As I’ve said before, I have no idea if Milroe will develop into a serviceable QB, because even “can’t miss” players do miss. That said, I still like the pick. He isn’t needed as a starter for the Hawks, has two competent veteran QBs to learn from and an experienced staff to train him. Too many young QBs have been ruined by being rushed and not given a chance to grow. Rodgers, Brady, Love, etc. were not day 1 starters and turned out ok. Maybe Milroe joins them or maybe not, but it’s a good move for the Hawks to take that gamble with a 3rd rounder and not a top 5 pick. If he doesn’t work out then I hope they make a similar pick in a couple of years.
Jalen Milroe may very well turn out to be a very fine quarterback. There is more to playing quarterback than just making.WOW throws. Ask. Drew Lock. I recall a video of Phil Sims., I believe it was After the Seahawks/Philadelphia game, saying and this is pretty much the exact quote”drew Lock has finally learned how to play quarterback”. Drew Lock after a season and a half of starts combined with hard work and dedication looks like. He is finally getting there.. I cannot even imagine the complexities that go into what many people say is most difficult position in sports to learn. The great John Elway lined up over a guard instead of Center in a football game quite embarrassing at the time but you get the idea He made out all right and I’m sure Jason Mill will too, in time.
Just a thought here.. Remember when Darnold looked pretty bad in his final games last year, well his offensive line collapsed , much as Seattle's did for most of the year. Same with Patrick Mahomes in the Super Bowl against Phillly. O-line collapses and he didn't look super at all. Just thinking that a lot depends on that O-line and when it doesn't give the QB a few seconds to make the play work, the QB seems to take most of the blame. Kinda makes Geno look somewhat better for the results he got while under a steady onslaught of rushers and Linebackers.
There is definitely a level of performance an o-line needs to get to for an offense to have any chance at all. Your examples are ones that come to mind for me as well. Bad o-line play (or really good d-line play) is just really hard to overcome. Geno got a lot of time-on-task with bad o-lines, so I think over time he learned to function better than most in that regard.
How lucky was Tom Brady in his career? I don't remember a single season where he was running for his life.
I have no perspective on #92 overall who was a freebie pick from the Geno trade. He has great traits, as did Jayne Mansfield (who—try as she might—never became a good actor). This was a great time to take a shot, and who knows? Milroe might turn out to be good. Chances are that he has too high a hill to climb, but it’s not like Schneider passed on Charles Cross at #9 to draft Malik Willis.
He definitely needs time. But if you're starting with smart, tremendous athlete, great arm, and exemplary work ethic.....then that's not a bad gamble. He needs to have the game slow down a bit, and in time, it will.
He would definitely get poached from the practice squad, so he can't go there. There's too much raw talent there at the most premium position to expect no other team would want to take a chance with him, and way too early to give up on him.
I think him winning the backup QB job next season is a reasonable expectation.
The issue is clearing waivers. Once he is on the practice squad they can designate him as protected. But it’s a distinction without a difference, really. Milroe likely wouldn’t clear waivers.
Uggg...I don't mean to Harp on Riq again, but at roughly 7:55 in the first Qtr against the chiefs...he's not watching the game. It's all about his eyes. I think he's so busy playing 'guard my guy' that he forgets to play football sometimes.
The bummer for me is, I don't even see him as a short yardage gadget player at this stage. Not only is his threat to pass about as threatening as a kitten, but he doesn't hold onto the ball when he runs. A lot of that could be coached. Hell, by me. "Hold it with both arms tight against your body, Jalen."
That's my thought too Chuck. I think it is less likely they use him as a gadget player today than prior to Saturday. He has to earn that right, and ball security is job #1 and he hasn't learned that yet. You can't come in on fourth and 1 and fumble. I'm not down on the young man, but I think he needs time. Luckily, he has time.
One other thought I had. I had wondered whether he'd have a bunch of designed runs against Green Bay, but they didn't seem to show much of that....maybe wanting him to get reps in the pocket. Or maybe they just didn't want any of that on tape ahead of the regular season?
I expect they'd call the offense a lot differently if he was forced to play a regular season game right now. I think they challenged him to play pocket QB for both reasons you point out, and to minimize his risk of injury.
The NFL is not the place to relearn your mechanics and learn fundamental passing reads and route progressions. Some of that actually starts in HS. By giving Milroe a start, the Hawks saved time and learned what they don't have in him... a QB
..Now they can get real and find ways to maximize his athleticism as a Cordel Stewart type "slash". RB/ WR/ KR/ Wild Cat/ emergency QB. The Milroe as Lamar Jackson fantasy ended yesterday. Consequently, they need to sign a proven passer to the practice squad just in worst case!
It will be interesting to see who we cut and who might we might sign.
Milroe now has film on where he needs to build muscle memories the way Coaches want to see them in live time. Yesterday was a very robotic performance where your head interferes with your natural flow. Who knows what will be picked up with these new virtual tools? Muscle memory only comes with repetition and he now has plenty of time for that. If he can do it at home, then even better. We will be impressed the next time we see him. We can also expect the 12s won't be burning up the Coach's phone lines demanding Darnold take a seat. Good for Sam. Good for Peace and Harmony prevailing.
I unfortunately didn’t get to watch the game and doesn’t sound like I missed much. But Jalen Milroe:
Not at all surprised how he played and the only reason is that virtually no one who is a low accuracy college QB learns it as a pro. Josh Allen may be the one exception and Milroe’s physicality could put him in that camp, but Allen was allowed to stumble through 2 full seasons before he got things turned around. Milroe won’t be given that, save two early injuries. Maybe I’m being a naysayer but it was always most likely he’d not make it at QB.
I do definitely hope he makes it, think Schneider drafted him just right, and am pulling for him for sure. Just sayin’….
Milroe reminds me of when the Niners played Trey Lance and you knew we'd win because he obviously wasn't nfl level. The difference is that to my untrained eye it looks like Milroe could (big if) develop in the right situation with the right timeline. Glad they aren't planning to play him any time soon.
Probably not a bad thing that Milroe had a rough game.
Agree with the article. Milroe is a lottery ticket. Just a chance at an uber athletic QB who can figure it out. I see him similarly to Jake Locker. Huge arm, great athlete, top notch worker … but can he throw with touch? Can he read the field? He has the tangibles and some intangibles but can he convert that last little bit.
Probably not but worth the shot, IMO. Wouldn’t know for at least a couple years going into year 3, I would estimate.
That's about the right timeline for him I think. Matt Hasselbeck was in his 4th year before he started for the Seahawks. And even then, took his lumps in 2001-2002 before becoming the Matt we all grew to love. Playing QB is hard. And Milroe wasn't groomed for the NFL game in college, so his development will take time.
I know patience is in short supply with fan bases these days, but it does come in handy at times.
It will likely never happen, but I've always like the idea of a 'minor league' for the NFL, similar to MLB (minor leagues), NBA (G-league), and Hockey (minor league affiliates). NFL owners never wanted to part with their money will likely keep it from happening, but a team affiliated developmental league would be awesome for players like Milroe. Instead of riding the pine for a year or two, let him play in real games.
Some kind of minor league would be cool, as it would also provide greater team control over player development without worry of your favorite projects being poached by other clubs. In return, it would afford more opportunities for these young men to pursue full-time professional careers, with all the benefits that entails. The details of how to incorporate a minor league with a NFL practice squad could be tricky, but I'm certain we could figure it out.
As I’ve said before, I have no idea if Milroe will develop into a serviceable QB, because even “can’t miss” players do miss. That said, I still like the pick. He isn’t needed as a starter for the Hawks, has two competent veteran QBs to learn from and an experienced staff to train him. Too many young QBs have been ruined by being rushed and not given a chance to grow. Rodgers, Brady, Love, etc. were not day 1 starters and turned out ok. Maybe Milroe joins them or maybe not, but it’s a good move for the Hawks to take that gamble with a 3rd rounder and not a top 5 pick. If he doesn’t work out then I hope they make a similar pick in a couple of years.
Jalen Milroe may very well turn out to be a very fine quarterback. There is more to playing quarterback than just making.WOW throws. Ask. Drew Lock. I recall a video of Phil Sims., I believe it was After the Seahawks/Philadelphia game, saying and this is pretty much the exact quote”drew Lock has finally learned how to play quarterback”. Drew Lock after a season and a half of starts combined with hard work and dedication looks like. He is finally getting there.. I cannot even imagine the complexities that go into what many people say is most difficult position in sports to learn. The great John Elway lined up over a guard instead of Center in a football game quite embarrassing at the time but you get the idea He made out all right and I’m sure Jason Mill will too, in time.
I keep asking myself if he’s above the McGough line.
Just a thought here.. Remember when Darnold looked pretty bad in his final games last year, well his offensive line collapsed , much as Seattle's did for most of the year. Same with Patrick Mahomes in the Super Bowl against Phillly. O-line collapses and he didn't look super at all. Just thinking that a lot depends on that O-line and when it doesn't give the QB a few seconds to make the play work, the QB seems to take most of the blame. Kinda makes Geno look somewhat better for the results he got while under a steady onslaught of rushers and Linebackers.
There is definitely a level of performance an o-line needs to get to for an offense to have any chance at all. Your examples are ones that come to mind for me as well. Bad o-line play (or really good d-line play) is just really hard to overcome. Geno got a lot of time-on-task with bad o-lines, so I think over time he learned to function better than most in that regard.
How lucky was Tom Brady in his career? I don't remember a single season where he was running for his life.
Brady did have the quickest release this side of Dan Marino.
Fair point. That didn't hurt.
Not that I like admitting it!
I carrot help but wonder what kind of contract Dalton Risner would ask for?
Maybe JS should pepper his agent with calls to see what kinda of celery he wants to get paid?
I have no perspective on #92 overall who was a freebie pick from the Geno trade. He has great traits, as did Jayne Mansfield (who—try as she might—never became a good actor). This was a great time to take a shot, and who knows? Milroe might turn out to be good. Chances are that he has too high a hill to climb, but it’s not like Schneider passed on Charles Cross at #9 to draft Malik Willis.
He definitely needs time. But if you're starting with smart, tremendous athlete, great arm, and exemplary work ethic.....then that's not a bad gamble. He needs to have the game slow down a bit, and in time, it will.
Well Jayne died way to early.
also, who is that 53rd player that he replaces?
Watching the game, David Kraig came to mind...fumbleitis sprinkled with brilliance.
But what I have been thinking about is the loss of that 53rd player on the roster to cache a developmental player who won't play a snap.
Once he develops into at least a serviceable #2, we won't have that problem.
But how many years do we keep Milroe as a #3?
Who would claim him if he is cut and put on the practice squad?
He would definitely get poached from the practice squad, so he can't go there. There's too much raw talent there at the most premium position to expect no other team would want to take a chance with him, and way too early to give up on him.
I think him winning the backup QB job next season is a reasonable expectation.
The issue is clearing waivers. Once he is on the practice squad they can designate him as protected. But it’s a distinction without a difference, really. Milroe likely wouldn’t clear waivers.
Uggg...I don't mean to Harp on Riq again, but at roughly 7:55 in the first Qtr against the chiefs...he's not watching the game. It's all about his eyes. I think he's so busy playing 'guard my guy' that he forgets to play football sometimes.
The bummer for me is, I don't even see him as a short yardage gadget player at this stage. Not only is his threat to pass about as threatening as a kitten, but he doesn't hold onto the ball when he runs. A lot of that could be coached. Hell, by me. "Hold it with both arms tight against your body, Jalen."
That's my thought too Chuck. I think it is less likely they use him as a gadget player today than prior to Saturday. He has to earn that right, and ball security is job #1 and he hasn't learned that yet. You can't come in on fourth and 1 and fumble. I'm not down on the young man, but I think he needs time. Luckily, he has time.
One other thought I had. I had wondered whether he'd have a bunch of designed runs against Green Bay, but they didn't seem to show much of that....maybe wanting him to get reps in the pocket. Or maybe they just didn't want any of that on tape ahead of the regular season?
I expect they'd call the offense a lot differently if he was forced to play a regular season game right now. I think they challenged him to play pocket QB for both reasons you point out, and to minimize his risk of injury.
The NFL is not the place to relearn your mechanics and learn fundamental passing reads and route progressions. Some of that actually starts in HS. By giving Milroe a start, the Hawks saved time and learned what they don't have in him... a QB
..Now they can get real and find ways to maximize his athleticism as a Cordel Stewart type "slash". RB/ WR/ KR/ Wild Cat/ emergency QB. The Milroe as Lamar Jackson fantasy ended yesterday. Consequently, they need to sign a proven passer to the practice squad just in worst case!
It will be interesting to see who we cut and who might we might sign.
Milroe now has film on where he needs to build muscle memories the way Coaches want to see them in live time. Yesterday was a very robotic performance where your head interferes with your natural flow. Who knows what will be picked up with these new virtual tools? Muscle memory only comes with repetition and he now has plenty of time for that. If he can do it at home, then even better. We will be impressed the next time we see him. We can also expect the 12s won't be burning up the Coach's phone lines demanding Darnold take a seat. Good for Sam. Good for Peace and Harmony prevailing.
Just not ready for PRIMETIME…YET…. Meaning he could be
I unfortunately didn’t get to watch the game and doesn’t sound like I missed much. But Jalen Milroe:
Not at all surprised how he played and the only reason is that virtually no one who is a low accuracy college QB learns it as a pro. Josh Allen may be the one exception and Milroe’s physicality could put him in that camp, but Allen was allowed to stumble through 2 full seasons before he got things turned around. Milroe won’t be given that, save two early injuries. Maybe I’m being a naysayer but it was always most likely he’d not make it at QB.
I do definitely hope he makes it, think Schneider drafted him just right, and am pulling for him for sure. Just sayin’….
Milroe reminds me of when the Niners played Trey Lance and you knew we'd win because he obviously wasn't nfl level. The difference is that to my untrained eye it looks like Milroe could (big if) develop in the right situation with the right timeline. Glad they aren't planning to play him any time soon.
Probably not a bad thing that Milroe had a rough game.
Agree with the article. Milroe is a lottery ticket. Just a chance at an uber athletic QB who can figure it out. I see him similarly to Jake Locker. Huge arm, great athlete, top notch worker … but can he throw with touch? Can he read the field? He has the tangibles and some intangibles but can he convert that last little bit.
Probably not but worth the shot, IMO. Wouldn’t know for at least a couple years going into year 3, I would estimate.
That's about the right timeline for him I think. Matt Hasselbeck was in his 4th year before he started for the Seahawks. And even then, took his lumps in 2001-2002 before becoming the Matt we all grew to love. Playing QB is hard. And Milroe wasn't groomed for the NFL game in college, so his development will take time.
I know patience is in short supply with fan bases these days, but it does come in handy at times.
Completely agree.
The NFL makes it a bit tough taking a roster spot for development. I think the NFL should expand roster sizes.
Still worth it and the team has been very clear this is a developmental player. Which used to be common.
I also do not want to turn into the franchise that auto blames QBs turning the position into a carousel.
Back SD and let him play. Which is what they are doing. Which is good.
It will likely never happen, but I've always like the idea of a 'minor league' for the NFL, similar to MLB (minor leagues), NBA (G-league), and Hockey (minor league affiliates). NFL owners never wanted to part with their money will likely keep it from happening, but a team affiliated developmental league would be awesome for players like Milroe. Instead of riding the pine for a year or two, let him play in real games.
Some kind of minor league would be cool, as it would also provide greater team control over player development without worry of your favorite projects being poached by other clubs. In return, it would afford more opportunities for these young men to pursue full-time professional careers, with all the benefits that entails. The details of how to incorporate a minor league with a NFL practice squad could be tricky, but I'm certain we could figure it out.