Judging those intangible character traits is an under appreciated quality as anyone being mentioned as a draft pick has unbelievable physical skills. PC/JS guessed wrong with Malik McDowell, many questioned his work ethic, but no one expected an atv accident to derail his career before it started. I truly believe that last year they used that lesson when they selected Spoon at #5, they loved his attitude.
In a team full of talented folks it’s often the one that won’t quit that prevails even if they aren’t the most physically gifted. Doug Baldwin is a great example of that quality. His “angry Doug” persona elevated his game beyond his mere physical skills and kept him constantly improving. Sports is full of examples like him as well as supremely gifted players who didn’t quite reach their potential due to not quite having that undefinable something. If you can combine the skill and attitude you get Michael Jordan.
Since wear and tear on the physical body is inevitable in pro sports the mental toughness can be the difference maker between ok careers and great ones.
We haven't heard a lot from Mike Mac since he was hired, so piecing together what he's all about is difficult to do. But after I read about what he said at the coaches clinic the other day, I'm starting to think that he is not going to emulate either the Seahawk or Raven way. He's got something else in mind. He wants football junkies. He wants selfless players. He wants players that will do whatever it takes, regardless of how tired they are, or how difficult it is. He wants players tough enough to go to war, and resilient enough to win it.
Yes, the 'smart, tough, reliable' is a subset of that, but I don't think that really covers the traits and characteristics that will make up what he wants in new Seahawks. We'll start to get a glimpse of it Thursday through Saturday, and perhaps even more so when roster cuts are made in August. He's already watching guys working out, in the weight room, on the field, in the classroom. He's sizing them up. If they don't attack their training like it means everything to them, how can he expect them to win on the field consistently. You can 'chase edges' in the weight room, just like you can scheme them on the field.
If Darrell Taylor isn't willing to use his God given ability to set a hard edge in run support, or chase a play down from behind.......I don't think he will be on the roster in September. Your teammates are depending on you......don't let them down, or you can't be here.
“If Darrell Taylor isn't willing to use his God given ability to set a hard edge in run support…”
Taylor may not have a God-given ability to set such an edge. He may not be able to read a play quickly enough or shift his balance. It’s entirely possible that to be good at a few things and not be good at others, even at this level.
I tried that 1st one, but it had too much randomness. If it shakes out the way mine did, I will be super happy with Rome Odunze falling to me at 16, and then Jeremiah Trotter Jr at 81. The trade offers I got were good, but I just couldn't pass up BPA that I view as having a chance to be a generational type player.... like I said, too random. It had Bears picking Harrison Jr #1 overall... wow.
I've been watching WOF long enough that the final round didn't give you R-S-T-L-N-E way back when. I solved a puzzle that was two five letter words and the category was Person. The letters they chose were S-T-N-L-D and vowel A. They got no letters. And they didn't get it. But I did.
I guess I'll accpet the Ravens championing the character of their players by giving them a pass on Ray Lewis because he was already there when Harbaugh got there, it happened in college, and he wasn't charged. But, if I remember correctly, he refused to give info on a murder he was eyewitness to. Not being judgy, just reminding us that there is an asterisk.
Okay, now all the speculation gets closer to reality and Seaside Joseph (who unbelievably creates these detailed missives daily) is now getting down to the bone. They are going to try to trade down, probably more than once, and get players Mike McDonald can work with. Mostly defense, but I'm sure there will be a surprise or two. I hope we get a glimpse or more at the live Hawks draftroom. Could be fun, especially if someone interesting falls to 16.
Maybe what they were talking about in regards to Ravens' wings was that they can fly upside down. Somehow, they can continue to flap their wings and fly level. It is quite startling to see it at first. I believe that is a unique trait of Ravens. But they cannot fly from a standing start. They need to use their legs to move forward and get a running start to get off the ground. Unlike crows which can easily jump into the air and begin flying.
I cannot speak to a Ravens good character, passion or courage, but I can attest to those qualities in crows. Minus the courage, come to think of it. They are naturally suspicious of everything, but especially open boxes. However, crows demonstrate a clear division of labor where the males are always the risk taker. Females hang back and wait for the males to make sure there are not any traps or danger.
I love the Raven “look For’s” as you draft and the analysis of Kool-Aid.. There has got to be a minimum criteria we look for as we look to bring players “in.” And that criteria has to be used in getting players “out.”
When I picked the Ravens in our office survivor pool last year, I did so by quoting Poe to our league commissioner. He had no idea what I was talking about. I realized that he was 10+ years younger than me and did not grow up learning life lessons (and literature) from The Simpsons.
I am wondering how those stats about Baltimore picks/players coming from late first, and then third/fourth rounds corresponds to yesterday's column suggesting that there was a significant drop-off in player quality after the first 100 (memory, could be 150?) picks? And that colleges were less and less adept at producing NFL-ready players? Does that argue the Ravens' way is, perhaps, already out of date? (Not advocating for anything here. Just following the logic where it seems to go.)
Something else to add to that, because I should have wrote it yesterday and I didn't due to not really remembering until today, is that the NIL program in college has definitely robbed the draft of juice on day 3/UDFA. Those players could literally make more money by staying in school than risking the draft and being 6th round picks. So I don't really know when that comes into play as a benefit to day 3 picks/UDFAs or not, but I've read that it is a cause for this drop-off on day three. The draft has been so weird in the last 4 years since the pandemic with the NIL, the transfer portal, the 2020 opt outs, and the extra year of eligibility.
So I guess as pondering the impact of the transfer portal when I get as reading your post where you mentioned the lack of player development in the college ranks.
I see the two as tied together closely. Coaches are continually “recruiting” and it’s not incoming freshman. Current coach thinks you need more development before increasing your playing time? Hit the portal instead of buckling down.
Want to keep alumni happy and keep your multimillion dollar coaching salary? Stop focusing on development and see who you can snag from another team.
Yeah this is a very simplistic take, but I think there’s an impact.
That's my concern: how do we come to rate a Draft @ weak or strong prior to the event? How many of the 98% of the non-draft college players don't play at prior levels of intensity, opting to save their knees and shoulders for a long career in business? How much better will the top 50 in the Draft really be after playing guys who seldom bring their A Game? Are coaches still seriously concerned with developing all round Character and education among their players or just focused on a kid helping them get a solid win/loss record? I read that Harbaugh had already decided not to return to college coaching due to all these changes. Why?
Judging those intangible character traits is an under appreciated quality as anyone being mentioned as a draft pick has unbelievable physical skills. PC/JS guessed wrong with Malik McDowell, many questioned his work ethic, but no one expected an atv accident to derail his career before it started. I truly believe that last year they used that lesson when they selected Spoon at #5, they loved his attitude.
In a team full of talented folks it’s often the one that won’t quit that prevails even if they aren’t the most physically gifted. Doug Baldwin is a great example of that quality. His “angry Doug” persona elevated his game beyond his mere physical skills and kept him constantly improving. Sports is full of examples like him as well as supremely gifted players who didn’t quite reach their potential due to not quite having that undefinable something. If you can combine the skill and attitude you get Michael Jordan.
Since wear and tear on the physical body is inevitable in pro sports the mental toughness can be the difference maker between ok careers and great ones.
To be fair, Baldwin’s footwork off the line was nearly unequaled. Without that, I’m not sure how far Angry Doug would have gone.
We haven't heard a lot from Mike Mac since he was hired, so piecing together what he's all about is difficult to do. But after I read about what he said at the coaches clinic the other day, I'm starting to think that he is not going to emulate either the Seahawk or Raven way. He's got something else in mind. He wants football junkies. He wants selfless players. He wants players that will do whatever it takes, regardless of how tired they are, or how difficult it is. He wants players tough enough to go to war, and resilient enough to win it.
Yes, the 'smart, tough, reliable' is a subset of that, but I don't think that really covers the traits and characteristics that will make up what he wants in new Seahawks. We'll start to get a glimpse of it Thursday through Saturday, and perhaps even more so when roster cuts are made in August. He's already watching guys working out, in the weight room, on the field, in the classroom. He's sizing them up. If they don't attack their training like it means everything to them, how can he expect them to win on the field consistently. You can 'chase edges' in the weight room, just like you can scheme them on the field.
If Darrell Taylor isn't willing to use his God given ability to set a hard edge in run support, or chase a play down from behind.......I don't think he will be on the roster in September. Your teammates are depending on you......don't let them down, or you can't be here.
Thank goodness tomorrow is Thursday.
“If Darrell Taylor isn't willing to use his God given ability to set a hard edge in run support…”
Taylor may not have a God-given ability to set such an edge. He may not be able to read a play quickly enough or shift his balance. It’s entirely possible that to be good at a few things and not be good at others, even at this level.
Total sidebar...if one were to hypothetically stick and pick at every current selection for Seattle, which draft simulator gives you your favorite results? Assuming only free sims like https://www.nfldraftbuzz.com/simulator, https://www.nflmockdraftdatabase.com/mock-draft-simulator, https://www.profootballnetwork.com/mockdraft, https://www.sportskeeda.com/nfl/mock-draft-simulator, https://fanspeak.com/ontheclock-nfl-mock-draft-simulator/, or many others?? I am curious which one or ones people prefer because I know my favorites...but I have my favorite prospects and target them at certain picks so I am curious. Another great article...keep up the good work Kenneth!
I thought maybe PFN would be the most reputable source... homepage had a big banner reading "powered by #1 draft analyst Tony Pauline"
I burned my phone in disgust
I tried that 1st one, but it had too much randomness. If it shakes out the way mine did, I will be super happy with Rome Odunze falling to me at 16, and then Jeremiah Trotter Jr at 81. The trade offers I got were good, but I just couldn't pass up BPA that I view as having a chance to be a generational type player.... like I said, too random. It had Bears picking Harrison Jr #1 overall... wow.
I've been watching WOF long enough that the final round didn't give you R-S-T-L-N-E way back when. I solved a puzzle that was two five letter words and the category was Person. The letters they chose were S-T-N-L-D and vowel A. They got no letters. And they didn't get it. But I did.
I guess I'll accpet the Ravens championing the character of their players by giving them a pass on Ray Lewis because he was already there when Harbaugh got there, it happened in college, and he wasn't charged. But, if I remember correctly, he refused to give info on a murder he was eyewitness to. Not being judgy, just reminding us that there is an asterisk.
Never more! Never more! Never more!
https://youtu.be/bLiXjaPqSyY?si=uWbD-l8cxmL8IiBE
Morgan Freeman is the modern voiceover champ, but James Earl Jones might be the greatest ever.... followed closely by Vincent Price.
I once saw JEJ *recite* The Star Spangled Banner* at Fenway Park! Here he is in his movie debut:
https://youtu.be/rK_NqewPOLQ?si=6WEutdNXKbEUDknH
Just remember folks, drafts are " like a box of chocolates, you never know what you're going to get!!!
Okay, now all the speculation gets closer to reality and Seaside Joseph (who unbelievably creates these detailed missives daily) is now getting down to the bone. They are going to try to trade down, probably more than once, and get players Mike McDonald can work with. Mostly defense, but I'm sure there will be a surprise or two. I hope we get a glimpse or more at the live Hawks draftroom. Could be fun, especially if someone interesting falls to 16.
Passion, Good Character, Courage.
Maybe what they were talking about in regards to Ravens' wings was that they can fly upside down. Somehow, they can continue to flap their wings and fly level. It is quite startling to see it at first. I believe that is a unique trait of Ravens. But they cannot fly from a standing start. They need to use their legs to move forward and get a running start to get off the ground. Unlike crows which can easily jump into the air and begin flying.
I cannot speak to a Ravens good character, passion or courage, but I can attest to those qualities in crows. Minus the courage, come to think of it. They are naturally suspicious of everything, but especially open boxes. However, crows demonstrate a clear division of labor where the males are always the risk taker. Females hang back and wait for the males to make sure there are not any traps or danger.
The Raven philosophy has transcended everything else… Except for some less than average AFC Championship games by Lamar.. They are a dynasty
I love the Raven “look For’s” as you draft and the analysis of Kool-Aid.. There has got to be a minimum criteria we look for as we look to bring players “in.” And that criteria has to be used in getting players “out.”
I'd like to buy a vowel... an "o" please.
When I picked the Ravens in our office survivor pool last year, I did so by quoting Poe to our league commissioner. He had no idea what I was talking about. I realized that he was 10+ years younger than me and did not grow up learning life lessons (and literature) from The Simpsons.
Can't wait to see what happens at the draft. I am expecting JS to surprise some people with a trade UP at some point to grab a guy.
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I am wondering how those stats about Baltimore picks/players coming from late first, and then third/fourth rounds corresponds to yesterday's column suggesting that there was a significant drop-off in player quality after the first 100 (memory, could be 150?) picks? And that colleges were less and less adept at producing NFL-ready players? Does that argue the Ravens' way is, perhaps, already out of date? (Not advocating for anything here. Just following the logic where it seems to go.)
Something else to add to that, because I should have wrote it yesterday and I didn't due to not really remembering until today, is that the NIL program in college has definitely robbed the draft of juice on day 3/UDFA. Those players could literally make more money by staying in school than risking the draft and being 6th round picks. So I don't really know when that comes into play as a benefit to day 3 picks/UDFAs or not, but I've read that it is a cause for this drop-off on day three. The draft has been so weird in the last 4 years since the pandemic with the NIL, the transfer portal, the 2020 opt outs, and the extra year of eligibility.
So I guess as pondering the impact of the transfer portal when I get as reading your post where you mentioned the lack of player development in the college ranks.
I see the two as tied together closely. Coaches are continually “recruiting” and it’s not incoming freshman. Current coach thinks you need more development before increasing your playing time? Hit the portal instead of buckling down.
Want to keep alumni happy and keep your multimillion dollar coaching salary? Stop focusing on development and see who you can snag from another team.
Yeah this is a very simplistic take, but I think there’s an impact.
That's my concern: how do we come to rate a Draft @ weak or strong prior to the event? How many of the 98% of the non-draft college players don't play at prior levels of intensity, opting to save their knees and shoulders for a long career in business? How much better will the top 50 in the Draft really be after playing guys who seldom bring their A Game? Are coaches still seriously concerned with developing all round Character and education among their players or just focused on a kid helping them get a solid win/loss record? I read that Harbaugh had already decided not to return to college coaching due to all these changes. Why?