PS . Donald may be a great gunslinger. I admit I really haven’t followed his career at all. Sam Donald putting points on the board and making very few mistakes would be great.
The only thing I do know, is that the steady Eddies and not so aggressive, well, that is exactly the season that you will get.
Reply to Isaac B. My bad.Good catch. curious to know what you thought about my remarks about aggressive gun slingers who put points on the board, but in the process screw up on occasion versus close to the vest quarterbacks with great QBR’s, but don’t score a lot of lpoints. I witnessed this first hand when I lived in Denver. they hired a new coach after Drew Lock had a great rookie season 4W’s one loss. many thought that Drew Lock should start.Following year
New coach.He was an older defensive coach who said and I’m paraphrasing here.!” I don’t want to fool around, trying to develop a rookie quarterback”. He did not like Drew Lock was not shy about letting the press
know about it. next year Drew did start Covid hit. The season was a disaster.The aclose to the vest quarterback was brought in .tThe disaster continued the coach and coordinator were fired,and Drew began his journey as a back up and spot starter in football where he is now. he is known for having great arm talent, but erratic., a lot of people improve with their job through steady repetition like Sam Donald . Drew is still waiting for that shot?.
My apologies upfront as it’s been a few years I believe my timeline is accurate but if it’s off well there it is. I do remember this Denver was in a turmoil at the time about Lock pro and con
“Milroe will throw a few passes early in the season so that it is not so obvious when he’s on the field that he’s going to run.” Makes a lot of sense. Keep working on the pass option.
I would have Sam go through the process and get a handful of vanilla plays. The injury exposure is low and the script can reveal as much information or misinformation as the team would like.
Remember how Russ had a very specific routine, including finding a calming target to look at between plays? Give Sam a quick dress rehearsal before Week 1. Practice using the in-helmet communications in a real game scenario with his new OC. And be smart about it.
Well, I have learned one thing after the Seahawks and Raiders game. Gun slingers who output .,points on the board should not throw interceptions or have bad throws. If this was the season 16 points times two equals 32 , combined that with a strong defense, and I believe you will win some games. Lock is a playmaker if Sam Donald is aggressive and can put points on the board and play a pretty flawless game. Well then he is the Seahawks man. Football is a game of calculated risk. My only question is why did Kevin O’Connell release Sam Donald and decide to go with an unproven second year player,
money? Don’t think so.. I am skeptical but hope to be proven wrong.
The Vikings didn't release Darnold. He was on a one year contract with them and his contract expired. They offered to extend him for another year, but he declined, preferring to sign with a team that saw him as a longer term solution. JJ McCarthy isn't just an "unproven second year player", he was the 10th pick in last year's draft, who the Vikings selected to be their QBoTF.
Darnold did an interview a while back about his deal with Seattle and said there that the Vikings offered him the one year extension. I'm not sure who else was interested in signing him, but he said that once the Seahawks traded Geno, landing in Seattle was all but certain given his familiarity with Kubiak and the offensive scheme (Minnesota also runs a very similar offense to Kubiak's).
Somebody help me out here, literally. I read about Milroe "coming in for a few key plays" all over the place, but wouldn't MM have to only dress 47 other guys to get him in for just a few plays? If he's the "emergency" QB and you use him for 1 play, the other 2 guys can't go back in. In these days of high importance of every gameday roster spot for special teams and depth, is MM REALLY gonna work a player short somewhere else that could prove to be pivotal to get Milroe in for a few snaps? It would be different if he played another position of value and came in to take a few wildcat snaps.
Is there really a gameday active slot that would be taken up by someone who might not play at all and whose value is low enough and only contingent on an injury enough to just go without in favor of Milroe?
This may be something that takes shape throughout the season. Perhaps he begins the year as the emergency QB, but things evolve as the season progresses. Maybe he's too good in practice not to have active on game days, because those two or three plays he runs are game changers. Perhaps there are certain teams/matchups where MM and KK really want to feature a read-option offense. I think there will be weeks where that last active roster spot may be more critical than others due to injuries and the need to make game-time decisions. It's an interesting problem to have.
This is the song I have been singing for a while. I don't see Milroe being active on game day. Most likely he will be the Emergency QB, which effectively means no snaps, save catastrophe in the QB room.
I think there are ways to play Darnold and minimize risk. First, does he want to play? If he intensely does, then I think Mike will respect that. Then it's up to Klint to draw up a series or two that minimizes the risk. Heavy run sets, and if Chris Jones is in the game, you might want to scheme him up more than you would for a normal preseason game. I don't want Darnold to turn his back to the line during play action, and then turning around to see Jones barrelling at him.
If Sam isn't fussed about seeing live action, and hearing Klint's voice in his ear in a game setting, then maybe sit him out until Game 1. I'm fine either way, as long as they handle any possessions he gets the right way.
I'm not too worried about revealing any state secrets if they play Sam either. The 9'ers can figure out (like we can) what is fundamentally different in the offence from last year. Klint's play calling will be two scoops of vanilla. So they won't get much that's particularly useful. And, Klint's been working on his call sheet for game 1 for weeks. He'll have a plan for them, but he'll show none of it until then.
Re: Zabel.....after rewatching the game, he's going to be just fine. He and Cross on the left side with Robbie Smash blocking on running plays, that should look pretty good as the season progresses and they gel more and more. Robbie Smash t'ing up Bosa on an outside zone run would be something to savour for days.
If the Seahawks want to play Darnold in the preseason game, like the raiders and Geno, then great. I could see the value in suiting up, stretching, mentally preparing for the game, hearing the OC in the head set and taking a snap.
If the Mike Mac thinks the risk isn’t worth it? Fine with that too.
But either way, in no way what happens in the actual play whether complete or not or this that and the other matters.
Totally agree, Darnolds test will come in week 1 vs the Niners at home. That will be intense
Eh….a good portion of the Kasen Williams preseason live was because he was a local kid who was then a Husky, and former Huskies always get disproportionate love in Seattle.
I don’t recall Pete Carroll talking about Willams making standout plays every day like McDonald has about Horton.
And regarding the game, anyone else notice the Raiders were being called for the same BS penalties the Hawks were called for when Carroll was the coach. It seemed like a result of sloppy coaching back then and this kinda reinforces it.
I thought that the refs were were overly calling penalties on the Raiders, also, particularly in the first half. Seems like it may have something to do with the head coach not installing enough discipline with his players.
I disagree. If Sam is gonna be QB1 then he should get reps in preseason if he wants them. I’d want reps if I were in his shoes. If he doesn’t want reps then he will probably fail this season anyway.
While I agree with some of your logic, I still think live reps are crucial for ironing out details. I can't explain why, but I'm not worried about injuries, they are always apart of the game and come at any,and seemingly all the, time. I think it's kinda chicken to take that route. I could see hiding our strategy and overall think two series or so won't be enough Intel to tip our cap much if at all. I'm fine with whatever they choose, but as a fan I would love to see them play a little. Just a little bit, little bump, I got a get me a fix...come on.
I am of the mindset that pre-season can only create more questions if you play the starters. Use this to evaluate future talent and serviceable backups. Don't risk injuries in a game that does not matter.
I really don't know why, but I came away from the pre & post-draft era thinking Grey Zable was over hyped and overdrafted, but I've totally changed my mind. We'll know more in a couple of months, but he looked like the real deal last night.
Bobo and Horton are completely different receivers. Bobo is mostly a short yardage possession guy and Horton is a speed, deep threat guy. Keep both. I didn't see anything from the others to change my mind. I think the last receiver will be who ever wins the returner job. Any coach that plays his starters, especially his QB,
in an exhibition game is an idiot! Play Milroe. He can use the reps.
Use the pre- season to find the back ups and ST guys.
In my opinion, yes. Bobo was a nice player coming out of UCLA. Colorado State’s offense ran through Tory Horton and defenses knew it. He still had 96 catches for 1100+ yards (back to back seasons of 1100+). He was injured last year and didn’t play much, hence his draft fall. He was also a dynamic punt returner. His numbers at the collegiate level dwarf Bobo’s. Maybe I am drinking the Flavor Aid again, but I’m all in.
There is a bit of speed difference there too. MVS gets cut. Horton will be #3 and Bobo 4, with a bunch fighting for 5th. Extra and QB needed so I see maybe only 5 WRs if Horton can be the returner as well.
My follow up question would be: what’s the chance Horton is not 2.Bobo and something more like Puka Nacua? Is there enough of a pedigree to think he could rise above that WR3 ceiling and ball out?
I don't think Bobo and Horton are comparable. Bobo impacts the game in ways that don't often end up on the boxscore (blocking, special teams, pulling coverage, rubbing off DB's, etc). Horton will get his catches and YAC, and should show up on the boxscore more. Both valuable, just in different ways. Bobo has one way to beat you offensively. Horton has multiple ways.
Chance? Sure! But my expectation is that he's "good." Nacua is one of the 10-15 best receivers in the NFL. That would be beyond even my lofty expectations.
PS . Donald may be a great gunslinger. I admit I really haven’t followed his career at all. Sam Donald putting points on the board and making very few mistakes would be great.
The only thing I do know, is that the steady Eddies and not so aggressive, well, that is exactly the season that you will get.
Reply to Isaac B. My bad.Good catch. curious to know what you thought about my remarks about aggressive gun slingers who put points on the board, but in the process screw up on occasion versus close to the vest quarterbacks with great QBR’s, but don’t score a lot of lpoints. I witnessed this first hand when I lived in Denver. they hired a new coach after Drew Lock had a great rookie season 4W’s one loss. many thought that Drew Lock should start.Following year
New coach.He was an older defensive coach who said and I’m paraphrasing here.!” I don’t want to fool around, trying to develop a rookie quarterback”. He did not like Drew Lock was not shy about letting the press
know about it. next year Drew did start Covid hit. The season was a disaster.The aclose to the vest quarterback was brought in .tThe disaster continued the coach and coordinator were fired,and Drew began his journey as a back up and spot starter in football where he is now. he is known for having great arm talent, but erratic., a lot of people improve with their job through steady repetition like Sam Donald . Drew is still waiting for that shot?.
My apologies upfront as it’s been a few years I believe my timeline is accurate but if it’s off well there it is. I do remember this Denver was in a turmoil at the time about Lock pro and con
.
“Milroe will throw a few passes early in the season so that it is not so obvious when he’s on the field that he’s going to run.” Makes a lot of sense. Keep working on the pass option.
I would have Sam go through the process and get a handful of vanilla plays. The injury exposure is low and the script can reveal as much information or misinformation as the team would like.
Remember how Russ had a very specific routine, including finding a calming target to look at between plays? Give Sam a quick dress rehearsal before Week 1. Practice using the in-helmet communications in a real game scenario with his new OC. And be smart about it.
Well, I have learned one thing after the Seahawks and Raiders game. Gun slingers who output .,points on the board should not throw interceptions or have bad throws. If this was the season 16 points times two equals 32 , combined that with a strong defense, and I believe you will win some games. Lock is a playmaker if Sam Donald is aggressive and can put points on the board and play a pretty flawless game. Well then he is the Seahawks man. Football is a game of calculated risk. My only question is why did Kevin O’Connell release Sam Donald and decide to go with an unproven second year player,
money? Don’t think so.. I am skeptical but hope to be proven wrong.
The Vikings didn't release Darnold. He was on a one year contract with them and his contract expired. They offered to extend him for another year, but he declined, preferring to sign with a team that saw him as a longer term solution. JJ McCarthy isn't just an "unproven second year player", he was the 10th pick in last year's draft, who the Vikings selected to be their QBoTF.
Thanks, Issac. Also didn't know that the Vikings "didn't just let Darnold walk".
That Does make a difference that he chose the Seahawks over the Vikings and other teams.
Darnold did an interview a while back about his deal with Seattle and said there that the Vikings offered him the one year extension. I'm not sure who else was interested in signing him, but he said that once the Seahawks traded Geno, landing in Seattle was all but certain given his familiarity with Kubiak and the offensive scheme (Minnesota also runs a very similar offense to Kubiak's).
Somebody help me out here, literally. I read about Milroe "coming in for a few key plays" all over the place, but wouldn't MM have to only dress 47 other guys to get him in for just a few plays? If he's the "emergency" QB and you use him for 1 play, the other 2 guys can't go back in. In these days of high importance of every gameday roster spot for special teams and depth, is MM REALLY gonna work a player short somewhere else that could prove to be pivotal to get Milroe in for a few snaps? It would be different if he played another position of value and came in to take a few wildcat snaps.
Is there really a gameday active slot that would be taken up by someone who might not play at all and whose value is low enough and only contingent on an injury enough to just go without in favor of Milroe?
This may be something that takes shape throughout the season. Perhaps he begins the year as the emergency QB, but things evolve as the season progresses. Maybe he's too good in practice not to have active on game days, because those two or three plays he runs are game changers. Perhaps there are certain teams/matchups where MM and KK really want to feature a read-option offense. I think there will be weeks where that last active roster spot may be more critical than others due to injuries and the need to make game-time decisions. It's an interesting problem to have.
This is the song I have been singing for a while. I don't see Milroe being active on game day. Most likely he will be the Emergency QB, which effectively means no snaps, save catastrophe in the QB room.
And, as Mike Duggar pointed out, do they really have time to practice the Milroe package?
I think there are ways to play Darnold and minimize risk. First, does he want to play? If he intensely does, then I think Mike will respect that. Then it's up to Klint to draw up a series or two that minimizes the risk. Heavy run sets, and if Chris Jones is in the game, you might want to scheme him up more than you would for a normal preseason game. I don't want Darnold to turn his back to the line during play action, and then turning around to see Jones barrelling at him.
If Sam isn't fussed about seeing live action, and hearing Klint's voice in his ear in a game setting, then maybe sit him out until Game 1. I'm fine either way, as long as they handle any possessions he gets the right way.
I'm not too worried about revealing any state secrets if they play Sam either. The 9'ers can figure out (like we can) what is fundamentally different in the offence from last year. Klint's play calling will be two scoops of vanilla. So they won't get much that's particularly useful. And, Klint's been working on his call sheet for game 1 for weeks. He'll have a plan for them, but he'll show none of it until then.
Re: Zabel.....after rewatching the game, he's going to be just fine. He and Cross on the left side with Robbie Smash blocking on running plays, that should look pretty good as the season progresses and they gel more and more. Robbie Smash t'ing up Bosa on an outside zone run would be something to savour for days.
If the Seahawks want to play Darnold in the preseason game, like the raiders and Geno, then great. I could see the value in suiting up, stretching, mentally preparing for the game, hearing the OC in the head set and taking a snap.
If the Mike Mac thinks the risk isn’t worth it? Fine with that too.
But either way, in no way what happens in the actual play whether complete or not or this that and the other matters.
Totally agree, Darnolds test will come in week 1 vs the Niners at home. That will be intense
Eh….a good portion of the Kasen Williams preseason live was because he was a local kid who was then a Husky, and former Huskies always get disproportionate love in Seattle.
I don’t recall Pete Carroll talking about Willams making standout plays every day like McDonald has about Horton.
But we’ll find out in a month or so.
And regarding the game, anyone else notice the Raiders were being called for the same BS penalties the Hawks were called for when Carroll was the coach. It seemed like a result of sloppy coaching back then and this kinda reinforces it.
I thought that the refs were were overly calling penalties on the Raiders, also, particularly in the first half. Seems like it may have something to do with the head coach not installing enough discipline with his players.
I disagree. If Sam is gonna be QB1 then he should get reps in preseason if he wants them. I’d want reps if I were in his shoes. If he doesn’t want reps then he will probably fail this season anyway.
Come on now, he's not going to fail. Be positive.
While I agree with some of your logic, I still think live reps are crucial for ironing out details. I can't explain why, but I'm not worried about injuries, they are always apart of the game and come at any,and seemingly all the, time. I think it's kinda chicken to take that route. I could see hiding our strategy and overall think two series or so won't be enough Intel to tip our cap much if at all. I'm fine with whatever they choose, but as a fan I would love to see them play a little. Just a little bit, little bump, I got a get me a fix...come on.
I am of the mindset that pre-season can only create more questions if you play the starters. Use this to evaluate future talent and serviceable backups. Don't risk injuries in a game that does not matter.
I really don't know why, but I came away from the pre & post-draft era thinking Grey Zable was over hyped and overdrafted, but I've totally changed my mind. We'll know more in a couple of months, but he looked like the real deal last night.
Bobo and Horton are completely different receivers. Bobo is mostly a short yardage possession guy and Horton is a speed, deep threat guy. Keep both. I didn't see anything from the others to change my mind. I think the last receiver will be who ever wins the returner job. Any coach that plays his starters, especially his QB,
in an exhibition game is an idiot! Play Milroe. He can use the reps.
Use the pre- season to find the back ups and ST guys.
What happens to Jake Bobo if Tory Horton is legit?
Is Tory Horton just Bobo 2.0 (or 2.Bobo if you will)?
Is there any more reason to be excited about Horton than there was to be excited about Bobo a couple years ago-bo?
In my opinion, yes. Bobo was a nice player coming out of UCLA. Colorado State’s offense ran through Tory Horton and defenses knew it. He still had 96 catches for 1100+ yards (back to back seasons of 1100+). He was injured last year and didn’t play much, hence his draft fall. He was also a dynamic punt returner. His numbers at the collegiate level dwarf Bobo’s. Maybe I am drinking the Flavor Aid again, but I’m all in.
There is a bit of speed difference there too. MVS gets cut. Horton will be #3 and Bobo 4, with a bunch fighting for 5th. Extra and QB needed so I see maybe only 5 WRs if Horton can be the returner as well.
This. Horton was the best player on that team and its leader.
My follow up question would be: what’s the chance Horton is not 2.Bobo and something more like Puka Nacua? Is there enough of a pedigree to think he could rise above that WR3 ceiling and ball out?
I don't think Bobo and Horton are comparable. Bobo impacts the game in ways that don't often end up on the boxscore (blocking, special teams, pulling coverage, rubbing off DB's, etc). Horton will get his catches and YAC, and should show up on the boxscore more. Both valuable, just in different ways. Bobo has one way to beat you offensively. Horton has multiple ways.
Chance? Sure! But my expectation is that he's "good." Nacua is one of the 10-15 best receivers in the NFL. That would be beyond even my lofty expectations.
Useful context!
My line of thinking was exactly the same. And if Horton’s first 2 years are similar to Bobo’s, that wouldn’t be bad!