A bit off topic, and a topic I know nothing about. We need a new kicker. Meyers time, just like Sea Bass, is up. How does the 2022 K draft crop look? Are there any respectable FA Ks floating around the NFL (I ask this since nobody ever seems to talk about kickers. A posistion that is counted on to CONSISTENTLY and RELIABLY score points). The last thing we would need is to bring in another Blair Walsh. Thus, I ask about the draft for kickers. Any comments that could share some light on my limited knowledge base on this subject?
1. The salary doesn't require the kinds of decisions that cut into future cap space;
2. We pay (and lose) no draft picks; and
3. Lock gets a fair chance to compete and win the starting job. We've sometimes seen Pete give the nod to a veteran simply because what to expect was more predictable even though the ceiling was lower.
Another well reasoned good read. I would be fine with Jimmy G if he won the competition to start over Drew Lock. One thing lost on many is Carroll wants a mobile quarterback. To quote the Rolling Stones " You can't always get what you want." Jimmy would be good but I suggest we are two real runningbacks short, with Carson still on the team. Travis Homer is a good player but not a 150 carry back. DJ Dallas is a good kick returner and teams player but not a great runninback. Victoria Chris
I'm curious. Do the number of comments increase exponentially in relation to the distaste of the subject matter? So...is Jimmy G > than Goff? I'm beginning to think we just roll with Drew Lock and see where we are. There just doesn't seem to any right choices out there to make. We're going to pay for whatever we do from here on out.
What? First Goff and now Garoppolo! I don't care if it makes sense or if we'd win 7 games instead of 4 with one of these guys over Lock, Siemian, Wolford, late-round-rookie, etc. I just can't make myself root for a mediocre (at best) QB that I've spent the last several years hoping would fail. It's too much for my brain to handle. Take all your sound logic and reasoning, throw it in the dumpster, and pull me out a garbage QB I can get behind.
It's a fair question Grant. Would these moves increase Seahawks from 4 wins to 7 wins? No, haha. Jimmy Garoppolo and Jared Goff don't do much, if anything, to give Seattle a better chance to win next season. What they do is double Pete Carroll's odds from Drew Lock to make sure that the Seahawks don't get stuck with AJ McCarron starting 12 games. Look at how bad the bad QB offenses always are, it completely stunts the development of every player around the QB. What the Seahawks need is a player who doesn't stunt the development or drive out players like DK Metcalf and Dee Eskridge because he's completely incompetent. What I'm doing is connecting dots to what Pete Carroll has always preferred, not peddling "upgrades" which is what a lot of other people are doing with these other unrealistic targets like Matt Ryan and Deshaun Watson that make no sense for where the Seahawks are at on the franchise timeline (not contending) and what Pete Carroll likes to do on offense. You won't find any reports on Seaside Joe this year that will ever suggest that the Seahawks just got "3 wins better" at the QB position. That is not happening. These moves do suck. They're just what I would project over the silly unrealistic possibilities that others are selling.
Fair enough. I would certainly prefer a QB that keeps our young stars interested in competing and driven to improve. None of us want to watch DK loose his mind week after week on the sideline. If Garoppolo is our best way to double our odds in that regard then so be it. But I'll definitely be rooting for Lock to win that QB1 competition.
Not against it for 1 year. Jimmy G is not very good, but he's not terrible and seems like a great team player. Also, 2021 Wilson didn't look that much better than him...
OK, I'll buy into this. He brings most of what I commented on yesterday. It would be nice if he could run a bit better but he certainly would have the experience to mentor next year and is a capable backup
That about sums it up. Hard to be happy about the idea of Jimmy G, but to borrow from the language of Coach Pete, Kenneth, "How do you get so many frickin' things right so much of the time?" I was kinda hoping Mariota might drop our way, but now that ship has sailed. I'd put Goff or even Foles ahead of Garoppolo, but I'm still kinda holding out hope for Gardner Minshew II though I know you pointed out that the Eagles are not motivated to trade him....Sigh...
A bit off topic, and a topic I know nothing about. We need a new kicker. Meyers time, just like Sea Bass, is up. How does the 2022 K draft crop look? Are there any respectable FA Ks floating around the NFL (I ask this since nobody ever seems to talk about kickers. A posistion that is counted on to CONSISTENTLY and RELIABLY score points). The last thing we would need is to bring in another Blair Walsh. Thus, I ask about the draft for kickers. Any comments that could share some light on my limited knowledge base on this subject?
Ken, I want to hate you but instead I love you for this take. Jimmy G and Pete Carroll are a match made in purgatory.
I'd be ok with this if:
1. The salary doesn't require the kinds of decisions that cut into future cap space;
2. We pay (and lose) no draft picks; and
3. Lock gets a fair chance to compete and win the starting job. We've sometimes seen Pete give the nod to a veteran simply because what to expect was more predictable even though the ceiling was lower.
Jimmy's not a horrible QB. Merely mediocre.
Another well reasoned good read. I would be fine with Jimmy G if he won the competition to start over Drew Lock. One thing lost on many is Carroll wants a mobile quarterback. To quote the Rolling Stones " You can't always get what you want." Jimmy would be good but I suggest we are two real runningbacks short, with Carson still on the team. Travis Homer is a good player but not a 150 carry back. DJ Dallas is a good kick returner and teams player but not a great runninback. Victoria Chris
I'm curious. Do the number of comments increase exponentially in relation to the distaste of the subject matter? So...is Jimmy G > than Goff? I'm beginning to think we just roll with Drew Lock and see where we are. There just doesn't seem to any right choices out there to make. We're going to pay for whatever we do from here on out.
I'd be stoked with Drew Lock
What? First Goff and now Garoppolo! I don't care if it makes sense or if we'd win 7 games instead of 4 with one of these guys over Lock, Siemian, Wolford, late-round-rookie, etc. I just can't make myself root for a mediocre (at best) QB that I've spent the last several years hoping would fail. It's too much for my brain to handle. Take all your sound logic and reasoning, throw it in the dumpster, and pull me out a garbage QB I can get behind.
It's a fair question Grant. Would these moves increase Seahawks from 4 wins to 7 wins? No, haha. Jimmy Garoppolo and Jared Goff don't do much, if anything, to give Seattle a better chance to win next season. What they do is double Pete Carroll's odds from Drew Lock to make sure that the Seahawks don't get stuck with AJ McCarron starting 12 games. Look at how bad the bad QB offenses always are, it completely stunts the development of every player around the QB. What the Seahawks need is a player who doesn't stunt the development or drive out players like DK Metcalf and Dee Eskridge because he's completely incompetent. What I'm doing is connecting dots to what Pete Carroll has always preferred, not peddling "upgrades" which is what a lot of other people are doing with these other unrealistic targets like Matt Ryan and Deshaun Watson that make no sense for where the Seahawks are at on the franchise timeline (not contending) and what Pete Carroll likes to do on offense. You won't find any reports on Seaside Joe this year that will ever suggest that the Seahawks just got "3 wins better" at the QB position. That is not happening. These moves do suck. They're just what I would project over the silly unrealistic possibilities that others are selling.
Fair enough. I would certainly prefer a QB that keeps our young stars interested in competing and driven to improve. None of us want to watch DK loose his mind week after week on the sideline. If Garoppolo is our best way to double our odds in that regard then so be it. But I'll definitely be rooting for Lock to win that QB1 competition.
Not against it for 1 year. Jimmy G is not very good, but he's not terrible and seems like a great team player. Also, 2021 Wilson didn't look that much better than him...
Fair points, Bertrand!
It would be worth it for Jimmy G to beat the 9ers twice a year, again.
I'm struggling to understand the connection between Fantasy Football and the Seahawks trading for Matt Ryan.
For reference, depending on league scoring settings, Matt Ryan finished roughly 19th among QBs last year, rendering him irrelevant in most leagues.
BTW -- Jimmy G. had a better year fantasy year, finish roughly 16th among QBs.
Haha. Was not meant to be so literal, but good to know!
OK, I'll buy into this. He brings most of what I commented on yesterday. It would be nice if he could run a bit better but he certainly would have the experience to mentor next year and is a capable backup
Makes sense, but a show-me contract of less $ + incentives would help the Hawks. Still like Lock for now.
doen't make me happy but make sense, maybe a smile for two games
That about sums it up. Hard to be happy about the idea of Jimmy G, but to borrow from the language of Coach Pete, Kenneth, "How do you get so many frickin' things right so much of the time?" I was kinda hoping Mariota might drop our way, but now that ship has sailed. I'd put Goff or even Foles ahead of Garoppolo, but I'm still kinda holding out hope for Gardner Minshew II though I know you pointed out that the Eagles are not motivated to trade him....Sigh...