Hmm. I do wish we were able to churn more consistent run yards on a per play basis with our RBs. It feels more effective than the year before but I still that there's more to be had. We have too many 5-8 yard runs, followed by -3-0 yard runs.
I can't tell if that's an RB or line issue but maybe others have an opinion
Walker for the year is at 78 attempts, 364 yards and 4.7 yards per attempt. Extrapolating the data he finishes at 221 attempts and 1031 yards. His attempts per game are at 13 which is consistent with his previous years. His production is similar to his rookie season.
Here is where Walker ranks across the league:
- Big runs: #1 with 5 Big runs.
- Broken tackles: #7 with 7 broken tackles.
- Yards after contact: #22 and 1.8 yards after contact.
- Yards before contact: #12 and 2.9 yards before contact.
Derrick Henry, a tough runner, is at 1.8 yards after contact and 2 broken tackles. Note, Henry has 10 more rushing attempts than Walker.
Cam Skattebo, another tough runner, is at 1.8 yards after contact and 6 broken tackles. Note, Cam has a few more rushing attempts than Walker.
Saquon Barkley, last year's top rusher, is at 95 attempts, 325 yards and 3.4 yards per attempt. I don't think Barkley is any more washed up than he was at the end of his Giants tenure.
I think Walker is a fine running back for our Seahawks and I am happy he is on this team.
I took a look at Zach Charbonnet's stats as well however they are very poor this year, so I did not list them. I still feel he is a vital member of this team.
The run game lacks any misdirection or originality. Seems like most sets have a single back, and when Brady Russell is there he is creating little or nothing. Ouzts needs to get healthy STAT. K9 is sent too often between the tackles. Unless he finds a big seam, that's not his strength. He's underused as a receiver so the D knows what to expect. Lastly, the O line has done well in pass protection but they are blowing no one out in the run game. Anybody tracking what AB is doing or not doing? Is he 330 lbs of dog that won't hunt? Charbs has been toughin' out a few nice runs and is good at dragging D linemen in the scrums. He's a beast.
I haven’t seen the updated stats but after the game, we had a qb pressure on 50% of Trevor Lawerence’s dropbacks. I think the qb hits were bound to be a Seahawks record. All with rushing 4 most all game, in spite of occasionally sending in a LB or corner and dropping a DL into coverage. If Julian Love and Spoon get back, I can only imagine how good this D can be.
Sam Darnold and JSN are playing at levels we only dreamed of our qb playing when Pete was fired. And this is coming from a guy who was sad when Pete was fired but there’s no doubt in my mind that we would be running Geno out there if he hadn’t been. Sam Darnold is special. There’s a lot of football left to be played and guys get injured, but this team is potentially a Super Bowl contender. And we’re still a season away from being as good as we can be.
Funny how the preseason narratives have all been flipped on their axis. Trading Geno and DK was a downgrade at both QB and WR. Kupp and JSN are both slot receivers and can't coexist, or are redundant. JSN is better in the slot, and isn't a true #1 outside receiver. Kupp is washed up. Seattle's offense didn't have enough complementary pieces to go with JSN. On and on it went.
Now, comparing QB's in two different years, in two different systems is probably not fair....but I think it's at least reasonable to say Sam Darnold is not a downgrade from Geno. I'd argue upgrade, but certainly not a downgrade, and I think that position is defendable.
JSN is thriving wherever you line him up, and is playing complementary football with Coop just fine thank you very much. Kupp has been a great influence on JSN IMO, and has done more than play pretty well beside him. And, contrary to public opinion, he has plenty left in the tank. He may never be a true #1 again, but he's a solid secondary option. And with Horton, Barner, and Arroyo as complimentary pieces, there seems to more than enough to add to what JSN brings every game.
I expect Kubiak to grow in his OC role as well. He's only in year 3 in that role and is still relatively young, so just like everyone else, plenty of room to get better.
It may not be fair to comparea QB in 2 different systems, but it's what analysts and media outlets did all off-season when saying Seattle didn't have a Justin Jefferson, Addison, Hockenson, or as good a line as Minnesota, so Darnold had major questions. Now, they are changing their tunes. We are all trapped by (wrapped up in?) the present, or "slaves to the moment" as they say, to some degree. Folks who create football content for a loving tend to be moreso since they have money to lose if they lose eyes and ears.
Turns out we don't need JJ, Addison, or TJHock; and our line has been pretty good so far. Or at least they have been schemed for success more than Minnesota's has.
SJ is a voice of reason and temperance within the cacophony of football voices shouting loud and waving arms to get our attention.
Commanders lost to the Bears as well. It seems like a wide open year. If we're playing our best football in the back half of the year, it will be there for the taking.
Some say "pOtato" and some say "IdahoFred". The fact he understands what losing the "Top 26:39 to 33:21" means impressed me...I have no clue. And I share Paul G's concern on 1st and 2nd downs.Those early down gains open up the playbook (duh right?). Stu Wilson has a very good point on those edge plays (ie: anyone who agrees with me obviously has a very good point). More straight ahead between the tackles and less wide runs and passes to the flat behind the line of scrimmage (which often result in lost yards). I'm pretty sure everyone has that one figured out. If Kubiak reads Seaside Joe, the running game AND early down gains should improve right?
Second item on Darnold. First thanks for some of those numbers. Trevor and SD guarantees the same….For me a QB, needs to be over 60% completion, over 10 yards per reception. SD is over 10 yards per pass not just receptions. That’s amazing with a 70% completion. Fields btw net negative passing yards due to the sacks. Fields, who many wanted to come to Seattle, could muster 50 yards passing. -11 yards of passing offense. Ouch.
First JSN just something. And all those stats. Wow. But one thing he will never have. He will never have the top 3 all-time highlights in Seahawks history of absolutely crushing a piece of trash DB sending him into tomorrow (back then Harden would have gone into concussion protocol), caused fumble, recover fumble play. :-). But unbelievable. Said before he’s got some Doug Baldwin attuned to QB combined with Tyler Locket body and foot control. Just please don’t have the DK stupidity. Ugh.
Walker has no power to speak of, and Charbonnet is slower than the vast majority of the number one RB's throughout the league. He is not more powerful than most other RB's but he has improved in that area and we'll see how much he keeps improving. That's how I feel about our running backs. The guy on IR, and George Holani and the RB on our practice squad are all faster than Charbs and might produce better results except there is no doubt Charbs is our best at pass protection and as a third down back because of that.
Have we any word on Jerrin Reed's injury yesterday? I have it in my head that the harder we must fight, the more injuries we amass. I 'felt' the team began idling back somewhere in the 3rd quarter both to minimize further harm and take advantage of a 2 score buffer. Seems Pete did this also, giving us our close finishes. Trouble is, once idled back, I don't see anyone revving back up. Most likely I am wrong in this. Also, are there stats on counting 3rd downs? How many per game/per drive. The Rams seemed good at getting to First in 2 downs or less. Could A.I. chart an easy answer?
I haven't heard or read anything about Reed's injury. They tested his knee on the field, but I haven't heard boo since then. I assume it's not serious, as Mike MacDonald didn't say anything yesterday in his press conference.....not that he usually talks about injuries that early in the week, but you'd think if it was significant he would have mentioned it.
I've gone through the play logs on ESPN, and I can't find a since first down on 3rd downs. The game book says they were 4/16 on 3rd down, but I don't know how they came up with that. They had a TD on 3rd down, so maybe that counts. I see 8 first-downs on 1st down, and 5 on 2nd down. 0 on 3rd and 0 on 4th down.
Third-down efficiency is definitely something we can improve on.....mostly by staying on schedule on 1st and 2nd down.
Thnx Chris. I'm surprised we aren't hearing about Reed. Considering his very vocal leadership, it's shameful. Also, it seems the number of 3rd downs is a good game measure for any O.C. Adopt a mindset of 5 yard minimums over this 3.5 yards that seems prevalent. 16 third downs has me visualizing us crawling downfield over marching downfield. Never mind succeeding a mere 4 times. Something is off, as 16 implies 16 drives which did not happen. Anyway, the question is out there.
JSN spinning ball was only thing he got called for...he was taunting several times throughout the game. This is not new, I've seen him barking in the faces of beaten defenders, jumping around quickly from one to another staring each beaten defender in the face, looking back and waving at beaten defenders...I love me some confidence, but he's putting himself above the team at times and I can't stand that stuff but dang he's good.
Rough game. Rough humor. High emotions. It's Football. Nice guys get to exercise their alter ego. I'm good with the Refs riding herd on unbridled passions, (aka Branch in the Lion's game last night) but getting nitpicky hurts the Game. A flag could be tossed on any and all plays. And yeah, Refs can get pissy, too. It's why they stringently police themselves, especially when it affects outcomes. They elevate their allstars to playoff games. The Super Bowl employs only the best of the best (used to have beers with one). Truth is, even their influence I consider a part of the game. Complications- I love them.
Hmm. I do wish we were able to churn more consistent run yards on a per play basis with our RBs. It feels more effective than the year before but I still that there's more to be had. We have too many 5-8 yard runs, followed by -3-0 yard runs.
I can't tell if that's an RB or line issue but maybe others have an opinion
I took a look at some rushing statistics.
Walker for the year is at 78 attempts, 364 yards and 4.7 yards per attempt. Extrapolating the data he finishes at 221 attempts and 1031 yards. His attempts per game are at 13 which is consistent with his previous years. His production is similar to his rookie season.
Here is where Walker ranks across the league:
- Big runs: #1 with 5 Big runs.
- Broken tackles: #7 with 7 broken tackles.
- Yards after contact: #22 and 1.8 yards after contact.
- Yards before contact: #12 and 2.9 yards before contact.
Derrick Henry, a tough runner, is at 1.8 yards after contact and 2 broken tackles. Note, Henry has 10 more rushing attempts than Walker.
Cam Skattebo, another tough runner, is at 1.8 yards after contact and 6 broken tackles. Note, Cam has a few more rushing attempts than Walker.
Saquon Barkley, last year's top rusher, is at 95 attempts, 325 yards and 3.4 yards per attempt. I don't think Barkley is any more washed up than he was at the end of his Giants tenure.
I think Walker is a fine running back for our Seahawks and I am happy he is on this team.
I took a look at Zach Charbonnet's stats as well however they are very poor this year, so I did not list them. I still feel he is a vital member of this team.
The run game lacks any misdirection or originality. Seems like most sets have a single back, and when Brady Russell is there he is creating little or nothing. Ouzts needs to get healthy STAT. K9 is sent too often between the tackles. Unless he finds a big seam, that's not his strength. He's underused as a receiver so the D knows what to expect. Lastly, the O line has done well in pass protection but they are blowing no one out in the run game. Anybody tracking what AB is doing or not doing? Is he 330 lbs of dog that won't hunt? Charbs has been toughin' out a few nice runs and is good at dragging D linemen in the scrums. He's a beast.
I haven’t seen the updated stats but after the game, we had a qb pressure on 50% of Trevor Lawerence’s dropbacks. I think the qb hits were bound to be a Seahawks record. All with rushing 4 most all game, in spite of occasionally sending in a LB or corner and dropping a DL into coverage. If Julian Love and Spoon get back, I can only imagine how good this D can be.
Sam Darnold and JSN are playing at levels we only dreamed of our qb playing when Pete was fired. And this is coming from a guy who was sad when Pete was fired but there’s no doubt in my mind that we would be running Geno out there if he hadn’t been. Sam Darnold is special. There’s a lot of football left to be played and guys get injured, but this team is potentially a Super Bowl contender. And we’re still a season away from being as good as we can be.
Funny how the preseason narratives have all been flipped on their axis. Trading Geno and DK was a downgrade at both QB and WR. Kupp and JSN are both slot receivers and can't coexist, or are redundant. JSN is better in the slot, and isn't a true #1 outside receiver. Kupp is washed up. Seattle's offense didn't have enough complementary pieces to go with JSN. On and on it went.
Now, comparing QB's in two different years, in two different systems is probably not fair....but I think it's at least reasonable to say Sam Darnold is not a downgrade from Geno. I'd argue upgrade, but certainly not a downgrade, and I think that position is defendable.
JSN is thriving wherever you line him up, and is playing complementary football with Coop just fine thank you very much. Kupp has been a great influence on JSN IMO, and has done more than play pretty well beside him. And, contrary to public opinion, he has plenty left in the tank. He may never be a true #1 again, but he's a solid secondary option. And with Horton, Barner, and Arroyo as complimentary pieces, there seems to more than enough to add to what JSN brings every game.
I expect Kubiak to grow in his OC role as well. He's only in year 3 in that role and is still relatively young, so just like everyone else, plenty of room to get better.
It may not be fair to comparea QB in 2 different systems, but it's what analysts and media outlets did all off-season when saying Seattle didn't have a Justin Jefferson, Addison, Hockenson, or as good a line as Minnesota, so Darnold had major questions. Now, they are changing their tunes. We are all trapped by (wrapped up in?) the present, or "slaves to the moment" as they say, to some degree. Folks who create football content for a loving tend to be moreso since they have money to lose if they lose eyes and ears.
Turns out we don't need JJ, Addison, or TJHock; and our line has been pretty good so far. Or at least they have been schemed for success more than Minnesota's has.
SJ is a voice of reason and temperance within the cacophony of football voices shouting loud and waving arms to get our attention.
So many typos. Smh. Sorry
This is crazy. The Hawks beat the Bills.
Commanders lost to the Bears as well. It seems like a wide open year. If we're playing our best football in the back half of the year, it will be there for the taking.
Will we see %50 stacked boxes when Ouzts comes back?
We've been seeing it pretty steadily already.
10-3 Mariners in the top of the ninth. I'm calling it, Mariners will be 2-0 and getting closer to the first World Series EV-ER!
Some say "pOtato" and some say "IdahoFred". The fact he understands what losing the "Top 26:39 to 33:21" means impressed me...I have no clue. And I share Paul G's concern on 1st and 2nd downs.Those early down gains open up the playbook (duh right?). Stu Wilson has a very good point on those edge plays (ie: anyone who agrees with me obviously has a very good point). More straight ahead between the tackles and less wide runs and passes to the flat behind the line of scrimmage (which often result in lost yards). I'm pretty sure everyone has that one figured out. If Kubiak reads Seaside Joe, the running game AND early down gains should improve right?
Yeowza, the Titans fired their head coach!
Third. Yes our OLine still needs work. But, and hope this comes through, our OLine isn’t this bad and hasn’t been. https://links.e1.nytimes.com/a/click?_t=1d75fd3a730a463c8648bd84293b832a&_m=17fdf59c758b4ae4abbba67e158d8b3e&_e=LZyJr-mFRCc8hIZChFXfdQ4ib0UgbyfJgD6QyMm6iswQDQObLr5zapwkHobyFpeNB0ha_kNLxpYLRmDvNlXBvATA6HcFe8J1o47KHqY7Xx5zC1DTPNZyFZ_w52MN9ljLdCgom4FNhMPt9phJnoe3rLochtreM7iGibW1iE_ZL99JYbxQ3llbHoEI47nni4V5YKLMQDBeXklv9VsdxWSsUy0CthKrJDrUN-OFZ6QbUONC_eAMUnpn3eGhwRZJw8pLtqoj3HgnGJIS8iQRdBDV2Xcm9CMl6-E4d4DW10FcFy2ATWg37BU9pbFSA8lb3b-6QkfPDV7JLb9qFJZG9bDAkPdj9CwSHIgofyMY0bNmGGW7ICge2HSXPkco_MevliZMPdiv_Ul8grCGb0YV2BofXZ_BNwXKBH3nPdG3UaKZ4zg%3D
The index of articles came through but the articles themselves are behind a paywall/ free-trial-agreement-wall
Yeah wasn’t the article so much video of Raiders absolutely destroying Titans oline and swarming Cam Ward.
Second item on Darnold. First thanks for some of those numbers. Trevor and SD guarantees the same….For me a QB, needs to be over 60% completion, over 10 yards per reception. SD is over 10 yards per pass not just receptions. That’s amazing with a 70% completion. Fields btw net negative passing yards due to the sacks. Fields, who many wanted to come to Seattle, could muster 50 yards passing. -11 yards of passing offense. Ouch.
First JSN just something. And all those stats. Wow. But one thing he will never have. He will never have the top 3 all-time highlights in Seahawks history of absolutely crushing a piece of trash DB sending him into tomorrow (back then Harden would have gone into concussion protocol), caused fumble, recover fumble play. :-). But unbelievable. Said before he’s got some Doug Baldwin attuned to QB combined with Tyler Locket body and foot control. Just please don’t have the DK stupidity. Ugh.
Walker has no power to speak of, and Charbonnet is slower than the vast majority of the number one RB's throughout the league. He is not more powerful than most other RB's but he has improved in that area and we'll see how much he keeps improving. That's how I feel about our running backs. The guy on IR, and George Holani and the RB on our practice squad are all faster than Charbs and might produce better results except there is no doubt Charbs is our best at pass protection and as a third down back because of that.
Have we any word on Jerrin Reed's injury yesterday? I have it in my head that the harder we must fight, the more injuries we amass. I 'felt' the team began idling back somewhere in the 3rd quarter both to minimize further harm and take advantage of a 2 score buffer. Seems Pete did this also, giving us our close finishes. Trouble is, once idled back, I don't see anyone revving back up. Most likely I am wrong in this. Also, are there stats on counting 3rd downs? How many per game/per drive. The Rams seemed good at getting to First in 2 downs or less. Could A.I. chart an easy answer?
I haven't heard or read anything about Reed's injury. They tested his knee on the field, but I haven't heard boo since then. I assume it's not serious, as Mike MacDonald didn't say anything yesterday in his press conference.....not that he usually talks about injuries that early in the week, but you'd think if it was significant he would have mentioned it.
I've gone through the play logs on ESPN, and I can't find a since first down on 3rd downs. The game book says they were 4/16 on 3rd down, but I don't know how they came up with that. They had a TD on 3rd down, so maybe that counts. I see 8 first-downs on 1st down, and 5 on 2nd down. 0 on 3rd and 0 on 4th down.
Third-down efficiency is definitely something we can improve on.....mostly by staying on schedule on 1st and 2nd down.
Thnx Chris. I'm surprised we aren't hearing about Reed. Considering his very vocal leadership, it's shameful. Also, it seems the number of 3rd downs is a good game measure for any O.C. Adopt a mindset of 5 yard minimums over this 3.5 yards that seems prevalent. 16 third downs has me visualizing us crawling downfield over marching downfield. Never mind succeeding a mere 4 times. Something is off, as 16 implies 16 drives which did not happen. Anyway, the question is out there.
How have you never tried to spin a football before? It's quite satisfying and, as a sports writer, it's an experience you need to have. Homework!
(note: this is not an endorsement for JSN to commit taunting penalties - that was super dumb)
JSN spinning ball was only thing he got called for...he was taunting several times throughout the game. This is not new, I've seen him barking in the faces of beaten defenders, jumping around quickly from one to another staring each beaten defender in the face, looking back and waving at beaten defenders...I love me some confidence, but he's putting himself above the team at times and I can't stand that stuff but dang he's good.
He learned some bad habits from Metcalf.
Rough game. Rough humor. High emotions. It's Football. Nice guys get to exercise their alter ego. I'm good with the Refs riding herd on unbridled passions, (aka Branch in the Lion's game last night) but getting nitpicky hurts the Game. A flag could be tossed on any and all plays. And yeah, Refs can get pissy, too. It's why they stringently police themselves, especially when it affects outcomes. They elevate their allstars to playoff games. The Super Bowl employs only the best of the best (used to have beers with one). Truth is, even their influence I consider a part of the game. Complications- I love them.