno/Lock coming into this year (opposite of what all the talking heads said). Even if one of them turned out to be good ... there is no way you pay them top QB dollar because there probably isn't a market for them. As opposed to if they signed Baker, and he turned out to be good, then there would be a much larger market for him.
You still draft a QB in 2023. Let them compete for a starting spot (most likely sit them) and go with the best option in 2023, which is most likely Geno if he keeps it up at the above stated contract terms.
Where statistics and possibilities stand defiant but Geno stands even more determined. Not because I’m a big Geno fan, but when the otherwise impossible happens, it’s the rarest kind of special.
Two Super Bowl wins with Geno. The second one he wins MVP and tosses a one yard pass to the special teams gunner.
I was legitimately looking at this comparison on Wikipedia a day before you brought it up. Get out of my head man!
But yeah the sudden rise was what got me to compare the two. Vikings didn't pay him the next year and he didn't perform well. Maybe he was always destined to return back to earth the next year but I wonder if staying in the Vikings system would've provided repeated success. If Geno stays consistent, and I were the Seahawks, that's what I would point to in terms of taking a contract from another team. (But if he gets a big gtd contract, would be ludicrous for him not to take it)
A week ago I wrote to the group, if Geno keeps playing like this he could be in line for a fat contract. My idea of a fat contract for Geno was about $15 million a year for 2 years $30 million, same as Kenneth's idea with $5 million less garuntee. I don't have Geno's career earnings but i would venture a guess this is 5 times more a year than he has ever made. If anybody gets a raise which is thay much more, this would make a fat contractor regardless of what ie. Kyler Murray is making or what Lamar and his Mum might sign for. I think Geno is smart and would be very happy knowing that if he wins for those two years he will still only be 34 years old.
That is more than I ever wanted to say about this as I am a tad haha superstitious, and I may end up jinxing, the Hawks, Geno and most importantly the Seaside community.
I am buoyed by the numbers Ken presented about our up coming opponents. Bare in mind some of those numbers will probably
look different because of the small sample size of only four games. I think teams like the Rams and Forty Niners will get their shit together and pose more trouble than what their offensive output looks like now.
In closing we will draft a quarterback, and the $15 million a year and $20 million garunteed maybe $5 million more than what Pete may garuntee. Let's cross our fingers we have this problem.
Let's not get too excited about Gino's performance against the worst defense in the NFL. There will be many talented QBs prospects in the next 2 years. The trick is not to draft the next Rick Mirer, Maguire or trade a 1st round pick for a Kelly Staufer.
Too many of the college QBs are good running backs with good arms. I want a great passer that can move in the pocket. They last longer and can read defenses and go through their progressions.
From what I've seen so far , #1 is Young. Every one else is a distant 2.
First off, I think we all know that 4 games does prove anyone of being elite. Especially not at QB.
However, I am the one that predicted Geno would exceed expectations "by a lot" and he has done that. I believe we have seen what he is capable of. Geno, with a good pocket to throw from can get the ball to the open man so long as it isn't a deep throw. He may never develop the deep throw accuracy we need, but if he gets enough practice he may eventually get there.
What Geno has demonstrated that has exceeded even my expectations is his mastery of defenses, and knowing where to target in those situations. His line management and play calling based upon defenses is superior to Wilson's. I believe that.
Don't forget that Geno's career has been hampered more by racism than lack of talent. I think that has already been demonstrated. But the future of Geno will depend more on the OL's continued excellence than on his own talents. Any QB can tear a defense apart if he has plenty of time to throw. Geno under pressure is not horrible, but he can make mistakes. Lose the ball. Bad things happen when an OL is demolished. So far, our OL is better than anyone could have expected, and they will only get better, though mistakes will continue to some extent. Wow, on Lucas, though. He might make the pro bowl if he continues as he has.
What to do with those 4 draft picks likely in the top 50? The assumption at the moment is some combination of Edge, WR, QB, Guard. But what if it was Edge, WR, DT or LB, and Guard? The chance to add four potential all-pro players at positions of need might be too great to pass up IF Geno proves capable (or as Sea Hawk Run says, maybe Lock is a younger/cheaper Geno-in-the-wings).
Nailed it. Unless you have a generational talent at QB the name of the name of the game in the NFL is a good QB on a rookie contract. Our best path is with Smith as next year's starter on a bridge QB contract (assuming the current Smith is the real deal) and a talented rookie learning while we add to the defense. That's what GB did with Rodgers, KC did with MaHomes, and San Diego tried to do with Herbert. Denver might be interested in trading Wilson back to Seattle but they'd have to eat most of his contract. Let's ride!
One of the good physical qualities about Geno is, his body is fresh and in great shape. As a back-up QB to Russ W. for several yrs, his legs/body hasn't suffered punishment from sacks. So he can still run
Don’t forget Drew Lock. If the Seahawks can coach him up, Lock could be the next… Geno.
While we still don’t know what we have, even a naysayer such as myself has to admit that Geno showed more last Sunday than I thought was in him, even given a bad defense. Forty-one offensive points in the NFL is not chopped liver no matter who is on the other side of the LOS. This offense is likely good enough to be productive in a majority of its remaining games.
What that might mean for drafting a QB…well, Geno will be 33 at the end of next season. And Case Keenum came to my mind independent of Seaside J. (It’s true!) From what I read of this year’s senior class, there’s not much in the way of can’t-miss defensive talent after Will Anderson. (On the other hand, nothing about Aaron Judge’s minor league career suggested that he had a chance to be one of the best right-handed power hitters in the history of MLB, so who knows?) Anyway, if there is a QB available in the first round whom PCJS like, by all means take him. While I’m not exactly a candidate for President of the John Schneider Fan Club, I think that he can get this right as long as Carroll looks over his shoulder.
Man, you're putting the cart waay before the horse. Geno as player of the week is a feel-good bullshit story. We know he does well against crappy defenses. When has he performed well against a solid defense that can place him under pressure.
Yes, our O line seems significantly better than last year and that helps. But I'll believe Geno's Seahawks over the Rams, the 49ers, Green Bay et. al. when I see it. Until then, he should be kissing his lucky stars he's not riding the bench, where I still think he belongs.
Or Geno could just have emerged as a better QB. They asked him about the differnce between now and his time with the Jets and he said he no longer feels like he has to be the hero on every play.
This article is spot on. This is also why the Seahawks put themselves in a great situation with Geno/Lock coming into this year (opposite of what all the talking heads said). Even if one of them turned out to be good ... there is no way you pay them top QB dollar because there probably isn't a market for them. As opposed to if they signed Baker, and he turned out to be good, then there would be a much larger market for him.
You still draft a QB in 2023. Let them compete for a starting spot (most likely sit them) and go with the best option in 2023, which is most likely Geno if he keeps it up at the above stated contract terms.
Well done Ken this is the best participation I have seen so far. There as usual a number of smart and interesting comments. Thanks, Chris
I’m rooting for the story. The incredible story.
Where statistics and possibilities stand defiant but Geno stands even more determined. Not because I’m a big Geno fan, but when the otherwise impossible happens, it’s the rarest kind of special.
Two Super Bowl wins with Geno. The second one he wins MVP and tosses a one yard pass to the special teams gunner.
Ridiculous storyline. Just Ridiculous.
I was legitimately looking at this comparison on Wikipedia a day before you brought it up. Get out of my head man!
But yeah the sudden rise was what got me to compare the two. Vikings didn't pay him the next year and he didn't perform well. Maybe he was always destined to return back to earth the next year but I wonder if staying in the Vikings system would've provided repeated success. If Geno stays consistent, and I were the Seahawks, that's what I would point to in terms of taking a contract from another team. (But if he gets a big gtd contract, would be ludicrous for him not to take it)
I would absolutely Love If it plays Out Like this:
https://www.pff.com/news/draft-2023-nfl-mock-draft-houston-texans-cj-stroud-chicago-bears-bryce-young
Good end of the book- BUT A Book ???
A week ago I wrote to the group, if Geno keeps playing like this he could be in line for a fat contract. My idea of a fat contract for Geno was about $15 million a year for 2 years $30 million, same as Kenneth's idea with $5 million less garuntee. I don't have Geno's career earnings but i would venture a guess this is 5 times more a year than he has ever made. If anybody gets a raise which is thay much more, this would make a fat contractor regardless of what ie. Kyler Murray is making or what Lamar and his Mum might sign for. I think Geno is smart and would be very happy knowing that if he wins for those two years he will still only be 34 years old.
That is more than I ever wanted to say about this as I am a tad haha superstitious, and I may end up jinxing, the Hawks, Geno and most importantly the Seaside community.
I am buoyed by the numbers Ken presented about our up coming opponents. Bare in mind some of those numbers will probably
look different because of the small sample size of only four games. I think teams like the Rams and Forty Niners will get their shit together and pose more trouble than what their offensive output looks like now.
In closing we will draft a quarterback, and the $15 million a year and $20 million garunteed maybe $5 million more than what Pete may garuntee. Let's cross our fingers we have this problem.
Let's not get too excited about Gino's performance against the worst defense in the NFL. There will be many talented QBs prospects in the next 2 years. The trick is not to draft the next Rick Mirer, Maguire or trade a 1st round pick for a Kelly Staufer.
Too many of the college QBs are good running backs with good arms. I want a great passer that can move in the pocket. They last longer and can read defenses and go through their progressions.
From what I've seen so far , #1 is Young. Every one else is a distant 2.
First off, I think we all know that 4 games does prove anyone of being elite. Especially not at QB.
However, I am the one that predicted Geno would exceed expectations "by a lot" and he has done that. I believe we have seen what he is capable of. Geno, with a good pocket to throw from can get the ball to the open man so long as it isn't a deep throw. He may never develop the deep throw accuracy we need, but if he gets enough practice he may eventually get there.
What Geno has demonstrated that has exceeded even my expectations is his mastery of defenses, and knowing where to target in those situations. His line management and play calling based upon defenses is superior to Wilson's. I believe that.
Don't forget that Geno's career has been hampered more by racism than lack of talent. I think that has already been demonstrated. But the future of Geno will depend more on the OL's continued excellence than on his own talents. Any QB can tear a defense apart if he has plenty of time to throw. Geno under pressure is not horrible, but he can make mistakes. Lose the ball. Bad things happen when an OL is demolished. So far, our OL is better than anyone could have expected, and they will only get better, though mistakes will continue to some extent. Wow, on Lucas, though. He might make the pro bowl if he continues as he has.
What to do with those 4 draft picks likely in the top 50? The assumption at the moment is some combination of Edge, WR, QB, Guard. But what if it was Edge, WR, DT or LB, and Guard? The chance to add four potential all-pro players at positions of need might be too great to pass up IF Geno proves capable (or as Sea Hawk Run says, maybe Lock is a younger/cheaper Geno-in-the-wings).