So why didn't Seattle keep any of their tryout rookies? Brock Huard made a statement pertaining to that that I found interesting. Why both guys had some athleticism, neither has the accuracy for Seattle's scheme. Because of Grubb's offense with Pennix last year, the scheme with Seattle is going to be simular and require the Pennix accuracy. It appears Seattle was pretty satisfied with that element of both players (Geno/Sam) style because of the draft. Geno did his best work in 22 by using the short passing game with the occassional deeper shot. Howell in his draft profile was not noted for his overall field reads or short game. His starts in the NFL showed improvment in both areas. The game against Seattle last year really tipped the scales for JS. Sean McVay trying to sign him is also a good sign. If the offensive line can improve this year Seattle may be in a better position at QB than many of the prognosticators think. SSJ pointed out that if the defense hadn't given up so many points and yards, and Geno wasn't always playing from behind, he may have fared better (ie Carr, Cousins, Prescott). I agree with Joe that an improved defense might be a big boost to the QB's. I think scheme is also going to provide opportunities for success for the QB room, not to mention the RB stable if they stay healthy. Remember this. Pennix pass completion per yard average was 9.2 yards in 2023. Lot's of short precision throws and open up the stuff over the top. Geno still has a lot more game expereince than many of the starters on other teams, and may have found a better match for his skill set.
And just to add to my previous comment, on a more personal and unrelated topic, Russ also has my infinite respect, thanks, and gratitude for all he did as well for the team. Hopefully he finds great success in Pittsburgh, unless, of course, we have to play them again...
Geno's The Man this season. I think Coach Grubbie will draw up some absolutely beautiful game plans for him this season. All this crap that's been written about how he hasn't lived up to expectations is just that: bullcrap. Geno is the leader on offense and he's done nothing but lead the 'Hawks since he's been the starter. He's got my infinite respect, thanks, and gratitude for all he's done for the team. And he will kick ass again this upcoming season!!
I'm optimistic that the D and the OL will be better than last year for the simple reason that it can't be any worse. The D line will be much better but I worry about the LBs. I hope they get at least 2 more proven backers before the season starts.
I think Geno will be Geno, a mid tier QB. If Grub can improve the O scheme they will win 12 games and a top wild card. If they start slow Howell becomes the starter. A lot depends on how fast the new staff puts it all together.
Fans seem to forget that Russ' Houdini like escapes covered up the OL's mistakes for years. Geno is no Houdini.
If Geno was the Colts Matt Ryan he would have been benched twice and released at the end of the season. Not to mention that he also would have lost a game with a 33 point lead.
I'll go with you on this. I just ran out of sht to throw at my TV every time Geno tossed it away on 3rd down. Feels like Carroll had an unspoken disdain for the trench positions. Seems like I recall him pulling rookies from other positions to try out at OLine slots back around 2016. Murphy himself said he liked playing "skilled positions" when asked to go from LB to Tackle, as though that is a common perception in football. Still PO's me. It is time we change that. These big guys beat the living crap out of each other on every play. It's a damn boxing match. MM has already said he never wants to see anyone "standing around", which I take as a nod of respect to what they endure.
Just going to drop by to again predict Howell is our starter week 1.
Dude, we need you too. Without SSJ i'm sure my irl friends and co-workers would be sick to death of me trying to talk about the Seahawks. If you ever stop i'll have to start my own Seahawks blog with heavy filmic influences.
With all the staff changes to the team this year, keeping Geno at QB was a smart move by JS. It will be difficult enough to evaluate the relative impact of all the other big changes. If nothing else Geno is a dependable captain with the trust of his teammates and can reliably learn and execute a new offense. That is a fine starting point that we couldn't find at a better value this offseason.
Geno is in a bit of a thankless position this year. If he's great, Grubb will get at least half the credit, and if he sucks, he'll be the scapegoat.
A slow regression to the career baseline occurs in Years 6-9, with a sharper drop to rookie-level production occurring in Year 10. Individual outcomes sharply diverge from the charted average in Year 11, as players either remain relatively productive or fall to near-zero production – with few in between
Googled...How many seasons has Geno Smith played?
Geno Smith has played 10 seasons for 4 teams, including the Seahawks and Jets. He has thrown for 14,823 yards and 84 touchdowns. He was selected to play in 1 Pro Bowl, and has won 1 Comeback Player of the Year award.
Combine this with the fact that Geno is 33 and I'm guessing the odds are against Geno having a breakout year, not that it can't happen. I'm actually hoping Geno balls out and we go nuts and shock the league, but I like to try and remain optimistic.
I think it's basic fan nature to overvalue your favorite team and its players and staff. I'm sure I felt Ryan Neal and Bradley McDougald were better players than they were in their times here, for example, compared to other serviceable DBs around the league. QB is the most important position in the game, and becomes more polarizing. Just look at FG or Twitter comments when Geno gets brought up. His detractors think he's bottom quartile and his supporters think he's top quartile in the league. Truth is probably somewhere in the middle and we've all seen games where he looked like one or the other.
Whether Geno is here for more seasons after 2024 or not, the Seahawks are going to need a QB sooner than later. And finding a great one outside of the top of the first round is basically same odds as a poor mountaineer striking oil while hunting rabbits (for anyone old enough to get that reference). We're going all in now, as evidenced by not trading back in this draft for 2025 capital, so having a franchise QB pick is feeling unlikely.
I'm more concerned with the long term direction of the team than the record this season. It feels like everything is an unknown except for Geno and our veteran players. A first time head coach makes me nervous, in spite of the fact I was thrilled Mike MacDonald was the pick. And he may turn out to be a great hire. Looking at similar recent candidates, Dan Campbell looks to be, but Branden Staley was not. The fact remains that 1st time head coaches don't typically win the Super Bowl. There are some very good ones out there, but Super Bowl winners are usually retreads. I think 2 first time guys have won it all since Pete Carroll was hired. But besides the head coach, we're looking at a near 100% turnover in coaching staff. It might take some time to gel. As long as we're improving as the season goes on, and the defense looks to be functional, I'll be optimistic for the future, whether Geno is kept on for 2025 or not.
“that will help us get through 24 more hours of life with “mild-to-extreme entertainment” value to distract ourselves from the inevitable abyss of the afterlife”
The PC/JS Hawks always stressed balance. No one person bigger than the team. They often talked about everyone doing their job and trusting their teammates to do theirs. The hiring of MM seems to be a continuation of this tradition with a hope for more “modern” defensive schemes. As Chris said earlier, the focus is going to be in creating a team, not emphasizing just one or two ingredients.
Since it’s so difficult to find a dominant QB, this is probably the most prudent method to achieving success. I certainly hope they are successful beyond our current imaginings.
Any Coach, especially Pete, must be a Realist. He's "still with the Team", let's not forget. JS will be getting his input. Be certain he knows the What and Why he was replaced and can now make suggestions he was unable to do when front and center. The man has a certain genius for the Game. We will do well in our prognostications by remembering he's still with us. Of most interest to me are the guys left on the bench last year and what is/was expected of them now they are back to full health. After getting stomped by the Ravens last year, Pete and JS knew what they could do with a guy like MM. Well, this dream has come true.
Football teams are like recipes. Do I need to care about the relative merits of each ingredient? If the product tastes delicious, isn't that all that matters? I've come to believe it's human nature to pull everything apart and examine each component. We talk about individual vitamins and minerals instead of just a healthy human diet. We talk about isolation exercises instead of basic human movements.
I'm curious about the product produced with Mike Mac's recipe. If the outcomes are good, that's the most important thing. If he can win with what appears to be sub-optimal ingredients, then that's absolutely fine with me. I'll consume the end product with delight. I'm worn out bickering over the quality of the flour.
My Mom re-married a Chef. He was big on knowing what flavors blended into something better than their individual tastes. But the Most Important instinct was knowing when to add an ingredient into the cooking process.
I bet you knew this would stir up some comments SSJ. QB talk with Geno at the helm always has.
I have long said that I’m not convinced Geno is ‘it’. But that doesn’t mean I don’t hope the best for him. It’s possible that last season’s poor OL play that put more pressure on him than they should have, may actually have helped him with dealing with pressure. I don’t subscribe to Mike McD’s conclusion that he was good under pressure last season, but with a better OL and extra time, he could see the game as being a lot slower given the pressure he endured last season. I hope so.
I just want to keep a lid on my hopes. That way, I’m more likely to be pleasantly surprised, or not so disappointed if it doesn’t go so well. It’s just such an unknown this year with the changes.
SJ, several times you referenced next season, but isn’t it this season?
So why didn't Seattle keep any of their tryout rookies? Brock Huard made a statement pertaining to that that I found interesting. Why both guys had some athleticism, neither has the accuracy for Seattle's scheme. Because of Grubb's offense with Pennix last year, the scheme with Seattle is going to be simular and require the Pennix accuracy. It appears Seattle was pretty satisfied with that element of both players (Geno/Sam) style because of the draft. Geno did his best work in 22 by using the short passing game with the occassional deeper shot. Howell in his draft profile was not noted for his overall field reads or short game. His starts in the NFL showed improvment in both areas. The game against Seattle last year really tipped the scales for JS. Sean McVay trying to sign him is also a good sign. If the offensive line can improve this year Seattle may be in a better position at QB than many of the prognosticators think. SSJ pointed out that if the defense hadn't given up so many points and yards, and Geno wasn't always playing from behind, he may have fared better (ie Carr, Cousins, Prescott). I agree with Joe that an improved defense might be a big boost to the QB's. I think scheme is also going to provide opportunities for success for the QB room, not to mention the RB stable if they stay healthy. Remember this. Pennix pass completion per yard average was 9.2 yards in 2023. Lot's of short precision throws and open up the stuff over the top. Geno still has a lot more game expereince than many of the starters on other teams, and may have found a better match for his skill set.
And just to add to my previous comment, on a more personal and unrelated topic, Russ also has my infinite respect, thanks, and gratitude for all he did as well for the team. Hopefully he finds great success in Pittsburgh, unless, of course, we have to play them again...
Geno's The Man this season. I think Coach Grubbie will draw up some absolutely beautiful game plans for him this season. All this crap that's been written about how he hasn't lived up to expectations is just that: bullcrap. Geno is the leader on offense and he's done nothing but lead the 'Hawks since he's been the starter. He's got my infinite respect, thanks, and gratitude for all he's done for the team. And he will kick ass again this upcoming season!!
Yep. Drew Lock left for a reason. Couldn’t compete with Geno and knows how highly the franchise thinks of Geno.
Geno is going to have a huge year
I'm optimistic that the D and the OL will be better than last year for the simple reason that it can't be any worse. The D line will be much better but I worry about the LBs. I hope they get at least 2 more proven backers before the season starts.
I think Geno will be Geno, a mid tier QB. If Grub can improve the O scheme they will win 12 games and a top wild card. If they start slow Howell becomes the starter. A lot depends on how fast the new staff puts it all together.
Fans seem to forget that Russ' Houdini like escapes covered up the OL's mistakes for years. Geno is no Houdini.
If Geno was the Colts Matt Ryan he would have been benched twice and released at the end of the season. Not to mention that he also would have lost a game with a 33 point lead.
I'll go with you on this. I just ran out of sht to throw at my TV every time Geno tossed it away on 3rd down. Feels like Carroll had an unspoken disdain for the trench positions. Seems like I recall him pulling rookies from other positions to try out at OLine slots back around 2016. Murphy himself said he liked playing "skilled positions" when asked to go from LB to Tackle, as though that is a common perception in football. Still PO's me. It is time we change that. These big guys beat the living crap out of each other on every play. It's a damn boxing match. MM has already said he never wants to see anyone "standing around", which I take as a nod of respect to what they endure.
Yup. “Shocking effort” is what he said he wants the other team to see. I’m down for seeing that.
Seeing some Sam Howell talk and that is interesting. I took a look at the numbers:
Sam VS Geno 2023
EPA/Play: Sam -0.79 (26th) vs Geno 0.082 (14th)
CPOE: Sam -0.4 (20th) vs Geno 2.4 (11th)
Comp %: Sam 67.1% (15th) vs Geno 68.4% (13th)
Success Rate: Sam 43% (24th) vs Geno 48.8% (8th)
QBR: Sam 42.4 (24th) vs Geno 59.5 (14th)
Passer Rating: Sam 78.9 (29th) vs Geno 92.1 (17th)
Sam Howell had a better offensive line that gave up less pressures (Commanders 22.1% pressure rate (21st), Seahawks 24.4% (27th))
Sacks (EPA added): Sam -25.5 points (29th) vs Geno -12.6 points (14th)
Sacks taken: Sam 65 times sacked vs Geno 31 times sacked
Sack %: Sam 9.6 (28th) vs Geno 5.8% (9th)
Interceptions: Sam 21 vs Geno 9
Int %: Sam 3.4 (31st) vs Geno 1.8 (13th)
Wins: Sam 4 for 17 vs Geno 8 for 15
Game Winning Drives: Sam 2 (19th) vs Geno 5 (1st)
Don't get me wrong. I like Sam Howell. I like the trade. I see upside potential. I hope one day he wins the job.
Just going to drop by to again predict Howell is our starter week 1.
Dude, we need you too. Without SSJ i'm sure my irl friends and co-workers would be sick to death of me trying to talk about the Seahawks. If you ever stop i'll have to start my own Seahawks blog with heavy filmic influences.
With all the staff changes to the team this year, keeping Geno at QB was a smart move by JS. It will be difficult enough to evaluate the relative impact of all the other big changes. If nothing else Geno is a dependable captain with the trust of his teammates and can reliably learn and execute a new offense. That is a fine starting point that we couldn't find at a better value this offseason.
Geno is in a bit of a thankless position this year. If he's great, Grubb will get at least half the credit, and if he sucks, he'll be the scapegoat.
Googled.....What age do NFL players regress?
A slow regression to the career baseline occurs in Years 6-9, with a sharper drop to rookie-level production occurring in Year 10. Individual outcomes sharply diverge from the charted average in Year 11, as players either remain relatively productive or fall to near-zero production – with few in between
Googled...How many seasons has Geno Smith played?
Geno Smith has played 10 seasons for 4 teams, including the Seahawks and Jets. He has thrown for 14,823 yards and 84 touchdowns. He was selected to play in 1 Pro Bowl, and has won 1 Comeback Player of the Year award.
Combine this with the fact that Geno is 33 and I'm guessing the odds are against Geno having a breakout year, not that it can't happen. I'm actually hoping Geno balls out and we go nuts and shock the league, but I like to try and remain optimistic.
I think it's basic fan nature to overvalue your favorite team and its players and staff. I'm sure I felt Ryan Neal and Bradley McDougald were better players than they were in their times here, for example, compared to other serviceable DBs around the league. QB is the most important position in the game, and becomes more polarizing. Just look at FG or Twitter comments when Geno gets brought up. His detractors think he's bottom quartile and his supporters think he's top quartile in the league. Truth is probably somewhere in the middle and we've all seen games where he looked like one or the other.
Whether Geno is here for more seasons after 2024 or not, the Seahawks are going to need a QB sooner than later. And finding a great one outside of the top of the first round is basically same odds as a poor mountaineer striking oil while hunting rabbits (for anyone old enough to get that reference). We're going all in now, as evidenced by not trading back in this draft for 2025 capital, so having a franchise QB pick is feeling unlikely.
I'm more concerned with the long term direction of the team than the record this season. It feels like everything is an unknown except for Geno and our veteran players. A first time head coach makes me nervous, in spite of the fact I was thrilled Mike MacDonald was the pick. And he may turn out to be a great hire. Looking at similar recent candidates, Dan Campbell looks to be, but Branden Staley was not. The fact remains that 1st time head coaches don't typically win the Super Bowl. There are some very good ones out there, but Super Bowl winners are usually retreads. I think 2 first time guys have won it all since Pete Carroll was hired. But besides the head coach, we're looking at a near 100% turnover in coaching staff. It might take some time to gel. As long as we're improving as the season goes on, and the defense looks to be functional, I'll be optimistic for the future, whether Geno is kept on for 2025 or not.
“that will help us get through 24 more hours of life with “mild-to-extreme entertainment” value to distract ourselves from the inevitable abyss of the afterlife”
So I’m not the only one huh?
The PC/JS Hawks always stressed balance. No one person bigger than the team. They often talked about everyone doing their job and trusting their teammates to do theirs. The hiring of MM seems to be a continuation of this tradition with a hope for more “modern” defensive schemes. As Chris said earlier, the focus is going to be in creating a team, not emphasizing just one or two ingredients.
Since it’s so difficult to find a dominant QB, this is probably the most prudent method to achieving success. I certainly hope they are successful beyond our current imaginings.
Any Coach, especially Pete, must be a Realist. He's "still with the Team", let's not forget. JS will be getting his input. Be certain he knows the What and Why he was replaced and can now make suggestions he was unable to do when front and center. The man has a certain genius for the Game. We will do well in our prognostications by remembering he's still with us. Of most interest to me are the guys left on the bench last year and what is/was expected of them now they are back to full health. After getting stomped by the Ravens last year, Pete and JS knew what they could do with a guy like MM. Well, this dream has come true.
Football teams are like recipes. Do I need to care about the relative merits of each ingredient? If the product tastes delicious, isn't that all that matters? I've come to believe it's human nature to pull everything apart and examine each component. We talk about individual vitamins and minerals instead of just a healthy human diet. We talk about isolation exercises instead of basic human movements.
I'm curious about the product produced with Mike Mac's recipe. If the outcomes are good, that's the most important thing. If he can win with what appears to be sub-optimal ingredients, then that's absolutely fine with me. I'll consume the end product with delight. I'm worn out bickering over the quality of the flour.
Bake something good Mike.
My Mom re-married a Chef. He was big on knowing what flavors blended into something better than their individual tastes. But the Most Important instinct was knowing when to add an ingredient into the cooking process.
I bet you knew this would stir up some comments SSJ. QB talk with Geno at the helm always has.
I have long said that I’m not convinced Geno is ‘it’. But that doesn’t mean I don’t hope the best for him. It’s possible that last season’s poor OL play that put more pressure on him than they should have, may actually have helped him with dealing with pressure. I don’t subscribe to Mike McD’s conclusion that he was good under pressure last season, but with a better OL and extra time, he could see the game as being a lot slower given the pressure he endured last season. I hope so.
I just want to keep a lid on my hopes. That way, I’m more likely to be pleasantly surprised, or not so disappointed if it doesn’t go so well. It’s just such an unknown this year with the changes.