All of this seems so simple to me. Geno is under contract and Lock isn't. That means Geno will be here next year and Lock won't. There are always crazy, mysterious things that happen, but I think Lock gets a low end $tarting QB contract somewhere else and we get Geno for another year.
The Seahawks have been successful under PC and JS because they do things other teams don’t. All you need to do is look at is the 2012 draft and the grades.
They drafted a too small QB and a too big cornerback.
The way to get a competitive advantage is to have everyone call you dumb.
The Seahawks may have found a new route: once highly rated QBs on the trash heap.
They got Geno for cheap and Lock for cheaper.
Brady and Mahomes have skewed the market into thinking “you need a franchise QB”. Franchise QBs are great if you have Brady or Mahomes. But even guys like Rodgers and Brees only won 1 SB.
Would the hawks SB run been better off with the LOB in tact or paying RW?
I believe that QBs are overrated in the marketplace. Therefore, I would not be in favor of paying a QB top dollar and think it sets back the franchise unless it’s Brady (who was under paid) or Mahomes.
Seahawks are on the right path ... focus on building a team and get good QBs off the trash heap for cheap.
Every key member of the LOB signed at least a second contract. Bennett, Chancellor, Wright, and Wagner signed third deals. Only two of them worked out, which points to the risk of continuing to sign players on their career downside. Wilson, on the other hand, maintained peak performance: He was a perennial PBer for ten years with ratings ranging from 92.6-110.1.
JSPC handled that part of running the franchise correctly. They fell down on Day 2 drafts and unwillingness to compensate for that in free agency. Instead, they made a series of trades—some of which worked out and some of which didn’t but that together came with a steep opportunity cost.
Not related to this article but last Monday night is a reason you don’t tank. What an inspiring moment. “I have not yet begun to fight”!-John Paul Jones
Congrats on the 1756, woo hoooo! Pretty awesome! Good comments and I have a thought to consider as well. Show casing both of our qbs and then possibly trading one of them for draft pick(s) and also drafting a qb. Hmmm, in my opinion, not a bad scenario.
The possibilities are close to infinite. Yes, it is both interesting and significant to the future of our team. Up to a point. But just up to a point. A team can go from broken by bad drafts to the frontrunner for the SB in a matter of weeks. I bring you SF after busting with Lance to Purdy. Who would have thunk it? If Geno busts, and Lock, too, we could pick up McGeouh and instantly get transformed.
That's why I advocate for drafting more than one.
Oh, on TV sometime today is none other than Grayson McCall.
That’s a LOT of data. I think you got it mostly right with your comment about the relationship of elite QB’s and stabilizing a franchise, making them contenders for many years. It’s the issue of the QB cost (regardless of expense, your words) that erodes stability. After winning a Super Bowl it seems most players want to stick around for the ride the following year. But after two seasons going deep into the playoffs, those supporting cast players want to get paid too, thus begins the money erosion. I think TB12 and the Pats are an anomaly, if they knew that secret formula, then the hawks might be on the path of multiple rings.
I think starting from scratch at the QB position next season, the hawks would have very hard time getting a better record than this season; keep one or both and be on the lookout for a hidden gem in the draft. I’m thankful they didn’t go for Watson, or Mayfield in the past.
They keep saying QB is the most important role on a team. I say turn over every friggin’ rock till you find a good one. May the 12s be with you and Go Seahawks!🏈🏈🏈🏈
This is where the frustration of not playing Lock earlier and possibly dropping him for Geno again this week sets in. As I’ve said before, Geno ain’t it, and Lock has looked equivalent to Geno in the 2 games he’s played (2 games v 2 seasons!). We could have really used a few more games of Lock to see where our best decision at QB lies. In my humble opinion, I think Lock has more up-side than Geno. But is he our future? We don’t know coz we haven’t been able to see enough of him. Right now, as things stand, the best thing to do would be to keep the cheaper option of Lock and Geno and try our best in the draft to pick up a franchise QB (but personally, I would keep Lock regardless due to him having more potential - so long as a reasonable ‘try-out’ contract can be negotiated). I think it would be a waste of time and $ to keep both.
At some point, being a QB requires you can pull rabbits out of your hat. Be it sad play calling due to a slow OC or a dull HC, your fellow players will demand to see something exceptional generated. Geno appears too much a company man, requiring a whole lot of things come together, uh, next week. "We'll do better/it's on me" doesn't cut it soon enough. Last year, Geno played his version of 'Lights-Out', giving us a 9-8 season and lucked into the playoffs. Sure-nuff, we were 1 and out. At least with Lock, we don't know how he'll develop. The hints point at him having a reserve of creativity and steady resolve. Next year we'll have a new young QB prospect. I hope Lock stays to give that kid promising room to develop and us something worthy of rooting for.
That's where I stand. I'd offer Drew a one year contract with the promise of getting to compete with a rookie for the starting job for 10 million or so. Let Geno go, where I'm sure he'd get a good contract from someone.
What I like about Drew is his speed in all things. He gets the ball out faster, generally, and that makes a difference as to how plays play out. I notice a WR screen to DK was much crisper by Drew Lock than Geno. Drew can sling the ball, and if he can learn to control his desire to be a gunslinger, he could be Geno with a higher ceiling. That's pretty good.
Look at the number of teams historically and currently in contention with QBs on rookie or 1st contract. It’s pretty clear that a bad QB deal can handcuff you for years.
If I was the GM of the Seahawks I would draft a QB and take a bridge QB. Smith is 34 and will cost too much IMO get Drew or another at less than build the lines. Cut the dead wood ( safety position ) and players that don’t produce at their cap number.
The team lacks blue chip players. I would rather have 2 elite DL men than an elite QB. Look at Purdy. He is a top DL and Trent on the OL.
Lock is only on a one year deal so what will the Seahawks have to pay to sign him if he is going to be the brdige to whoever the Seahawks draft next year? OTOH, Geno won't hit his incentives so he will also be relatively cheap next season. As much as I would rather have Lock (on the contract Geno is on this season) than Geno next season, I have to think Lock would want a starter package in the 20 million/yr range with incentives over a multi-year deal. The Seahawks may be better off to 'ride with Geno' on his current deal for at least one more year depending on what else happens this season.
I honestly think Drew would get a better offer than that from someone else. But we will see what happens in the next three games and the playoffs--if it is Geno all the way and he is successful, that's one thing, but if he falters and Lock takes over, that is something else again. It is going to be exciting either way!
All of this seems so simple to me. Geno is under contract and Lock isn't. That means Geno will be here next year and Lock won't. There are always crazy, mysterious things that happen, but I think Lock gets a low end $tarting QB contract somewhere else and we get Geno for another year.
The Seahawks have been successful under PC and JS because they do things other teams don’t. All you need to do is look at is the 2012 draft and the grades.
They drafted a too small QB and a too big cornerback.
The way to get a competitive advantage is to have everyone call you dumb.
The Seahawks may have found a new route: once highly rated QBs on the trash heap.
They got Geno for cheap and Lock for cheaper.
Brady and Mahomes have skewed the market into thinking “you need a franchise QB”. Franchise QBs are great if you have Brady or Mahomes. But even guys like Rodgers and Brees only won 1 SB.
Would the hawks SB run been better off with the LOB in tact or paying RW?
I believe that QBs are overrated in the marketplace. Therefore, I would not be in favor of paying a QB top dollar and think it sets back the franchise unless it’s Brady (who was under paid) or Mahomes.
Seahawks are on the right path ... focus on building a team and get good QBs off the trash heap for cheap.
Every key member of the LOB signed at least a second contract. Bennett, Chancellor, Wright, and Wagner signed third deals. Only two of them worked out, which points to the risk of continuing to sign players on their career downside. Wilson, on the other hand, maintained peak performance: He was a perennial PBer for ten years with ratings ranging from 92.6-110.1.
JSPC handled that part of running the franchise correctly. They fell down on Day 2 drafts and unwillingness to compensate for that in free agency. Instead, they made a series of trades—some of which worked out and some of which didn’t but that together came with a steep opportunity cost.
Good points!
Thanks! I’d remiss if I didn’t recognize that PCJS probably wanted to keep Bruce Irvin.
Chris Rock once said that a man is as faithful as his options.At QB the Seahawks are as loyal as their options.
Not related to this article but last Monday night is a reason you don’t tank. What an inspiring moment. “I have not yet begun to fight”!-John Paul Jones
Congrats on the 1756, woo hoooo! Pretty awesome! Good comments and I have a thought to consider as well. Show casing both of our qbs and then possibly trading one of them for draft pick(s) and also drafting a qb. Hmmm, in my opinion, not a bad scenario.
The possibilities are close to infinite. Yes, it is both interesting and significant to the future of our team. Up to a point. But just up to a point. A team can go from broken by bad drafts to the frontrunner for the SB in a matter of weeks. I bring you SF after busting with Lance to Purdy. Who would have thunk it? If Geno busts, and Lock, too, we could pick up McGeouh and instantly get transformed.
That's why I advocate for drafting more than one.
Oh, on TV sometime today is none other than Grayson McCall.
Actually, No Grayson. He transferred to a different college. So, he not playing but his replacement looks like he could develop into a good QB.
That’s a LOT of data. I think you got it mostly right with your comment about the relationship of elite QB’s and stabilizing a franchise, making them contenders for many years. It’s the issue of the QB cost (regardless of expense, your words) that erodes stability. After winning a Super Bowl it seems most players want to stick around for the ride the following year. But after two seasons going deep into the playoffs, those supporting cast players want to get paid too, thus begins the money erosion. I think TB12 and the Pats are an anomaly, if they knew that secret formula, then the hawks might be on the path of multiple rings.
I think starting from scratch at the QB position next season, the hawks would have very hard time getting a better record than this season; keep one or both and be on the lookout for a hidden gem in the draft. I’m thankful they didn’t go for Watson, or Mayfield in the past.
They keep saying QB is the most important role on a team. I say turn over every friggin’ rock till you find a good one. May the 12s be with you and Go Seahawks!🏈🏈🏈🏈
This is where the frustration of not playing Lock earlier and possibly dropping him for Geno again this week sets in. As I’ve said before, Geno ain’t it, and Lock has looked equivalent to Geno in the 2 games he’s played (2 games v 2 seasons!). We could have really used a few more games of Lock to see where our best decision at QB lies. In my humble opinion, I think Lock has more up-side than Geno. But is he our future? We don’t know coz we haven’t been able to see enough of him. Right now, as things stand, the best thing to do would be to keep the cheaper option of Lock and Geno and try our best in the draft to pick up a franchise QB (but personally, I would keep Lock regardless due to him having more potential - so long as a reasonable ‘try-out’ contract can be negotiated). I think it would be a waste of time and $ to keep both.
At some point, being a QB requires you can pull rabbits out of your hat. Be it sad play calling due to a slow OC or a dull HC, your fellow players will demand to see something exceptional generated. Geno appears too much a company man, requiring a whole lot of things come together, uh, next week. "We'll do better/it's on me" doesn't cut it soon enough. Last year, Geno played his version of 'Lights-Out', giving us a 9-8 season and lucked into the playoffs. Sure-nuff, we were 1 and out. At least with Lock, we don't know how he'll develop. The hints point at him having a reserve of creativity and steady resolve. Next year we'll have a new young QB prospect. I hope Lock stays to give that kid promising room to develop and us something worthy of rooting for.
That's where I stand. I'd offer Drew a one year contract with the promise of getting to compete with a rookie for the starting job for 10 million or so. Let Geno go, where I'm sure he'd get a good contract from someone.
What I like about Drew is his speed in all things. He gets the ball out faster, generally, and that makes a difference as to how plays play out. I notice a WR screen to DK was much crisper by Drew Lock than Geno. Drew can sling the ball, and if he can learn to control his desire to be a gunslinger, he could be Geno with a higher ceiling. That's pretty good.
Look at the number of teams historically and currently in contention with QBs on rookie or 1st contract. It’s pretty clear that a bad QB deal can handcuff you for years.
If I was the GM of the Seahawks I would draft a QB and take a bridge QB. Smith is 34 and will cost too much IMO get Drew or another at less than build the lines. Cut the dead wood ( safety position ) and players that don’t produce at their cap number.
The team lacks blue chip players. I would rather have 2 elite DL men than an elite QB. Look at Purdy. He is a top DL and Trent on the OL.
Lock is only on a one year deal so what will the Seahawks have to pay to sign him if he is going to be the brdige to whoever the Seahawks draft next year? OTOH, Geno won't hit his incentives so he will also be relatively cheap next season. As much as I would rather have Lock (on the contract Geno is on this season) than Geno next season, I have to think Lock would want a starter package in the 20 million/yr range with incentives over a multi-year deal. The Seahawks may be better off to 'ride with Geno' on his current deal for at least one more year depending on what else happens this season.
A one year deal similar to Geno's contract when he competed for the job with Drew last year. I think that was 7 million with some incentives.
I honestly think Drew would get a better offer than that from someone else. But we will see what happens in the next three games and the playoffs--if it is Geno all the way and he is successful, that's one thing, but if he falters and Lock takes over, that is something else again. It is going to be exciting either way!