It seems that on the eve of the 2023 NFL Draft, Rob Staton of SeahawksDraftBlog has finally decided to turncoat and agree with the majority that Jalen Carter is a better prospect than Anthony Richardson. There you have it. In Staton’s final mock draft before Thursday
I get that, but my point is that Rob is saying what HE thinks these players should rate in the draft. He isn't changing his mind about his judgments now. He's just saying that with his ear to the ground it appears other teams may not agree with him. If he truly were saying "I watch a lot of tape, and my judgments are superior to many who run NFL teams," he might be right from time to time, but he also might be wrong at least as many times. And in any event the proof of the pudding in this realm is ultimately on-field performance, not draft position.
Like any blogger, I presume, he gets tired of the expression of uninformed opinion, and he has a fairly unpleasant way of dealing with it when the mood strikes him. But whatever, it's his blog. If he wants to cull it, in effect, so most contributors don't piss him off, that's his prerogative. Your methods are friendlier, probably because you start out that way, and also probably because you care about growing your blog audience with a focus he may not share.
I like both blogs, for different reasons. It needn't be an either/or proposition, or a game of one-upmanship.
What is up with Levis going to the Colts at #4 in every single mock draft you'll see now? I don't understand why he is so perfect for Indianapolis, but Stroud and Richardson are not. I get that he's more ready to start right away than Richardson, but what's wrong with Stroud? Couldn't you also imagine them picking Witherspoon or Gonzalez? Whatever, we'll see in a few more hours.
All the mock drafts have made me aware of the top prospects and I can appreciate the difficult challenges that each team faces, but, once a team makes their choice I wish the various commentators would try to understand why it’s a great pick for the teams. At that point I wouldn’t give 2 shits about how it agrees or disagrees with somebody’s mock draft. For me the Hawks production on defense last season was awful and I’d like them to draft defense/ defense with their first to picks, however, if they go offense/ offense, I’m ALL IN!
Drafting a second (or third) round QB - based on where they are at now - with the 5th over all pick because he runs fast and throws it far is not my cup of tea either. If we pick Richardson with the 20th, or even the 37th pick, it would be a bit disappointing. I still would Much prefer getting a player that will get us to what I believe is a Superbowl contending year in 2024.
Top shelf O-lines get teams closer, Top shelf D-lines get teams even more so. Top shelf playmakers for certain are needed. Fill the roster's holes before taking a luxury pick.
Kansas City was already good enough and their luxury pick worked Great for them. Green Bay was a recent two-time Superbowl contestant with a Championship trophy...sure, take Aaron Rodgers - at the 24th pick. Mahomes was at #10. Pretty bold but they were a complete team already.
The issue I have with top of the draft QBs is they go too soon to bad teams that are desperate. They are forced to play too soon, and mostly suck as the result. Then those same teams give a king's ransom to get a well-seasoned, but past their prime QB.
The Seattle Seahawks have done this right once before. It worked to perfection until calling for a pass from the 1-yard line. It was good for two Superbowl appearances that time. I trust that it will again.
The culmination of the 2024 Season will have lots of Action Green in the Superdome stands. Provided we continue to create, and capitalize on our opportunities.
Looking forward to your mock. The last three months, you have made me think and helped informed my opinions.
As the draft begins. I go back to the thoughts I had watching the Seahawks down the stretch. It is really hard to win when 1) the interior defensive line is getting blocked on every play; and 2) the offense has to claw its way down the field because it just was not able to generate a consistent running game or much after the catch. Hopefully the selections tonight move the Seahawks forward in changing those things. Because when they do - the Seahawks will again not just be a playoff team they will be a contender. Let the season of hope begin.
Looking forward to your mock. The last three months, you have made me think and helped informed my opinions.
As the draft begins. I go back to the thoughts I had watching the Seahawks down the stretch. It is really hard to win when 1) the interior defensive line is getting blocked on every play; and 2) the offense has to claw its way down the field because it just was not able to generate a consistent running game or much after the catch. Hopefully the selections tonight move the Seahawks forward in changing those things. Because when they do - the Seahawks will again not just be a playoff team they will be a contender. Let the season of hope begin.
If one is in the business of draft prognostication, then prognosticate one must. I don't tend to think in terms of people getting their egos wrapped up in being right, though human insecurities being what they are, of course people do. Just part and parcel of the human condition. Try as we might to be independent, we're not. In tribal societies the surest way to die was to go it alone, so of course everyone feels vulnerable and insecure. Of course everyone wants to feel vindicated and to lead.
Fortunately these things tend to blow over. We've seen Station's propensity to ban people who disagree so he's placed his insecurities on display. Still, I'm hopeful that when the dust settles there are no hard feelings. After all, we all root for the same team. And Kenneth and Rob are in the same gig.
If Dan Marino played today, he’d complete 75% of his passes and might never get sacked. He got the ball out faster than any QB I’ve ever seen—in comparison, Tom Brady looked like he was throwing underwater. BION, his draft status fell because of rumors that he smoked pot. In a radio interview a few years back, Joe Montana wouldn’t say that Brady was the GOAT because of Marino.
I just don't want us to be boring! We were boring from 2017-2021 and yes we made the playoffs a lot, but we were never really threatening for the big kielbasa. We have #5 by luck as a luxury. Swing for the fences, do something exciting at #5 - which is either Carter or Richardson. The closer we get to tonight the more i want that swing to be Richardson :o I like Carter a lot, but we can get a nice centre piece to the DLine elsewhere in this draft, I really can't see a QB with quite the potential this year (or in next years class, AR is just that much of a unicorn).
Then take #20 and be boring. Trade it down for a '24 1st/2nd and pick a nice DLine piece in Mazi Smith/Ade Ade/McDonald/Van Ness. Just please, don't be boring with the gift that is #5! I'd rather end up being 0-17 for the next five years having at least put it all on the line, rather than feeling safe at 8-9/9-8 on repeat. It's fine to be a 'Hawks fan, a Vikings fan, a Titans fan. I'd rather be the Bengals fan, the Rams fan, even the 49ers fan, taking the hardship for the best times.
Ahhhh, i'm just so f*cking excited for this draft. Awesome for the 'Hawks. Awesome for the NFL with it being so open and unknown. AAAAHHHHHH!!!!!
I think that's stretching it a bit. I think your buddy (and the love is palpable) is saying that HE would not under any circumstance draft Carter as high as the 5th pick, but he is conceding that SOME teams, or at least specifically Detroit at #6, could. Separately, I think he is also saying that he would be happy drafting AR at #5, but the word on the NFL street is that AR might also be available at 20, so why not get some extra picks by trading down and still have a decent chance to get AR at 20?
That's a fair distance from saying that Rob now concedes that Carter is a better prospect than AR. Instead, he's saying only that while HE does not believe that to be the case at all (and that the Hawks are likely to agree with him, given Carter's perceived lack of fire in the belly or whatever), at least some other teams sound like they might.
As far as who ends up being "right," the only "right" that really matters will be decided on the field, over the next few seasons. The rest is just draft-style rosterbation. If Carter is drafted high and craters as a NFL player, for example, that's a very strange "win" for anybody who insisted he was worth a high pick, and the very same thing is true of Richardson..
Seahawks Draft Eve: AR...20???
I get that, but my point is that Rob is saying what HE thinks these players should rate in the draft. He isn't changing his mind about his judgments now. He's just saying that with his ear to the ground it appears other teams may not agree with him. If he truly were saying "I watch a lot of tape, and my judgments are superior to many who run NFL teams," he might be right from time to time, but he also might be wrong at least as many times. And in any event the proof of the pudding in this realm is ultimately on-field performance, not draft position.
Like any blogger, I presume, he gets tired of the expression of uninformed opinion, and he has a fairly unpleasant way of dealing with it when the mood strikes him. But whatever, it's his blog. If he wants to cull it, in effect, so most contributors don't piss him off, that's his prerogative. Your methods are friendlier, probably because you start out that way, and also probably because you care about growing your blog audience with a focus he may not share.
I like both blogs, for different reasons. It needn't be an either/or proposition, or a game of one-upmanship.
ok, my prediction. First, no trades.
First pick, CB Devon
Second, best WR/TE available
Third, Center
Forth, DL
Bank it. LOL.
What is up with Levis going to the Colts at #4 in every single mock draft you'll see now? I don't understand why he is so perfect for Indianapolis, but Stroud and Richardson are not. I get that he's more ready to start right away than Richardson, but what's wrong with Stroud? Couldn't you also imagine them picking Witherspoon or Gonzalez? Whatever, we'll see in a few more hours.
Evan Silva, Daniel Jeremiah, AND Peter Schrager all have Seahawks going Carter at #5 and AR at #20.
I find that very interesting...
All the mock drafts have made me aware of the top prospects and I can appreciate the difficult challenges that each team faces, but, once a team makes their choice I wish the various commentators would try to understand why it’s a great pick for the teams. At that point I wouldn’t give 2 shits about how it agrees or disagrees with somebody’s mock draft. For me the Hawks production on defense last season was awful and I’d like them to draft defense/ defense with their first to picks, however, if they go offense/ offense, I’m ALL IN!
Goal - Superbowl Champions 2024 season.
Drafting a second (or third) round QB - based on where they are at now - with the 5th over all pick because he runs fast and throws it far is not my cup of tea either. If we pick Richardson with the 20th, or even the 37th pick, it would be a bit disappointing. I still would Much prefer getting a player that will get us to what I believe is a Superbowl contending year in 2024.
Top shelf O-lines get teams closer, Top shelf D-lines get teams even more so. Top shelf playmakers for certain are needed. Fill the roster's holes before taking a luxury pick.
Kansas City was already good enough and their luxury pick worked Great for them. Green Bay was a recent two-time Superbowl contestant with a Championship trophy...sure, take Aaron Rodgers - at the 24th pick. Mahomes was at #10. Pretty bold but they were a complete team already.
The issue I have with top of the draft QBs is they go too soon to bad teams that are desperate. They are forced to play too soon, and mostly suck as the result. Then those same teams give a king's ransom to get a well-seasoned, but past their prime QB.
The Seattle Seahawks have done this right once before. It worked to perfection until calling for a pass from the 1-yard line. It was good for two Superbowl appearances that time. I trust that it will again.
The culmination of the 2024 Season will have lots of Action Green in the Superdome stands. Provided we continue to create, and capitalize on our opportunities.
"6.198 - “A Boy Named Sue” and “Player of Games” were the two clues.
Answer: LB Bumper Pool, Arkansas"
Yeah, announcers usually do chuckle as they say Bumper Pool's name when they start a broadcast .
He Does have game. Whoo, PIGS!
Kenneth,
Looking forward to your mock. The last three months, you have made me think and helped informed my opinions.
As the draft begins. I go back to the thoughts I had watching the Seahawks down the stretch. It is really hard to win when 1) the interior defensive line is getting blocked on every play; and 2) the offense has to claw its way down the field because it just was not able to generate a consistent running game or much after the catch. Hopefully the selections tonight move the Seahawks forward in changing those things. Because when they do - the Seahawks will again not just be a playoff team they will be a contender. Let the season of hope begin.
Kenneth,
Looking forward to your mock. The last three months, you have made me think and helped informed my opinions.
As the draft begins. I go back to the thoughts I had watching the Seahawks down the stretch. It is really hard to win when 1) the interior defensive line is getting blocked on every play; and 2) the offense has to claw its way down the field because it just was not able to generate a consistent running game or much after the catch. Hopefully the selections tonight move the Seahawks forward in changing those things. Because when they do - the Seahawks will again not just be a playoff team they will be a contender. Let the season of hope begin.
If one is in the business of draft prognostication, then prognosticate one must. I don't tend to think in terms of people getting their egos wrapped up in being right, though human insecurities being what they are, of course people do. Just part and parcel of the human condition. Try as we might to be independent, we're not. In tribal societies the surest way to die was to go it alone, so of course everyone feels vulnerable and insecure. Of course everyone wants to feel vindicated and to lead.
Fortunately these things tend to blow over. We've seen Station's propensity to ban people who disagree so he's placed his insecurities on display. Still, I'm hopeful that when the dust settles there are no hard feelings. After all, we all root for the same team. And Kenneth and Rob are in the same gig.
To me Stanton’s mock came across as his fantasy for the Seahawks.
If Dan Marino played today, he’d complete 75% of his passes and might never get sacked. He got the ball out faster than any QB I’ve ever seen—in comparison, Tom Brady looked like he was throwing underwater. BION, his draft status fell because of rumors that he smoked pot. In a radio interview a few years back, Joe Montana wouldn’t say that Brady was the GOAT because of Marino.
I just don't want us to be boring! We were boring from 2017-2021 and yes we made the playoffs a lot, but we were never really threatening for the big kielbasa. We have #5 by luck as a luxury. Swing for the fences, do something exciting at #5 - which is either Carter or Richardson. The closer we get to tonight the more i want that swing to be Richardson :o I like Carter a lot, but we can get a nice centre piece to the DLine elsewhere in this draft, I really can't see a QB with quite the potential this year (or in next years class, AR is just that much of a unicorn).
Then take #20 and be boring. Trade it down for a '24 1st/2nd and pick a nice DLine piece in Mazi Smith/Ade Ade/McDonald/Van Ness. Just please, don't be boring with the gift that is #5! I'd rather end up being 0-17 for the next five years having at least put it all on the line, rather than feeling safe at 8-9/9-8 on repeat. It's fine to be a 'Hawks fan, a Vikings fan, a Titans fan. I'd rather be the Bengals fan, the Rams fan, even the 49ers fan, taking the hardship for the best times.
Ahhhh, i'm just so f*cking excited for this draft. Awesome for the 'Hawks. Awesome for the NFL with it being so open and unknown. AAAAHHHHHH!!!!!
I think that's stretching it a bit. I think your buddy (and the love is palpable) is saying that HE would not under any circumstance draft Carter as high as the 5th pick, but he is conceding that SOME teams, or at least specifically Detroit at #6, could. Separately, I think he is also saying that he would be happy drafting AR at #5, but the word on the NFL street is that AR might also be available at 20, so why not get some extra picks by trading down and still have a decent chance to get AR at 20?
That's a fair distance from saying that Rob now concedes that Carter is a better prospect than AR. Instead, he's saying only that while HE does not believe that to be the case at all (and that the Hawks are likely to agree with him, given Carter's perceived lack of fire in the belly or whatever), at least some other teams sound like they might.
As far as who ends up being "right," the only "right" that really matters will be decided on the field, over the next few seasons. The rest is just draft-style rosterbation. If Carter is drafted high and craters as a NFL player, for example, that's a very strange "win" for anybody who insisted he was worth a high pick, and the very same thing is true of Richardson..