I am fine with keeping Geno now- He has done Ok to date. The one thing I will say negative, is he doesn't have that top Five see it /do it Grasp! Watching the all 22 -there are several times "per Game" that it's there, But for some reason he just doesn't see it, or he lets go too late and either its behind ,over the top or thrown to the wrong guy usually late! That is a Brain thing that some people have and some just don't. I believe Geno is a good QB, but doesn't have that quick twitch brain thing that makes the greats, Great! ( Or the very good ones very good )! Although with an Improved O-line , who knows he could scoot close to being a top ten NFL QB. I guess we are about to see , maybe?
The stats/analysts prove their case that Geno has been a top 10 QB the last 2 years - and that he’s achieved this despite a mixed bag of handicaps (bottom of league defense, chaotic offensive line, meh offensive coordinator) and advantages great weapons, relatively healthy.
Last year, detractors commonly said Geno wasn’t clutch. Geno proved the opposite to be true this season. Instead of updating their priors, they now say Geno can’t win a Super Bowl, based on no more factual evidence than the “he isn’t clutch.” It is easy to assume that Geno’s athletic performance will decline because he’s on the wrong side of 30, but he’s unique in his ratio of mental vs physical game reps. We actually don’t know if he’s at his ceiling, floor, or somewhere in between.
Midway through this season, he dramatically improved his time-to-throw, and proved he’s still capable of meaningful athletic performance improvement.
Still another criticism that routinely shows up in Geno threads has to do with his lack of- for want of a better word - charisma… or leadership. But there is plenty of evidence that his teammates really play for him - and that he’s able to elevate the players around him (Drew Lock, Eagles, it’s a meme.)
If Geno is “who we thought he was” - another common put down - he wouldn’t have been named Comeback Player of the Year or made it to 2 Pro Bowls. He’s obviously not who his loudest detractors think he is.
He’s one of one, both in terms of his career arc and in terms of his motivations. He’s the only top 10 veteran QB on a team-friendly deal. That makes him much more valuable to the team than many alternatives.
I don’t think Geno is a player who will dominate a game and win by brute force. But I also don’t think those players are necessarily quarterbacks. I think Aaron Donald was that player for the Rams a couple years back. I think Kam Chancellor was that
player in 2014 for the Seahawks. So I don’t think he has to be, for the Seahawks to improve dramatically and compete in this division and beyond.
You can’t have 6 or 7 4th qtr comebacks in a season in this league and not be good. It’s simply mutually exclusive and that’s that. Also I’ve said this a million times in these threads but if anyone is mid-low, it was the OC. Geno is mid to high. Not elite. Mid-high. Also we beat Detroit in a year in which the whole coaching staff was let go. /fin.
I may be wrong, wouldn’t be the first time, but I refuse to believe that. JS and this new coaching staff have a hitched their wagon to a tried, and true Steady Eddie Quarterback. The Steady
Eddie’s are pretty good they’re just not quite good enough. There has to be something else going on, doesn’t there, doesn’t there?
I see them re-signing Lock AND drafting a QB after R1. The new QB can learn for 2-3 years while we get the most out of Geno/Drew. There’s no rush on the rookie unless he pulls a RW3 in camp as a number 1.
Money talks and the money says Geno is under center for the next year.
Yes they can still trade him but that is 9 million in cap space with a resulting negative cap hit of more than 4 million is a lot to pay for a pick that would likely be outside the top 50.
I agree that the price is steep, but what if JS could get a top 50 pick? I can't see anything happening in the first round, but might a team in the top half of the 2nd give up their pick? I'm not sure precisely where everyone is picking in the 2nd, but I'm looking at Atlanta primarily, and also Denver, Las Vegas, New Orleans as options. He'd be a super cheap above average option for one of those teams (since we'd be paying a large chunk of his salary).
This would be a good idea for a Seaside Joe article. What teams might realistically be interested in Geno, and what kind of a deal could they make?
Love the options this provides. Does not dictate what JS must do. It gives him options. Like his old boss and employer. Something he’s wanted for years. Gives Macdonald and Grubb time to evaluate, especially considering Grubb was preparing for college not an NFL draft.
Geno might not be a Super Bowl "winning" QB, but he could be a Super Bowl "not losing" QB. There have been the smatterings of QBs who were on SB winning teams that were not dynamic league MVP guys. Yes, Geno has had too many cringe-worthy sacks and turnover-worthy plays, but he has been very accurate and clutch-ish for leading comeback wins. Give the guy a defense and see what we can do. He is also paid a very reasonable price for an above-average QB, even after these bonuses kick-in.
I like the idea of keeping him, signing Drew, and drafting a QB. Then, as someone else said above, rinse and repeat to maximize the play at the position until we get a superstar there. However, if we trade him for a mini-haul, I'll back John for that, too.
I always kind of wondered if there was consideration in the Williams trade that we might get our second (or at least more draft capitol) back because of some of the levers we needed to pull this spring with some of our veterans. Now that’s coming from a novice who self admittedly has a lot to learn about football and even more so about the draft and salary cap. It is an interesting thought that they keep both quarterbacks - I guess I thought lock might want his shot elsewhere so the discussion was always going to be either/or. I think this makes complete sense in terms of positioning ourselves for a return and even in some ways a potential gamble that yeah, we might have to pay a little bit, but we recognize the value in draft capital and we are putting ourselves in a position to get that. I would argue there are teams who would pay for Geno and at the end of the day they only need one. I would still rather ride with lock next year and benefit from those savings without knowing if they see our QOTF in this years draft.
There are still so many what if scenarios around this news that it's almost irrelevant (not that we shouldn't care or talk about it, because we should). I guess this just tells me that Geno and his contract hold decent value to the team still, which is a good thing. The value to the Seahawks as either a player or trade commodity is greater than or equal to his guaranteed 2024 salary.
I suppose the new coaching staff could still want to see Drew in a competition with Geno, but I suspect Schneider has already made up his mind on their relative values. If Lock signs with us again it will be because he's either resigned himself to career back up status, or he's been given assurances the rest of us don't know about yet.
I like this way better than spending a 2nd round, or any round, pick on Fields. Geno is solid, but not great. Build him a better line and improve the defense and he could have a season like Purdy just had. Hopefully with a different ending.
The definition of insanity is " doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. "Geno is not a SB quality QB. And being affordable doesn't make him one. We should resign Lock, save millions in cap space and draft a young QB.
We have a new coaching staff , new offensive schemes and we need a new QB in the richest QB class in years.
This was a no brainer decision. Happy for my guy Geno as he deserves it. Played great in 2023 under tough circumstances with no line or defense. Never complained once just kept his head down, worked hard and finished the season on fire.
I do think there is some tension as JS has been rumored to be a Lock guy, so a trade could happen.
I love the new term getting tossed around "Bridge" QB. Who in the NFL is a "bridge" QB and who in the NFL isn't a "bridge" QB? Cracks me up. Everyone is a bridge QB a certain point.
Was RW a "bridge" QB in Denver?
How many QBs that start week 1 in 2024 will also start week 1 in 2029 (5 years out) ... Does that mean that 90% of the league have "bridge" QBs.
Let's just go with the best QB. Sure, having a plan for 5 years out should also happen. But we don't need to refer to QBs as bridges. Geno is only 34 (with 2 years left on a team friendly and cheap deal) and by at least one non-Seahawk opinion the 8th best QB in the league:
I guess “bridge” is shorthand for “we don’t really believe in this guy, but he’s better than the alternative.” As I’ve written before, the Bears have been building a bridge since about 1947.
Yeah ... It's funny. I bet they didn't feel that way a number of times. Which is also kind of my point.
Was Aaron Rodgers a "bridge" QB when they drafted Jordan Love?
Personally, I think the default position should be that your organization is always looking for QBs. I like the GB model. Even NE was able to trade Jimmy G.
Draft, develop, trade or start. Rinse, repeat. It is also insurance in case the starter goes down.
You don't need a "franchise" QB for 10 years. If it happens great, but otherwise keep drafting and developing. Play the best player and do it again the next year.
I like it. Sends a fair message to the other guys that Corporate honors their commitments, implied or express. Call it "The Culture" that JS referred to keeping. It also challenges Geno to answer the other challenges to his "leadership", which was mostly missing all year. Can he find the "It" factor so crucial to the QB position when spurring hard play into championship play? It also signals to Lock he is best positioned to stepping in as QB1 next year, as the new Coach can do what he see's best. Knowing these 2 guys can keep us competitive allows them the latitude to go draft a bridge QB who will want to play for a winner: enter a dynamic talent who steps in late in the season. And who knows? Lock may surprise everyone. Or Geno. It seems this is a trend in the League lately, as we watch 'has-beens' finding new life. In any event, I can see many upsides to this development. Smart.
I am fine with keeping Geno now- He has done Ok to date. The one thing I will say negative, is he doesn't have that top Five see it /do it Grasp! Watching the all 22 -there are several times "per Game" that it's there, But for some reason he just doesn't see it, or he lets go too late and either its behind ,over the top or thrown to the wrong guy usually late! That is a Brain thing that some people have and some just don't. I believe Geno is a good QB, but doesn't have that quick twitch brain thing that makes the greats, Great! ( Or the very good ones very good )! Although with an Improved O-line , who knows he could scoot close to being a top ten NFL QB. I guess we are about to see , maybe?
The stats/analysts prove their case that Geno has been a top 10 QB the last 2 years - and that he’s achieved this despite a mixed bag of handicaps (bottom of league defense, chaotic offensive line, meh offensive coordinator) and advantages great weapons, relatively healthy.
Last year, detractors commonly said Geno wasn’t clutch. Geno proved the opposite to be true this season. Instead of updating their priors, they now say Geno can’t win a Super Bowl, based on no more factual evidence than the “he isn’t clutch.” It is easy to assume that Geno’s athletic performance will decline because he’s on the wrong side of 30, but he’s unique in his ratio of mental vs physical game reps. We actually don’t know if he’s at his ceiling, floor, or somewhere in between.
Midway through this season, he dramatically improved his time-to-throw, and proved he’s still capable of meaningful athletic performance improvement.
Still another criticism that routinely shows up in Geno threads has to do with his lack of- for want of a better word - charisma… or leadership. But there is plenty of evidence that his teammates really play for him - and that he’s able to elevate the players around him (Drew Lock, Eagles, it’s a meme.)
If Geno is “who we thought he was” - another common put down - he wouldn’t have been named Comeback Player of the Year or made it to 2 Pro Bowls. He’s obviously not who his loudest detractors think he is.
He’s one of one, both in terms of his career arc and in terms of his motivations. He’s the only top 10 veteran QB on a team-friendly deal. That makes him much more valuable to the team than many alternatives.
I don’t think Geno is a player who will dominate a game and win by brute force. But I also don’t think those players are necessarily quarterbacks. I think Aaron Donald was that player for the Rams a couple years back. I think Kam Chancellor was that
player in 2014 for the Seahawks. So I don’t think he has to be, for the Seahawks to improve dramatically and compete in this division and beyond.
You can’t have 6 or 7 4th qtr comebacks in a season in this league and not be good. It’s simply mutually exclusive and that’s that. Also I’ve said this a million times in these threads but if anyone is mid-low, it was the OC. Geno is mid to high. Not elite. Mid-high. Also we beat Detroit in a year in which the whole coaching staff was let go. /fin.
I may be wrong, wouldn’t be the first time, but I refuse to believe that. JS and this new coaching staff have a hitched their wagon to a tried, and true Steady Eddie Quarterback. The Steady
Eddie’s are pretty good they’re just not quite good enough. There has to be something else going on, doesn’t there, doesn’t there?
I see them re-signing Lock AND drafting a QB after R1. The new QB can learn for 2-3 years while we get the most out of Geno/Drew. There’s no rush on the rookie unless he pulls a RW3 in camp as a number 1.
That’s all just made me feel a bit flat. I think we need a fresh start at QB. Hopefully it’s Lock.
Money talks and the money says Geno is under center for the next year.
Yes they can still trade him but that is 9 million in cap space with a resulting negative cap hit of more than 4 million is a lot to pay for a pick that would likely be outside the top 50.
I agree that the price is steep, but what if JS could get a top 50 pick? I can't see anything happening in the first round, but might a team in the top half of the 2nd give up their pick? I'm not sure precisely where everyone is picking in the 2nd, but I'm looking at Atlanta primarily, and also Denver, Las Vegas, New Orleans as options. He'd be a super cheap above average option for one of those teams (since we'd be paying a large chunk of his salary).
This would be a good idea for a Seaside Joe article. What teams might realistically be interested in Geno, and what kind of a deal could they make?
Love the options this provides. Does not dictate what JS must do. It gives him options. Like his old boss and employer. Something he’s wanted for years. Gives Macdonald and Grubb time to evaluate, especially considering Grubb was preparing for college not an NFL draft.
Geno might not be a Super Bowl "winning" QB, but he could be a Super Bowl "not losing" QB. There have been the smatterings of QBs who were on SB winning teams that were not dynamic league MVP guys. Yes, Geno has had too many cringe-worthy sacks and turnover-worthy plays, but he has been very accurate and clutch-ish for leading comeback wins. Give the guy a defense and see what we can do. He is also paid a very reasonable price for an above-average QB, even after these bonuses kick-in.
I like the idea of keeping him, signing Drew, and drafting a QB. Then, as someone else said above, rinse and repeat to maximize the play at the position until we get a superstar there. However, if we trade him for a mini-haul, I'll back John for that, too.
We tend to agree allot!
I always kind of wondered if there was consideration in the Williams trade that we might get our second (or at least more draft capitol) back because of some of the levers we needed to pull this spring with some of our veterans. Now that’s coming from a novice who self admittedly has a lot to learn about football and even more so about the draft and salary cap. It is an interesting thought that they keep both quarterbacks - I guess I thought lock might want his shot elsewhere so the discussion was always going to be either/or. I think this makes complete sense in terms of positioning ourselves for a return and even in some ways a potential gamble that yeah, we might have to pay a little bit, but we recognize the value in draft capital and we are putting ourselves in a position to get that. I would argue there are teams who would pay for Geno and at the end of the day they only need one. I would still rather ride with lock next year and benefit from those savings without knowing if they see our QOTF in this years draft.
Also did anyone hear Grubbs presser today where he said he is excited to coach both Geno and Drew? Probably reading into it.
There are still so many what if scenarios around this news that it's almost irrelevant (not that we shouldn't care or talk about it, because we should). I guess this just tells me that Geno and his contract hold decent value to the team still, which is a good thing. The value to the Seahawks as either a player or trade commodity is greater than or equal to his guaranteed 2024 salary.
I suppose the new coaching staff could still want to see Drew in a competition with Geno, but I suspect Schneider has already made up his mind on their relative values. If Lock signs with us again it will be because he's either resigned himself to career back up status, or he's been given assurances the rest of us don't know about yet.
I like this way better than spending a 2nd round, or any round, pick on Fields. Geno is solid, but not great. Build him a better line and improve the defense and he could have a season like Purdy just had. Hopefully with a different ending.
The definition of insanity is " doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. "Geno is not a SB quality QB. And being affordable doesn't make him one. We should resign Lock, save millions in cap space and draft a young QB.
We have a new coaching staff , new offensive schemes and we need a new QB in the richest QB class in years.
I think they might view Geno as a bridge QB. A new QB sitting and learning for a year is a good thing.
This tells me that neither Schneider nor Macdonald see Lock as a FT starter, and that they don’t want the offense to spin its wheels for a year.
This was a no brainer decision. Happy for my guy Geno as he deserves it. Played great in 2023 under tough circumstances with no line or defense. Never complained once just kept his head down, worked hard and finished the season on fire.
I do think there is some tension as JS has been rumored to be a Lock guy, so a trade could happen.
I love the new term getting tossed around "Bridge" QB. Who in the NFL is a "bridge" QB and who in the NFL isn't a "bridge" QB? Cracks me up. Everyone is a bridge QB a certain point.
Was RW a "bridge" QB in Denver?
How many QBs that start week 1 in 2024 will also start week 1 in 2029 (5 years out) ... Does that mean that 90% of the league have "bridge" QBs.
Let's just go with the best QB. Sure, having a plan for 5 years out should also happen. But we don't need to refer to QBs as bridges. Geno is only 34 (with 2 years left on a team friendly and cheap deal) and by at least one non-Seahawk opinion the 8th best QB in the league:
https://x.com/CigarThoughts/status/1757807640569315775?s=20
I guess “bridge” is shorthand for “we don’t really believe in this guy, but he’s better than the alternative.” As I’ve written before, the Bears have been building a bridge since about 1947.
Yeah ... It's funny. I bet they didn't feel that way a number of times. Which is also kind of my point.
Was Aaron Rodgers a "bridge" QB when they drafted Jordan Love?
Personally, I think the default position should be that your organization is always looking for QBs. I like the GB model. Even NE was able to trade Jimmy G.
Draft, develop, trade or start. Rinse, repeat. It is also insurance in case the starter goes down.
You don't need a "franchise" QB for 10 years. If it happens great, but otherwise keep drafting and developing. Play the best player and do it again the next year.
3 QBs on the roster all next season here we go
I like it. Sends a fair message to the other guys that Corporate honors their commitments, implied or express. Call it "The Culture" that JS referred to keeping. It also challenges Geno to answer the other challenges to his "leadership", which was mostly missing all year. Can he find the "It" factor so crucial to the QB position when spurring hard play into championship play? It also signals to Lock he is best positioned to stepping in as QB1 next year, as the new Coach can do what he see's best. Knowing these 2 guys can keep us competitive allows them the latitude to go draft a bridge QB who will want to play for a winner: enter a dynamic talent who steps in late in the season. And who knows? Lock may surprise everyone. Or Geno. It seems this is a trend in the League lately, as we watch 'has-beens' finding new life. In any event, I can see many upsides to this development. Smart.
Isn’t Lock a UFA?